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[CasoF13]

is a deepcool gamaxx l240 v2 good anough for a 10900k cooling allcore oc to 5gz ? and does somebody know if the pump speed is controlable with this ? (z490 board) and what are the differences between the gamaxx and castle ex besides the rgb stuff ? want to use this with an 10900k and mx5 thermalpaste. plan to use this as a exhaust top rad in a meshify 2 compact

[Kaaverik]

Given the 10900k stock TDP is 125w:

 

According to each of their website spec pages, the Deepcool Gammax is rated up to 165w of cooling and the Castle EX does not have a rating. I would assume them to be very similar in performance. https://www.deepcool.com/product/LiquidCooler/2019-04/209_10832.shtml

 

It does not appear that the pump speed is controllable on the Deepcool Gammax. The PWM only applies to the fans as far as their website tells me.

 

Tomshardware ran some benchmarks for the 10900k's stock configuration: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-10900k-cpu-review/2

 

"While Intel designed its 250W limit to keep thermals 'manageable' with a wide variety of cooling solutions, most motherboard vendors feed the chip up to ~330W of power at stock settings, leading to hideous power consumption metrics during AVX stress tests. Feeding 330W to a stock processor on a mainstream motherboard is a bit nuts, but it enables higher all-core frequencies for longer durations, provided the motherboard and power supply can feed the chip enough current, and your cooler can extract enough heat. 

 

To find the power limit associated with our chip paired with the Gigabyte Aorus Z490 Master motherboard, we ran a few Prime95 tests with AVX enabled (small FFT). During those tests, we recorded up to 332W of power consumption when paired with either the Corsair H115i 280mm AIO watercooler or a Noctua NH-D15S air cooler. Yes, that's with the processor configured at stock settings. For perspective, our 18-core Core i9-10980XE drew 'only' 256W during an identical Prime95 test."

 

The benchmarks in the article show that some of the 240mm AIOs are reaching the Tjunction max temperature of 100C. (See the first Temperature graph for the Corsair H115i 280mm AIO)

 

While it might be possible to OC to 5ghz, it would not be advisable if the system is going to be stressed excessively. The CPU will thermal throttle and might even shut down if the cooler can't keep up. But, it is not impossible.

 

[CasoF13]

1 hour ago, Kaaverik said:

Given the 10900k stock TDP is 125w:

 

According to each of their website spec pages, the Deepcool Gammax is rated up to 165w of cooling and the Castle EX does not have a rating. I would assume them to be very similar in performance. https://www.deepcool.com/product/LiquidCooler/2019-04/209_10832.shtml

 

It does not appear that the pump speed is controllable on the Deepcool Gammax. The PWM only applies to the fans as far as their website tells me.

 

Tomshardware ran some benchmarks for the 10900k's stock configuration: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-10900k-cpu-review/2

 

"While Intel designed its 250W limit to keep thermals 'manageable' with a wide variety of cooling solutions, most motherboard vendors feed the chip up to ~330W of power at stock settings, leading to hideous power consumption metrics during AVX stress tests. Feeding 330W to a stock processor on a mainstream motherboard is a bit nuts, but it enables higher all-core frequencies for longer durations, provided the motherboard and power supply can feed the chip enough current, and your cooler can extract enough heat. 

 

To find the power limit associated with our chip paired with the Gigabyte Aorus Z490 Master motherboard, we ran a few Prime95 tests with AVX enabled (small FFT). During those tests, we recorded up to 332W of power consumption when paired with either the Corsair H115i 280mm AIO watercooler or a Noctua NH-D15S air cooler. Yes, that's with the processor configured at stock settings. For perspective, our 18-core Core i9-10980XE drew 'only' 256W during an identical Prime95 test."

 

The benchmarks in the article show that some of the 240mm AIOs are reaching the Tjunction max temperature of 100C. (See the first Temperature graph for the Corsair H115i 280mm AIO)

 

While it might be possible to OC to 5ghz, it would not be advisable if the system is going to be stressed excessively. The CPU will thermal throttle and might even shut down if the cooler can't keep up. But, it is not impossible.

 

is it bad to not have a pump with contraolable speed ? dont want to shell out extra for argb fans if i replace them anyway.

[Kaaverik]

It is not the worst thing, but the whole AIO has to balance the flow of the water, the cooling capacity of the radiator and the speed of the fans. What you really would need to cool this cpu is a bigger radiator.

 

Regardless, the fans are the most important part because they need to push adequate air through the radiator to cool it down. the top of the case is the best spot imo because the warm air in the case is exhausted out the top. However, the cpu will have a higher ambient temperature.

[CasoF13]

49 minutes ago, Kaaverik said:

It is not the worst thing, but the whole AIO has to balance the flow of the water, the cooling capacity of the radiator and the speed of the fans. What you really would need to cool this cpu is a bigger radiator.

 

Regardless, the fans are the most important part because they need to push adequate air through the radiator to cool it down. the top of the case is the best spot imo because the warm air in the case is exhausted out the top. However, the cpu will have a higher ambient temperature.

i would use the fans that i currently have as top case fans the deepcool cf 120 plus, are they ok ?

[Kaaverik]

36 minutes ago, CasoF13 said:

i would use the fans that i currently have as top case fans the deepcool cf 120 plus, are they ok ?

Those fans should be great!

[CasoF13]

2 hours ago, Kaaverik said:

Those fans should be great!

if i go with pump speed managable aio with would you recommend ? for 240mm (cant fit anything bigger in it)

[DeepCool zer0]

6 hours ago, CasoF13 said:

is a deepcool gamaxx l240 v2 good anough for a 10900k cooling allcore oc to 5gz ? and does somebody know if the pump speed is controlable with this ? (z490 board) and what are the differences between the gamaxx and castle ex besides the rgb stuff ? want to use this with an 10900k and mx5 thermalpaste. plan to use this as a exhaust top rad in a meshify 2 compact

Hello,

 

You can find the TDP (If this is the number you are looking for) of DeepCool coolers at this page (http://www.deepcool.com/ProductCompatibilityS/Default.aspx). The Gammaxx L240 V2 is actually rated at 220W. The Castles can vary between models, so I would take a look at the page I listed. The only 240mm Castle rated at close specs to the Gammaxx L240 V2 is the Castle 240R; the others are all rated higher. A lot of AIO pumps are designed to run at a single speed, that is why most of them have 3 pin power (not 4 pin PWM); the current Castle and Gammaxx AIO pumps are no exception. There isn't much in terms of upsides of changing the speed of the pump (as perfect examples of AIO pumps are virtually silent) as long as they circulate the liquid at a decent rate. As mentioned above, the main concern is that the fans are being controlled by the CPU_Fan or CPU_OPT headers. I am not sure what types of temperatures you will see with an OC of 5GHz to all cores though, but it will likely come down to your OC settings (ie voltage, cache ratio,  LLC level, etc).

 

DeepCool Support

[CasoF13]

1 hour ago, DeepCool zer0 said:

Hello,

 

You can find the TDP (If this is the number you are looking for) of DeepCool coolers at this page (http://www.deepcool.com/ProductCompatibilityS/Default.aspx). The Gammaxx L240 V2 is actually rated at 220W. The Castles can vary between models, so I would take a look at the page I listed. The only 240mm Castle rated at close specs to the Gammaxx L240 V2 is the Castle 240R; the others are all rated higher. A lot of AIO pumps are designed to run at a single speed, that is why most of them have 3 pin power (not 4 pin PWM); the current Castle and Gammaxx AIO pumps are no exception. There isn't much in terms of upsides of changing the speed of the pump (as perfect examples of AIO pumps are virtually silent) as long as they circulate the liquid at a decent rate. As mentioned above, the main concern is that the fans are being controlled by the CPU_Fan or CPU_OPT headers. I am not sure what types of temperatures you will see with an OC of 5GHz to all cores though, but it will likely come down to your OC settings (ie voltage, cache ratio,  LLC level, etc).

 

DeepCool Support

i am just looking for a aio (preferable from deepcool because of the anti leak) that can tame a 10850k oct to 5gz while keeping temps in a ok/good area. because of my case i can only fit 240mm rad at the top of my case so anything bigger is unfornutaly out of the question. i also want to reuse my cf 120 plus deepcool fans for the rad because otherwise they would be wasted if they are performance wise ok for the rad, so preinstalled rgb/argb fans are not a priority.

your link seams to tell the story that the ex modells espoecially the ex argb one can tame up to 280watts. but what are the differences are the pumps better / fans better ? if the pumps are the same and all that extra performance came from the fans buying something more expensiver woundt be smart because , like i already said, i plan to reuse my deepcool case fans (cf 120 plus argb)

 

right now my temps sit at desktop at 43 and ingame max peak at 73 but linepack pushes my temps (i am currently at 4,8 gz allcore with a negative offset 0,02) at extreme close range to termal throttle. i have a fuma 2 aircooler with 3 cpu fans (1 silverstone slim argb fan at front, 1 noctua fan cromax at middle, 1 coolermaster sickleflow argb at the rear. all that acompanyed by 6 argb cf 120 plus case fans (3front intake 1 exhasut rear and 2 at the top)

[DeepCool zer0]

3 hours ago, CasoF13 said:

i am just looking for a aio (preferable from deepcool because of the anti leak) that can tame a 10850k oct to 5gz while keeping temps in a ok/good area. because of my case i can only fit 240mm rad at the top of my case so anything bigger is unfornutaly out of the question. i also want to reuse my cf 120 plus deepcool fans for the rad because otherwise they would be wasted if they are performance wise ok for the rad, so preinstalled rgb/argb fans are not a priority.

your link seams to tell the story that the ex modells espoecially the ex argb one can tame up to 280watts. but what are the differences are the pumps better / fans better ? if the pumps are the same and all that extra performance came from the fans buying something more expensiver woundt be smart because , like i already said, i plan to reuse my deepcool case fans (cf 120 plus argb)

 

right now my temps sit at desktop at 43 and ingame max peak at 73 but linepack pushes my temps (i am currently at 4,8 gz allcore with a negative offset 0,02) at extreme close range to termal throttle. i have a fuma 2 aircooler with 3 cpu fans (1 silverstone slim argb fan at front, 1 noctua fan cromax at middle, 1 coolermaster sickleflow argb at the rear. all that acompanyed by 6 argb cf 120 plus case fans (3front intake 1 exhasut rear and 2 at the top)

I know that you mentioned that you will be reusing the CF120 Plus fans on the radiator, but there is something to note about the lighting if you go with the Gammaxx L240 V2; the pump's lighting will be standard RGB, while the rest of the lit fans that you have listed are all ARGB. So, if you are OK with the pump's lighting not completely matching your fans, that is an option. There is the Gammaxx L240 A-RGB model, and depending on your location, that model might be more difficult to find than a Castle EX model that already comes with ARGB in the pump. There are differences between the coolers themselves that is partly responsible for the performance difference (the Castle EX pumps have a more optimized design, as well as better flow channels), but there are also differences in the performance of the fans: CF120 Plus fans have a lower rated CFM and static pressure (52.5 CFM, 2.08mmAq) than the fans on the Castle 240EX (64.44 CFM, 2.33 mmAq) or Castle 240EX A-RGB (69.34 CFM, 2.42 mmAq). The CF120 Plus fans look great, but the performance is not the same. Lowering your LLC level to around 6, and reducing your voltage to get your temps into a more stable range is still likely something that you will need to do regardless of which 240mm AIO you choose to go with.

 

DeepCool Support

[CasoF13]

18 minutes ago, DeepCool zer0 said:

I know that you mentioned that you will be reusing the CF120 Plus fans on the radiator, but there is something to note about the lighting if you go with the Gammaxx L240 V2; the pump's lighting will be standard RGB, while the rest of the lit fans that you have listed are all ARGB. So, if you are OK with the pump's lighting not completely matching your fans, that is an option. There is the Gammaxx L240 A-RGB model, and depending on your location, that model might be more difficult to find than a Castle EX model that already comes with ARGB in the pump. There are differences between the coolers themselves that is partly responsible for the performance difference (the Castle EX pumps have a more optimized design, as well as better flow channels), but there are also differences in the performance of the fans: CF120 Plus fans have a lower rated CFM and static pressure (52.5 CFM, 2.08mmAq) than the fans on the Castle 240EX (64.44 CFM, 2.33 mmAq) or Castle 240EX A-RGB (69.34 CFM, 2.42 mmAq). The CF120 Plus fans look great, but the performance is not the same. Lowering your LLC level to around 6, and reducing your voltage to get your temps into a more stable range is still likely something that you will need to do regardless of which 240mm AIO you choose to go with.

 

DeepCool Support

thx after reading your link i saw that there are a new model of the castle ex a-rgb 240mm rated with 280tdp are they good if so i think i will be going with them.