RAM Upgrade

[AzowiX]

The system:

R5 2600

8GB RAM

A320M-S2H

 

I searching for RAM upgrade.. you have some recommendation? Because I heard that is AMD Gen2 so needed some compatible memory that works fine with this mobo 

16GB is the minimum today or 32GB is recommended here? 

Thanks.

 

 

[heli1337]

5 minutes ago, AzowiX said:

16GB is the minimum today or 32GB is recommended here? 

 

 

 

Everything depends on the usage of the PC, what it will be used for?

[An0maly_76]

Not sure if you're on a tight budget, but Amazon has Crucial Ballistix DDR3200 2x16 for $113 right now.

[Duxa]

26 minutes ago, AzowiX said:

The system:

R5 2600

8GB RAM

A320M-S2H

 

I searching for RAM upgrade.. you have some recommendation? Because I heard that is AMD Gen2 so needed some compatible memory that works fine with this mobo 

16GB is the minimum today or 32GB is recommended here? 

Thanks.

 

 

I think that 2x8Gb 3200Mhz is enough for ryzen 5 2600 because i dont think you are going to get much better performance with 32gb ram unless you get better ryzen CPU

[OddOod]

If you are a heavy user and have the spare 40$, I'd recommend 32 just because for even for heavy chrome users it brings you to the point where you stop needing to worry about ram basically at all. If you are on a tight budget, grab whatever you can to get you to 16.
RAM is dirt cheap right now and pretty much anything from a reputable producer will work and work well

[AzowiX]

48 minutes ago, Helly Benchmarking said:

Everything depends on the usage of the PC, what it will be used for?

 

30 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

Not sure if you're on a tight budget, but Amazon has Crucial Ballistix DDR3200 2x16 for $113 right now.

 

10 minutes ago, OddOod said:

If you are a heavy user and have the spare 40$, I'd recommend 32 just because for even for heavy chrome users it brings you to the point where you stop needing to worry about ram basically at all. If you are on a tight budget, grab whatever you can to get you to 16.
RAM is dirt cheap right now and pretty much anything from a reputable producer will work and work well

 

Not heavy user.. basically for gaming.. but right now 8GB is pretty awful lol

Anyway have a chance that is will be better to sell this combo and buy something new?  

Maybe I have a plan also to buy a new PSU because right now that is basic one and maybe not safety for this system at all

 

[night4552020]

I have same gen Ryzen (2700) with 32 gig. But that all comes to a little rule I follow for myself with PC building.

 

There is never a "future-proof" computer. But I always 4X everything I can. My old rig had 8 gigs several years ago back when it was unheard of to have that much. So, I upgraded to the current system, I took 8X4=32 gigs. And in a few short years 32 will be the required minimum, much like how 16 is the bare minimum for now.

 

Plus I like having all the RAM slots occupied in a PC. Otherwise it's under it's full potential (for capacity that is, not speed)

[OddOod]

11 minutes ago, AzowiX said:

sell this combo

Maybe. But at this point you can grab a 3600 for not much and see a big performance bump (update bios first!) and flip the old chip, then grab 2x16GB 3000MT RAM and you'll be set for a while. When AM5 comes out there will be great deals on B450 boards with 5600X and you can harvest your RAM and likely donate old board and flip the 3600. 
Depends on how much shucking and jiving you're willing to do.
 

[OddOod]

10 minutes ago, night4552020 said:

And in a few short years 32 will be the required minimum

TBH, 32GB might carry us through the end of the x86 era. RISCV is catching up 

[AzowiX]

7 minutes ago, OddOod said:

Maybe. But at this point you can grab a 3600 for not much and see a big performance bump (update bios first!) and flip the old chip, then grab 2x16GB 3000MT RAM and you'll be set for a while. When AM5 comes out there will be great deals on B450 boards with 5600X and you can harvest your RAM and likely donate old board and flip the 3600. 
Depends on how much shucking and jiving you're willing to do.
 

 

Also this system included the RX 570 GPU

That is pretty good for today I think? 

I think that is will be better to replace this mobo because that is A320M and I heard they are problematic with RAM upgrades and need to find some "special ram" that  support it fine with XMP enabled.

 

[An0maly_76]

"Gaming" is a very loosely thrown around term these days. CyberPower called a GT1030 on a B450M board with an R7-1700 and 8GB RAM a "gaming" computer. And lots of people on a budget try to get around getting components that are actually built for gaming. Doesn't work when you're playing games that need more horsepower.

 

Today, for anyone who wants to play something other than BeamNG.drive or Forza on more than basic settings (I prefer AMD to Intel) I would recommend the following minimum setup:

 

Ryzen 3600 / 5600X, B550 board or better

16GB RAM

M.2 primary storage

750W PSU

RTX2060 or better

 

For serious gaming, if you want performance, I would recommend the following:

 

Ryzen 3800X / 5800X or better, B550 board or better

32GB RAM

M.2 primary storage

850W PSU

RTX3060ti or better

 

This is my build... Totaled around $2600ish at the time.

 

Budget builds can be done for a bit less (I have a few saved for others that were posted to their threads), but there will be compromises.

Edited March 23, 2022 by An0maly_76
Revised, more info

[AzowiX]

10 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

"Gaming" is a very loosely thrown around term these days. CyberPower called a GT1030 on a B450M board with an R7-1700 and 8GB RAM a "gaming" computer. And lots of people on a budget try to get around getting components that are actually built for gaming. Doesn't work when you're playing games that need more horsepower.

 

Today, for anyone who wants to play something other than BeamNG.drive or Forza on more than basic settings (I prefer AMD to Intel) I would recommend the following minimum setup:

 

Ryzen 3600 / 5600X, B550 board or better

16GB RAM

M.2 primary storage

750W PSU

RTX2060 or better

 

For serious gaming, if you want performance, I would recommend the following:

 

Ryzen 3800X / 5800X or better, B550 board or better

32GB RAM

M.2 primary storage

850W PSU

RTX3060ti or better

 

This is my build... Totaled around $2600ish at the time.

 

Budget builds can be done for a bit less (I have a few saved for others that were posted to their threads), but there will be compromises.

 

Yeah wanna to play with new games but not must on the highest settings at all.

How much this system worthy this day if I will sell it? R5 2600 + 8GB RAM + A320M-S2H

[heli1337]

11 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

Today, for anyone who wants to play something other than BeamNG.drive or Forza on more than basic settings (I prefer AMD to Intel) I would recommend the following minimum setup:

 

Ryzen 3600 / 5600X, B550 board or better

16GB RAM

M.2 primary storage

750W PSU

RTX2060 or better

 

 

What about 1080's and 1070Ti?

What about 1660 Super?

 

They are still good GPU's that can hold good and provide nearly same performance as a RTX 2060

[An0maly_76]

1 hour ago, Helly Benchmarking said:

What about 1080's and 1070Ti?

What about 1660 Super?

 

They are still good GPU's that can hold good and provide nearly same performance as a RTX 2060

Let me tell you a story so you might understand my thought process.

 

My previous rig, a prebuilt, came with the R7-1700 on an MSI B450M board with 8GB RAM and a GT1030. Cheap Chinese 500W PSU. A hot mess of horribly mismatched components touted as a "gaming" PC, and like playing Jenga when it came to upgrades, as I soon found out. Not knowing then what I know now, I chose a GTX1650S -- an Asus OC edition with 4GB, even. The 1700, a processor that debuted in 2017 (about the same time the 1070/1080 showed up), LAUGHED at this thing -- you could practically hear it chanting the popular Ludacris tune "Move, B**CH, get out the way, get out the way, b**ch, get out the way". While it was way better than the GT1030 the system came with, all my sources indicate the 1650 was designed for four-core processors. Yes, the 1660S is better than a 1650S, but a 2060 is still a good 30-40% faster than either.

 

That being said, are the cards you mention junk? Not in the slightest, that's not what I'm saying here. But try finding any one of these available. Believe me, I looked and found a very overpriced 1080ti FE at $900.00 -- It hardly makes sense when I bought a new open box RTX3060ti for $850 a month ago, and they're down to $750 now. And with all of the cards you mentioned being at least 4 years old, there is always the potential pitfall of driver support being dropped. Who wants to pay new retail for a card that isn't new, with the potential of drivers being unavailable?

Edited March 24, 2022 by An0maly_76
Revised

[An0maly_76]

1 hour ago, AzowiX said:

Yeah wanna to play with new games but not must on the highest settings at all.

How much this system worthy this day if I will sell it? R5 2600 + 8GB RAM + A320M-S2H

I haven't seen where you mentioned your graphics card, but if you're not a stickler for highest detail, your 2600 could do the job with more RAM, I think, depending on the GPU. Your current system isn't quite obsolete yet. But the 2600 is hardly future-proof, and ASRock told me the same thing about their boards that MSI told me about theirs, that any available BIOS updates could potentially fry older boards.

 

I can certainly put together a list of recommendations for a new build if you give me some idea of what your budget would be. For that matter, I have some budget build component lists compiled for others I have advised that might fit the bill for you if you're ready to build a new one.

 

Looking at the specs, the 2600, while great for its time, is only somewhat comparable to the 1700 (currently overpriced at $800 retail new), which is only 18% faster and still behind the likes of the 3800X and 3900X.

 

Considering I just built a brand-new 5900X with an RTX3060ti for around $2600, I figure my previous 1700 rig might be worth around $1000-$1200, even with the upgraded GTX1650S GPU, 32GB RAM and M.2 storage I added.

 

You can buy a new 2600 for $190 on Amazon right now, so maybe a bit less at $600-$800?

Edited March 24, 2022 by An0maly_76
Revised

[AzowiX]

21 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

I haven't seen where you mentioned your graphics card, but if you're not a stickler for highest detail, your 2600 could do the job with more RAM, I think, depending on the GPU. Your current system isn't quite obsolete yet. But the 2600 is hardly future-proof, and ASRock told me the same thing about their boards that MSI told me about theirs, that any available BIOS updates could potentially fry older boards.

 

I can certainly put together a list of recommendations for a new build if you give me some idea of what your budget would be. For that matter, I have some budget build component lists compiled for others I have advised that might fit the bill for you if you're ready to build a new one.

 

Looking at the specs, the 2600, while great for its time, is only somewhat comparable to the 1700 (currently overpriced at $800 retail new), which is only 18% faster and still behind the likes of the 3800X and 3900X.

 

Considering I just built a brand-new 5900X with an RTX3060ti for around $2600, I figure my previous 1700 rig might be worth around $1000-$1200, even with the upgraded GTX1650S GPU, 32GB RAM and M.2 storage I added.

 

You can buy a new 2600 for $190 on Amazon right now, so maybe a bit less at $600-$800?

The GPU is RX570

Are you sure that the Ballistix 32GB on Amazon will run fine with this mobo and a Ryzen 2600 CPU without problems? 

 

[An0maly_76]

24 minutes ago, AzowiX said:

The GPU is RX570

Are you sure that the Ballistix 32GB on Amazon will run fine with this mobo and a Ryzen 2600 CPU without problems? 

 

After seeing THIS.... (Sorry, somehow my browser skipped over it before), no, I can't state with any certainty. I had similar problems upgrading RAM / GPU / storage on the MSI B450M in my previous rig -- the reason I went new build this last time.

 

Here is a list of A320M-compatible RAM kits I found (known compatibility, others may be compatible but are not tested)

 

From what I read about the A320M and its supported RAM choices, I think you might be better off to move on and build better. Your options for upgrades seem to be quite limited here. What might be your budget for such an undertaking?

  

2 hours ago, AzowiX said:

Also this system included the RX 570 GPU

That is pretty good for today I think? 

I think that is will be better to replace this mobo because that is A320M and I heard they are problematic with RAM upgrades and need to find some "special ram" that  support it fine with XMP enabled.

It's not so much "special" RAM that is needed, it is that it may or may not support anything beyond 2666 Mhz, and 3200 is quickly becoming the standard. But yes, you're right about replacing the board, because that will give you more options for RAM upgrades. And that upgrade could give you options for CPU upgrade later, such as a nice new 5600X or 5800X+.

Edited March 24, 2022 by An0maly_76
Revised, more info

[AzowiX]

2 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

After seeing THIS.... (Sorry, somehow my browser skipped over it before), no, I can't state with any certainty. I had similar problems upgrading RAM / GPU / storage on the MSI B450M in my previous rig -- the reason I went new build this last time. From what I read about the A320M and its supported RAM choices, I think you might be better off to move on and build better. Your options for upgrades seem to be quite limited here. What might be your budget for such an undertaking?

  

It's not so much "special" RAM that is needed, it is that it may or may not support anything beyond 2666 Mhz, and 3200 is quickly becoming the standard.

 

The budget for the whole upgrade is maybe  300-400$ but maybe I will also upgrade GPU .. I dont know right now 

And also new PSU is needed here so... be reminded that the highest settings on games is not very important

Maybe that is will be better to sell them all or something...

 

[An0maly_76]

12 minutes ago, AzowiX said:

The budget for the whole upgrade is maybe  300-400$ but maybe I will also upgrade GPU .. I dont know right now 

And also new PSU is needed here so... be reminded that the highest settings on games is not very important

Maybe that is will be better to sell them all or something...

 

Maybe not. Have a look at this... New Asus TUF B550M-Plus Micro-ATX AM4 board (what I used in my 5900X build) with VRM cooling to facilitate future Zen3 upgrade, and the DDR4-3200 kit I mentioned, for $255. I revised it to add Corsair's XTM150 thermal paste, as you'll need new thermal paste for your CPU / cooler package.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/An0maly1976/saved/#view=6XMC8d

Edited March 24, 2022 by An0maly_76
Revised, more info

[AzowiX]

5 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

 

Maybe not. Have a look at this... New Micro-ATX board with VRM cooling to facilitate future Zen3 upgrade, and the DDR4-3200 kit I mentioned, for $255. I revised it to add Corsair's XTM150 thermal paste, as you'll need new thermal paste for your CPU / cooler package.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/An0maly1976/saved/#view=6XMC8d

Not live in the USA so... some fees with customs will be added to the price unfortunately.

What about the GPU? still good you think?

 

[An0maly_76]

2 minutes ago, AzowiX said:

Not live in the USA so... some fees with customs will be added to the price unfortunately.

What about the GPU? still good you think?

 

If you're not wanting high detail settings, it can do the job for awhile yet. What country do you live in?

[AzowiX]

5 hours ago, An0maly_76 said:

After seeing THIS.... (Sorry, somehow my browser skipped over it before), no, I can't state with any certainty. I had similar problems upgrading RAM / GPU / storage on the MSI B450M in my previous rig -- the reason I went new build this last time.

 

Here is a list of A320M-compatible RAM kits I found (known compatibility, others may be compatible but are not tested)

 

From what I read about the A320M and its supported RAM choices, I think you might be better off to move on and build better. Your options for upgrades seem to be quite limited here. What might be your budget for such an undertaking?

  

It's not so much "special" RAM that is needed, it is that it may or may not support anything beyond 2666 Mhz, and 3200 is quickly becoming the standard. But yes, you're right about replacing the board, because that will give you more options for RAM upgrades. And that upgrade could give you options for CPU upgrade later, such as a nice new 5600X or 5800X+.

 

I live in Israel.

You can tell me which issues you have with your previous B450M mobo? I think B450 chipset is decent and doesnt have this issues?

Which RAM and storage problem you has and why? Because maybe I will wanna to buy new storage now.

 

[An0maly_76]

3 minutes ago, AzowiX said:

 

I live in Israel.

You can tell me which issues you have with your previous B450M mobo? I think B450 chipset is decent and doesnt have this issues?

Which RAM and storage problem you has and why? Because maybe I will wanna to buy new storage now.

 

 

To be fair, I was upgrading RAM, storage and GPU simultaneously. However, the basic problem was that it refused to boot with the new GPU, giving a VGA POST error. Reinstall the original, and it booted fine. Install drivers and software for the new GPU using the original, power down, reinstall the new one, same thing -- VGA POST error. It continued to do so until it finally shut down completely and required an RMA back to MSI that took 35-45 days. It worked fine with the new GPU after that. They never did tell me what happened.

 

Then when I decided to upgrade to the 5900X (after checking their website to ensure the board supported it), MSI support springs on me that the BIOS update necessary for Zen3 support could fry my board. Possibly because it was an older one, but that doesn't matter to me. At that point, I was reluctant to risk destroying a perfectly good processor over a janky board and and sketchy BIOS update. I had planned on reusing my case and some other components, but the case really didn't have sufficient cooling capacity for the 5900X, and the PSU didn't really have enough power for an RTX3000-series, either, so I just did a new build -- without MSI components, and I'd never recommend them to anyone else.