Additional advice on build.

[wha2les]

So back in July, I had some fantastic advice and ideas for a future build.

I've been thinking about it for awhile, and I wanted some additional advice/ wisdom from more experienced pc builders.

 

Big Caveat: I am not the type of PC Builder who will constantly upgrade. So some of the parts seems overkill (I used other people's recommendations and changed some things), but that is because I'm probably not going to upgrade for awhile especially since I'm building a DDR4 spec computer rather than a DDR5 computer (where I would have to change mobo, cpu and RAM if I want to benefit from later DDR5 stuff). Other than upgrading GPU (planning on moving my currently used 5700xt to something else once I can get something better without sacrificing a kidney), I would be doing minimal upgrade and ride the computer till it is no longer able to adequately do the things it needs to do.

 

Build Plan:

CPU:AMD 5900x (or 3d cache equivalent depending on when I actually get around to buying CPU).
GPU: I'll be keeping my current 5700xt GPU right now with hopes to upgrade to 3080 or 4000 series ( or their AMD equivalent)- All dependent on when prices are normalized to some extent.
RAM: I have a lot of demanding games like Cities Skylines, Planet Zoos, and Flight Simulator that will need a lot of ram due to mods. I also don't really close things like Chrome, excel, etc when I do games or do other intensive tasks. So I'm going for 64 gb (because I don't want to constantly upgrade things). My current pc had 16 gb for the longest time, and 5-6 yrs after I built it, I wanted to upgrade ram, and man was DDR3 Ram comparatively expensive at that time so I am just "upgrading" once for now.

Case: Phantek Enthoo Pro 2: seems like a decent case for air flow and stuff (even if I am not doing liquid cooling), and I really like the front IO (4 USB 3 and 1 USB 3.2). 

 

Here are my questions:

1. I really like my Asus motherboard right now, so I want to get an AM4 Asus Mother board for this next build, but I am not sure which one will allow me to fully benefit the front IO (PC Part picker always seem to give a warning about not being able to utilize it no matter which board I choose)? And which of the various X570 mo bo would you recommend? I know I might not be able to fully utilize the tech in x570 right now, but it will allow me to take advantage of it later with minimal upgrades.
2. I heard that RAM for Ryzen benefits greatly with speed. I have found 2 32 GB kits of 3200 Mhz and CL14 vs 1 3600 Mhz CL14 kit. One is 200 dollars more than the other two combined... Is that worth it? or is the benefit not significant enough to be noticeable?
3. Considering that I probably won't be upgrading my CPU (after reaching 5900x, isn't really worth going for the 5950x in the future). But I do want to upgrade GPU over the life of this build. So I know that 850 W might be enough right now with the 3080 and 5900x + 2-3 SSD and a couple of HDD (if i need to add more drives in the future), but is it enough with overclocking and future component upgrades? Or should I go for the 1000w? I only ask because from what I heard PSU are most efficient around 50-60% utilization? so my current component right now would be close to that 50-60% already with all the other drives and things?
4.  So I want to spread out the cost of my parts instead of buying everything all at once. Are there things I shouldn't buy preemptively if I plan to build late this year and early next year? I assume Case, Case fans, and PSU would be safe to buy and store until December 2021 and Early 2022? 

 

Sorry for the long post, and thanks for your help!

 

[heli1337]

37 minutes ago, wha2les said:

I heard that RAM for Ryzen benefits greatly with speed.

Yeah you are right.

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I have found 2 32 GB kits of 3200 Mhz and CL14 vs 1 3600 Mhz CL14 kit. One is 200 dollars more than the other two combined... Is that worth it? or is the benefit not significant enough to be noticeable

I think one kit of two sticks is better.

Maybe four sticks are looking better when filling all ram places.

If you have larger memory support on board than 32GB RAM you have a place to get it upgraded in future for another two sticks.

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Considering that I probably won't be upgrading my CPU (after reaching 5900x, isn't really worth going for the 5950x in the future). But I do want to upgrade GPU over the life of this build. So I know that 850 W might be enough right now with the 3080 and 5900x + 2-3 SSD and a couple of HDD (if i need to add more drives in the future), but is it enough with overclocking and future component upgrades? Or should I go for the 1000w? I only ask because from what I heard PSU are most efficient around 50-60% utilization? so my current component right now would be close to that 50-60% already with all the other drives and things? 

Just get your psu's table with voltages and find a power on the +12v line.

You can use psu caluclators like enermax one - https://enermax.outervision.com/

It can help you with your decision.

[wha2les]

2 hours ago, Helly Benchmarking said:

I think one kit of two sticks is better.

Maybe four sticks are looking better when filling all ram places.

If you have larger memory support on board than 32GB RAM you have a place to get it upgraded in future for another two sticks.

 

I'm confused by your statement. The 2 32gb kit is 2 kits of the 32 gb (2x 16)x2 ( to get the 64 gb) . The other one is a 1 kit of 64 (4 x 16). They would both occupy 4  ram slots.

I was just wondering if the 3200 vs 3600 with both at CL 14 is a big difference? because the 3600 is 300 dollars more than the other one.

[wha2les]

2 hours ago, Helly Benchmarking said:

 

Just get your psu's table with voltages and find a power on the +12v line.

You can use psu caluclators like enermax one - https://enermax.outervision.com/

It can help you with your decision.

Like i said... I know 850W should be enough for the build today, but that isn't my question. My question is about future upgrade. I don't want to buy a more powerful GPU and  add more HDD and SSDs in the future, realize I need a new PSU because the power consumption makes the current PSU more risky in terms of reliability, and then have to go buy a new one, swap everything and replug everyting.

I just want to build a system that will last me awhile (like how my current system lasted me for 6-7 yrs at this point). Like I said in my caveat, I only want to upgrade GPU in the future IF I need to (especially since I am not buying a GPU for 2000 dollars right now). So I want to make sure that whatever upgrades I might do (which would be GPUs, and storage, etc.) that the PSU would run most efficiently.

I know 850w PSU is enough for right now, but is it enough with overclocking and future component upgrades? Or should I go for the 1000w? I ask because from what I heard PSU are most efficient around 50-60% utilization? so my current component right now would be at or over that 50-60% (624 W/ 850W from PSU)  already with all the other drives and things?