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Massimo480
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Hi all.

 

For a while now, my PC/Win 10 will randomly shut off. The power button of my PC won't be responsive, so I have to restart the PSU in order to be able to turn my PC back on. (After the unexpected shut down, my keyboard still has its RGB lights on though)

 

Note: The random shut downs are not during gaming where a lot of power is being drawn, they truly are random even if the PC is just doing simple tasks

 

Could it be a Windows 10 issue? How can I test that my PSU is not the issue? 

 

Thanks 

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Always post system details if you want help. This sounds like something is overheating/unstable or indeed a PSU issue.

mY sYsTeM iS Not pErfoRmInG aS gOOd As I sAW oN yOuTuBe. WhA t IS a GoOd FaN CuRVe??!!? wHat aRe tEh GoOd OvERclok SeTTinGS FoR My CaRd??  HoW CaN I foRcE my GpU to uSe 1o0%? BuT WiLL i HaVE Bo0tllEnEcKs? RyZEN dOeS NoT peRfORm BetTer wItH HiGhER sPEED RaM!!! dId i WiN teH SiLiCON LotTerrY? yOu ShoUlD dEsHrOuD uR GPU. my SYstEm iS UNDerPerforMiNg iN WarzONE. can mY Pc Run WiNdOwS 11 ?? woUld BaKInG MY GRaPHics card fIX it? MultimETeR TeSTiNG!! aMd'S GpU DrIvErS aRe as goOD aS NviDia's YOU SHoUlD oVERCloCk yOUR ramS To 5000C18! jellYfIn Client siDE TRanscoDinG

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I believe it's just a corrupted Windows install. However could also be PSU. We need to know your system specs though - prebuilt? Built yourself? What parts?

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

Works Cited

      Aquino NB, Sevigny MB, Sabangan J, Louie MC. The role of cadmium and nickel in estrogen receptor signaling and breast cancer: metalloestrogens or not? J Environ Sci Health C Environ Carcinog Ecotoxicol Rev. 2012;30(3):189-224. doi: 10.1080/10590501.2012.705159. PMID: 22970719; PMCID: PMC3476837.

      Rollerova, E., Urbancikova, N. Intracellular estrogen receptors, their characterization and function (Review). https://www.sav.sk/journals/endo/full/er0400f.pdf.

      Nikolic J, Sokolovic D. Lespeflan, a bioflavonoid, and amidinotransferase interaction in mercury chloride intoxication. Ren Fail. 2004 Nov;26(6):607-11. doi: 10.1081/jdi-200037149. PMID: 15600250.

      Darbre PD. Metalloestrogens: an emerging class of inorganic xenoestrogens with potential to add to the oestrogenic burden of the human breast. J Appl Toxicol. 2006 May-Jun;26(3):191-7. doi: 10.1002/jat.1135. PMID: 16489580.

      Satarug S, Garrett SH, Sens MA, Sens DA. Cadmium, environmental exposure, and health outcomes. Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Feb;118(2):182-90. doi: 10.1289/ehp.0901234. PMID: 20123617; PMCID: PMC2831915.

      McElroy JA, Shafer MM, Trentham-Dietz A, Hampton JM, Newcomb PA. Cadmium exposure and breast cancer risk. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2006 Jun 21;98(12):869-73. doi: 10.1093/jnci/djj233. PMID: 16788160.

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7 minutes ago, Levent said:

Always post system details if you want help. This sounds like something is overheating/unstable or indeed a PSU issue.

 

4 minutes ago, Mel0nMan said:

I believe it's just a corrupted Windows install. However could also be PSU. We need to know your system specs though - prebuilt? Built yourself? What parts?

 

 

The Windows Event viewer says:
"Critical - Kernel Power - Task Category 63

The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This error could be caused if the system stopped responding, crashed, or lost power unexpectedly."

 

I have a Threadripper 1950X, RTX 2080 TI, 64 GB DDR4, Thermaltake Grand RGB 850W 80+ Gold PSU.

I built the system myself. 

 

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1 minute ago, Massimo480 said:

 

 

 

The Windows Event viewer says:
"Critical - Kernel Power - Task Category 63

The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This error could be caused if the system stopped responding, crashed, or lost power unexpectedly."

 

I have a Threadripper 1950X, RTX 2080 TI, 64 GB DDR4, Thermaltake Grand RGB 850W 80+ Gold PSU.

I built the system myself. 

 

Then that's a power issue.

What the horse considers play, the monkey considers business...

But to Tom, it's all foolery. 

 

 

 

 

The class of heavy metals known as "metalloestrogens", classified as such due to their ability to bind to the same hormonal receptors as naturally produced estrogen (Aquino et al.), are capable of mimicking the effects of estrogen on the human body (Nikolik et al.). Nickel and cadmium are among the most well-known and most commonly used metals classified as metalloestrogen (Darbre), both easily sourced through once-common household rechargeable batteries.

Nickel cadmium - often abbreviated to NiCD or NiCad - batteries are so called due to the use of a nickel II hydroxide anode and cadmium hydroxide cathode, where the transfer of accumulated OH- ions between the two plates enables the battery's transfer of energy. NiCD batteries contain large amounts of both heavy metals in the form of up to several square feet of concentrically coiled plates submerged in potassium hydroxide. Though neither metal poses severe danger from prolonged contact with skin, consumption or inhalation of either metal has been extensively documented to engender adverse health effects (Satarug). 

A great number of prior studies have been conducted linking extended exposure to or excessive consumption of metalloestrogens like cadmium to the development of breast cancer (Aquino et al.) - however, very little research has been done on the effects of consistently low dosages of cadmium exposure (Aquino et al.). Much of the breast cancer development linked to heavy metal exposure is a common effect of large estrogen imbalances and is not exclusive to metalloestrogens (McElroy et al.). Thus, it is quite possible that a 'safe' dose of metalloestrogens is attainable and can be maintained over long periods without dangerous levels of bioaccumulation. 

Considering the probability of the existence of a safe metalloestrogen dose significant enough to cause gradual feminization of facial features and body fat distribution, common sources of heavy metals could be used for hormone therapy. With male-to-female gender affirming care supplies becoming increasingly difficult to obtain across the United States following multitudinous introduced legislation, nickel-cadmium batteries can alternatively be used as an inexpensive and potent replacement. 

 

Works Cited

      Aquino NB, Sevigny MB, Sabangan J, Louie MC. The role of cadmium and nickel in estrogen receptor signaling and breast cancer: metalloestrogens or not? J Environ Sci Health C Environ Carcinog Ecotoxicol Rev. 2012;30(3):189-224. doi: 10.1080/10590501.2012.705159. PMID: 22970719; PMCID: PMC3476837.

      Rollerova, E., Urbancikova, N. Intracellular estrogen receptors, their characterization and function (Review). https://www.sav.sk/journals/endo/full/er0400f.pdf.

      Nikolic J, Sokolovic D. Lespeflan, a bioflavonoid, and amidinotransferase interaction in mercury chloride intoxication. Ren Fail. 2004 Nov;26(6):607-11. doi: 10.1081/jdi-200037149. PMID: 15600250.

      Darbre PD. Metalloestrogens: an emerging class of inorganic xenoestrogens with potential to add to the oestrogenic burden of the human breast. J Appl Toxicol. 2006 May-Jun;26(3):191-7. doi: 10.1002/jat.1135. PMID: 16489580.

      Satarug S, Garrett SH, Sens MA, Sens DA. Cadmium, environmental exposure, and health outcomes. Environ Health Perspect. 2010 Feb;118(2):182-90. doi: 10.1289/ehp.0901234. PMID: 20123617; PMCID: PMC2831915.

      McElroy JA, Shafer MM, Trentham-Dietz A, Hampton JM, Newcomb PA. Cadmium exposure and breast cancer risk. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2006 Jun 21;98(12):869-73. doi: 10.1093/jnci/djj233. PMID: 16788160.

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1 minute ago, Massimo480 said:

I have a Threadripper 1950X, RTX 2080 TI, 64 GB DDR4, Thermaltake Grand RGB 850W 80+ Gold PSU.

I can suggest testing CPU, GPU, RAM one by one first, (Prime95 for CPU, furmark for GPU, TestMem5 for RAM) if individually you dont experience any crashes, then I would suggest testing CPU and GPU at the same time using the same load I described above. 

mY sYsTeM iS Not pErfoRmInG aS gOOd As I sAW oN yOuTuBe. WhA t IS a GoOd FaN CuRVe??!!? wHat aRe tEh GoOd OvERclok SeTTinGS FoR My CaRd??  HoW CaN I foRcE my GpU to uSe 1o0%? BuT WiLL i HaVE Bo0tllEnEcKs? RyZEN dOeS NoT peRfORm BetTer wItH HiGhER sPEED RaM!!! dId i WiN teH SiLiCON LotTerrY? yOu ShoUlD dEsHrOuD uR GPU. my SYstEm iS UNDerPerforMiNg iN WarzONE. can mY Pc Run WiNdOwS 11 ?? woUld BaKInG MY GRaPHics card fIX it? MultimETeR TeSTiNG!! aMd'S GpU DrIvErS aRe as goOD aS NviDia's YOU SHoUlD oVERCloCk yOUR ramS To 5000C18! jellYfIn Client siDE TRanscoDinG

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1 minute ago, Levent said:

I can suggest testing CPU, GPU, RAM one by one first, (Prime95 for CPU, furmark for GPU, TestMem5 for RAM) if individually you dont experience any crashes, then I would suggest testing CPU and GPU at the same time using the same load I described above. 

 

Thank you!

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41 minutes ago, Levent said:

I can suggest testing CPU, GPU, RAM one by one first, (Prime95 for CPU, furmark for GPU, TestMem5 for RAM) if individually you dont experience any crashes, then I would suggest testing CPU and GPU at the same time using the same load I described above. 

 

I ran all tests, and everything was fine! No shut downs. 

 

Is it safe to assume now that it's a Windows 10 issue? 

 

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13 hours ago, Massimo480 said:

 

I ran all tests, and everything was fine! No shut downs. 

 

Is it safe to assume now that it's a Windows 10 issue? 

 

I am not entirely sure, software rarely causes instant shutdowns (I dont think I ever encountered one). It is usually hardware that causes issues of that nature. 

mY sYsTeM iS Not pErfoRmInG aS gOOd As I sAW oN yOuTuBe. WhA t IS a GoOd FaN CuRVe??!!? wHat aRe tEh GoOd OvERclok SeTTinGS FoR My CaRd??  HoW CaN I foRcE my GpU to uSe 1o0%? BuT WiLL i HaVE Bo0tllEnEcKs? RyZEN dOeS NoT peRfORm BetTer wItH HiGhER sPEED RaM!!! dId i WiN teH SiLiCON LotTerrY? yOu ShoUlD dEsHrOuD uR GPU. my SYstEm iS UNDerPerforMiNg iN WarzONE. can mY Pc Run WiNdOwS 11 ?? woUld BaKInG MY GRaPHics card fIX it? MultimETeR TeSTiNG!! aMd'S GpU DrIvErS aRe as goOD aS NviDia's YOU SHoUlD oVERCloCk yOUR ramS To 5000C18! jellYfIn Client siDE TRanscoDinG

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On 8/29/2021 at 1:00 PM, Mel0nMan said:

Then that's a power issue.

 

On 8/30/2021 at 2:46 AM, Levent said:

I am not entirely sure, software rarely causes instant shutdowns (I dont think I ever encountered one). It is usually hardware that causes issues of that nature. 

 

Just to give you guys an update. 

 

I made a new Windows 10 installation, and it's been days and I've not had any shut downs. 

 

I was worried, because during one of the times when my PC restarted while I was plugging in the Windows 10 USB Flash Drive, the PC lost its power during the bootup. So I got worried that it may be the PSU and not the OS since the OS wasn't running yet. 

 

But it turns out that the OS may have caused these shut downs that would require me to restart my PSU every time. 

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On 8/29/2021 at 1:00 PM, Mel0nMan said:

Then that's a power issue.

Actually, not always.  Windows is going to say that every time the PC shuts down for any reason.

 

On 8/29/2021 at 12:39 PM, Massimo480 said:

Hi all.

 

For a while now, my PC/Win 10 will randomly shut off. The power button of my PC won't be responsive, so I have to restart the PSU in order to be able to turn my PC back on. (After the unexpected shut down, my keyboard still has its RGB lights on though)

 

Your USB ports use +5VSB which are always on.

 

What are your temps?  Lots of dust build up?  Is the fan on the PSU spinning?  This sounds like the PC is latching protection if you have to cycle the power on the PSU to get it to come back on again.  

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