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Dear reader,

 

I am writing this as I'm not sure how to search for the information specifically due to mixing up terminology probably.

 

The main question is this:

- Do different brands for GPUs (MSI, Asus, etc) create different PCB architecture for the same GPU or do they specifically modify the cooling solution (Plastic shroud with fan/s + cooler)?

 

Please, do not hesitate to correct me on any level.

 

Thank you in advance for any input!

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The only thing they really have in common is the GPU DIE. Everything else - be it PCB or cooler design - is up to the brand. There are a few models that follow Nvidia's reference design (in terms of PCB layout), but even these typically have a different cooler.

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Reference designs are provided by AMD/Nvidia as a baseline. A lot of companies use and slightly modify the reference design - for example, my GPU is in the reference GTX 980 shroud but clocks a little higher. Otherwise, its PCB, components, and cooler are the exact same as the reference design.

It's easy to see on a site like TechPowerUp that shows designs of lots of GPUs that are all the "same" (eg. RTX 3070) to see which are custom boards.

Just to use an example, by just seeing this card

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I can tell it's not a reference design because its display outputs are not standard. Just look for small things like that. 

Non reference boards can give you things like better overclocking from better power delivery, etc but the Nvidia design is just fine, nothing wrong with it

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5 minutes ago, Turtler said:

The reason why I even ask the question initially was because I was thinking of a scenario of changing the shroud/cooler of a GPU with another brands. Would that hypothetically work?

This is most commonly done by removing the air cooler and adding a waterblock. (the relevant waterblock must be purchased for your specific card, unless it is Reference board design and size).

Taking one custom air cooled card's cooler and adding it to another custom air cooled card's PCB is very unlikely to work due to where things like VRMs are positioned that require adaptation of the cooling plate/plates to contact with it.

 

You can buy generic air coolers/shrouds to fit any GPU but the fitment is more in depth and sometimes adhesive is used I do not recommend doing this, instead I recommend to choose the card that has the cooler/shroud that you have researched to perform well.

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3 minutes ago, Turtler said:

The reason why I even ask the question initially was because I was thinking of a scenario of changing the shroud/cooler of a GPU with another brands. Would that hypothetically work?

Depending on the model of card, NZXT makes an AIO cooler kit for several popular GPU's, I installed one on my 2080ti. 

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5 minutes ago, Turtler said:

Palit GTX 1060 6Gb StormX

 

If this makes any difference

https://nzxt.com/product/kraken-g12

 

You'll have to buy/use a compatible AIO cooler with this, read the specs and make sure your card is supported.  

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It... depends.

Some do, some don't. Some have some models with custom PCBs, and some with the reference design by the OEM (AMD/NVidia/Intel).

 

52 minutes ago, Turtler said:

The reason why I even ask the question initially was because I was thinking of a scenario of changing the shroud/cooler of a GPU with another brands. Would that hypothetically work?

That is absolutely possible and brands like NZXT make products for that niche! https://nzxt.com/product/kraken-g12

 

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