Heavily underperforming AIO

[redcan0]

Hey everyone, I have a 360mm AIO (Silverstone PermaFrost 360) on a Ryzen 5 3600. I use my 3600 with 1.25V 4.4 GHz. My temps on Cinebench R20 is 70-73 and in Prime95 Blender its 59-60. Why are my temps so high? I have a friend with a 25 USD Aliexpress cooler with a Ryzen 5 3600 and he gets the same temps as me. What should I do?

[Skiiwee29]

Excuse me?? What is gihg???

 

Your temps are 100% normal and quite good actually. If your friend is using a 25$ aliexpress cooler and getting those temps... I fear they're not quite telling the truth most likely. 

[redcan0]

2 minutes ago, Skiiwee29 said:

Excuse me?? What is gihg???

 

Your temps are 100% normal and quite good actually. If your friend is using a 25$ aliexpress cooler and getting those temps... I fear they're not quite telling the truth most likely. 

I meant to type high not hgih sorry about that.He actually screenshared to me and showed his temps I feel like there is something wrong.

[Skiiwee29]

1 minute ago, redcan0 said:

I meant to type high not hgih sorry about that.He actually screenshared to me and showed his temps I feel like there is something wrong.

There is nothing wrong. Your temps are fantastic. 

[Ankh Tech]

1 minute ago, redcan0 said:

I meant to type high not hgih sorry about that.He actually screenshared to me and showed his temps I feel like there is something wrong.

Don't worry, these temps are great, and maybe he is lying about the 25 usd aliexpress cooler,

[redcan0]

Just now, Skiiwee29 said:

There is nothing wrong. Your temps are fantastic. 

I ordered new thermal paste since the thermal paste that came out of the AIO box looked very cheap. I hope that helps

[Deli]

39 minutes ago, Skiiwee29 said:

Excuse me?? What is gihg???

 

Your temps are 100% normal and quite good actually. If your friend is using a 25$ aliexpress cooler and getting those temps... I fear they're not quite telling the truth most likely. 

Probably running the fans at 3000 rpm and louder than a jet engine. Or the other 3600 isn't running at 4.4GHz 1.25v. I can imagine that kind of temperature at stock clock with a half decent air cooler.

[redcan0]

5 minutes ago, Deli said:

Probably running the fans at 3000 rpm and louder than a jet engine. Or the other 3600 isn't running at 4.4GHz 1.25v. I can imagine that kind of temperature at stock clock with a half decent air cooler.

Right now I am at 4.4 GHz 1.25V playing RDR2 with %50 fans and %100 pump speed. 55 degrees stable. I guess its fine but sometimes it jumps from 55 to 65 out of nowhere then drops back to 55 and jumps suddenly again which bothers me

[Deli]

1 minute ago, redcan0 said:

Right now I am at 4.4 GHz 1.25V playing RDR2 with %50 fans and %100 pump speed. 55 degrees stable. I guess its fine but sometimes it jumps from 55 to 65 out of nowhere then drops back to 55 and jumps suddenly again which bothers me

Zen 2 has very jumpy temperature. 100% normal.

[Deli]

Which LLC level in the BIOS settings? If it's in "Auto", try "med" or "high". You can then drop the vcore a bit more, like 1.23v instead of 1.25v. The CPU will run a 2-3C cooler. Although it isn't a guarantee. At least it works for my chip.

[redcan0]

Just now, Deli said:

Which LLC level in the BIOS settings? If it's in "Auto", try "med" or "high". You can then drop the vcore a bit more, like 1.23v instead of 1.25v. The CPU will run a 2-3C cooler. Although it isn't a guarantee. At least it works for my chip.

What is LLC? Currently I have my voltage set to override mode at 1.25V and Cpu core ratio to 44 thats all

[Deli]

Just now, redcan0 said:

What is LLC? Currently I have my voltage set to override mode at 1.25V and Cpu core ratio to 44 thats all

Load line calibration.

 

[redcan0]

2 minutes ago, Deli said:

Load line calibration.

 

I am going to switch to a 5600x as soon as I can I hope the Jumpy temps were fixed with Zen 3 and I will take a look at LLC a bit later see how it goes aer they any downsides to enabling LLC?

[Deli]

11 minutes ago, redcan0 said:

I am going to switch to a 5600x as soon as I can I hope the Jumpy temps were fixed with Zen 3 and I will take a look at LLC a bit later see how it goes aer they any downsides to enabling LLC?

I don't see the jumpy temp as problem as long as it isn't 80C+. The load of CPU isn't constant in games or some background tasks suddenly pop up. If you run some very constant load apps, like video encoding or Blender rendering. The temperature is very stable.

 

When the CPU is under heavy load and draws a lot of current. The VRM of the mobo won't able to hold the supposed set vcore. LLC is to partially counter this problem to reduce vdroop. Just don't overdo it, because then the VRM will over-compensate and overshot the targeted vcore.

[redcan0]

15 minutes ago, Deli said:

I don't see the jumpy temp as problem as long as it isn't 80C+. The load of CPU isn't constant in games or some background tasks suddenly pop up. If you run some very constant load apps, like video encoding or Blender rendering. The temperature is very stable.

 

When the CPU is under heavy load and draws a lot of current. The VRM of the mobo won't able to hold the supposed set vcore. LLC is to partially counter this problem to reduce vdroop. Just don't overdo it, because then the VRM will over-compensate and overshot the targeted vcore.

I just read some stuff about LLC. Some people commented about it shortening the CPUs lifetime. Is this true?

[Deli]

3 minutes ago, redcan0 said:

I just read some stuff about LLC. Some people commented about it shortening the CPUs lifetime. Is this true?

Shortening from 30 years to 20 years. Just don't use the heaviest settings, e.g. Turbo & Ultra turbo etc. Med to high are fine.

 

On the other hand. Your CPU temp is good and CPU OC stable. If you prefer just leave it as default is also fine.

[redcan0]

2 minutes ago, Deli said:

Shortening from 30 years to 20 years. Just don't use the heaviest settings, e.g. Turbo & Ultra turbo etc. Med to high are fine.

 

On the other hand. Your CPU temp is good and CPU OC stable. If you prefer just leave it as default is also fine.

Thanks for all the help. Normally my temps were 70-73 on cinebench with %70 fans apparently. I set my case and AIO fans both to %100 and my Cinebench Temps are about 65 now which is pretty good but again its louder than a plane like this since the AIO fans max out at 2200 RPM

[Deli]

Just now, redcan0 said:

Thanks for all the help. Normally my temps were 70-73 on cinebench with %70 fans apparently. I set my case and AIO fans both to %100 and my Cinebench Temps are about 65 now which is pretty good but again its louder than a plane like this since the AIO fans max out at 2200 RPM

70C at 4.4GHz is really quite good.

[redcan0]

1 minute ago, Deli said:

70C at 4.4GHz is really quite good.

I am hoping for 4.8 GHz when I get the 5600x in a week or so I also got a Arctic MX4 thermal paste but it didn't arrive yet. I am happy now that my temps are normal a lot of people told me 70 degrees at Cinebench was a lot for a 360mm AIO at a 3600 at 4.4 GHz. I was worried that my AIO was defective or something

[Deli]

5 minutes ago, redcan0 said:

I am hoping for 4.8 GHz when I get the 5600x in a week or so I also got a Arctic MX4 thermal paste but it didn't arrive yet. I am happy now that my temps are normal a lot of people told me 70 degrees at Cinebench was a lot for a 360mm AIO at a 3600 at 4.4 GHz. I was worried that my AIO was defective or something

I have 3900x and 3600. I can assure you 70C at 4.4GHz is good temp. Unless you go custom loop or get a 1 in 10000 golden chip. Very likely you won't see 65C running Cinebench R20 at normal ambient temp. However building a custom loop for 3600 doesn't make sense in my opinion.