Anti-Leak thing

[Marcel91]

So, I'm looking to get a AIO but I'm having trouble choosing as there are some that says that they have anti leak while some others don't. Are there any real differences or benefits with having them? Is it worth it? Is leakage a leading point of failure or are there other parts of the AIO that will fail first before any actual leakage?

[Moonzy]

20 minutes ago, Marcel91 said:

there are some that says that they have anti leak while some others don't. Are there any real differences or benefits with having them?

you can bet your ass that no manufacturers make their AIO to leak, so i wouldn't look too much into it

 

20 minutes ago, Marcel91 said:

Is it worth it?

if you mean the "anti-leak" statement, i wouldn't worry too much about it

if you're asking if AIO are worth it, i would say maybe.

AIO are normally more costly than air, so if you could go air cooling and bump up a CPU/GPU tier, it's definitely not worth it.

there are also more risk and point of failure involved. Personally would just go with air cooling.

 

but they do look better for some people, and it's easier to access RAM and such. and a top tier AIO performs better than aircoolers. so it's up to you

 

20 minutes ago, Marcel91 said:

Is leakage a leading point of failure or are there other parts of the AIO that will fail first before any actual leakage?

this is entirely RNG, if you're not comfortable with having a leak, dont get an AIO

it's not common to leak, but it does happen. and when it does, it's normally catastrophic failure

I've seen pump fails and leaking just about as equally much while dwelling here, maybe more pump death

 

seen too many components die due to watercooling in general, enough to deter me away from it.

[For Science!]

18 minutes ago, Marcel91 said:

So, I'm looking to get a AIO but I'm having trouble choosing as there are some that says that they have anti leak while some others don't. Are there any real differences or benefits with having them? Is it worth it? Is leakage a leading point of failure or are there other parts of the AIO that will fail first before any actual leakage?

No real benefit, its a marketing things. THe anti-leak is just a pressure release, but pressure isn't usually the primary reason of failure or leak anyway.

[Marcel91]

20 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

you can bet your ass that no manufacturers make their AIO to leak, so i wouldn't look too much into it

Yeah I guess so lmao, really made me think though since most of the ones I see that have "anti leak" usually price about $20 more so I had to think if it's even worth it.

 

22 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

but they do look better for some people, and it's easier to access RAM and such. and a top tier AIO performs better than aircoolers. so it's up to you

Yeah it's mostly an aesthetics thing but also because looking to upgrade RAM if I have the chance and didn't want the inconvenience of having trouble to access the DIMM slots.

28 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

this is entirely RNG, if you're not comfortable with having a leak, dont get an AIO

it's not common to leak, but it does happen. and when it does, it's normally catastrophic failure

I've seen pump fails and leaking just about as equally much while dwelling here, maybe more pump death

Oh I see, so it's about 50 50 or something, so this answer my question to my head which is "if it has it, will it reduce the chance of leakage as a point of failure?", well I guess not, thanks for that. 

28 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

seen too many components die due to watercooling in general, enough to deter me away from it.

I see, I'll take this into consideration before deciding if I actually want one then, thanks.

26 minutes ago, For Science! said:

No real benefit, its a marketing things. THe anti-leak is just a pressure release, but pressure isn't usually the primary reason of failure or leak anyway.

Oh okay, thought it actually mattered hence this post, as an additional question though, do you happen to know what are or what is the primary reason for failures in an AIO?

[For Science!]

2 minutes ago, Marcel91 said:

Oh okay, thought it actually mattered hence this post, as an additional question though, do you happen to know what are or what is the primary reason for failures in an AIO?

The root problem is because the are "maintenance-free", but in reality they are devices that need the most maintenance. Mixed metals (copper coldplate + aluminium radiator), with glycol based coolant (which is needed for the mixed metals, but will gel over time and heat), together with a weak pump, and air, all come together to produce a ticking time bomb of pump failure. The fact that you can't go in a clean the cold plate, replace the coolant, remove the air, makes it inevitable for failure.

 

That being said, leaking is usually something that is not normal and is by far not a common reason for failure 

[Marcel91]

16 minutes ago, For Science! said:

The root problem is because the are "maintenance-free", but in reality they are devices that need the most maintenance. Mixed metals (copper coldplate + aluminium radiator), with glycol based coolant (which is needed for the mixed metals, but will gel over time and heat), together with a weak pump, and air, all come together to produce a ticking time bomb of pump failure. The fact that you can't go in a clean the cold plate, replace the coolant, remove the air, makes it inevitable for failure.

 

That being said, leaking is usually something that is not normal and is by far not a common reason for failure 

Hmmm, so it's basically just wear and tear where they will fail eventually, it just happens to be a tad faster than other components being you can't actually clean/replace parts that are starting to show their age, I see, thanks! One last question, how long would an AIO around $60-$80, usually last under normal to optimal conditions like mostly gaming and some web browsing(no overclocks but something I'm interested in for the near future).

[For Science!]

6 minutes ago, Marcel91 said:

Hmmm, so it's basically just wear and tear where they will fail eventually, it just happens to be a tad faster than other components being you can't actually clean/replace parts that are starting to show their age, I see, thanks! One last question, how long would an AIO around $60-$80, usually last under normal to optimal conditions like mostly gaming and some web browsing(no overclocks but something I'm interested in for the near future).

For an Asetek AIO (the company that produces a large amount of the actual cooling solution) the partner (NZXT, Corsair, Fractal Design, etc) historically would give something on the order of a 5 year warranty. I take that as a sign that the companies can expect to still make a profit replacing units that fail of the 5 year mark. So I guess if I had to pull a number out of a cavity somewhere, maybe I would say "normally" units are expected to fail beyond 5 years, but can live for much longer, would be my statement.

 

Unfortunately 5 years is longer than I've had an AIO or building computers at all, so I cannot offer any personal experience with this matter. My very lightly used 3.5 year old AIO still behaves very well.

[Marcel91]

4 minutes ago, For Science! said:

For an Asetek AIO (the company that produces a large amount of the actual cooling solution) the partner (NZXT, Corsair, Fractal Design, etc) historically would give something on the order of a 5 year warranty. I take that as a sign that the companies can expect to still make a profit replacing units that fail of the 5 year mark. So I guess if I had to pull a number out of a cavity somewhere, maybe I would say "normally" units are expected to fail beyond 5 years, but can live for much longer, would be my statement.

 

Unfortunately 5 years is longer than I've had an AIO or building computers at all, so I cannot offer any personal experience with this matter. My very lightly used 3.5 year old AIO still behaves very well.

I see, well thanks guys, this has been very insightful for me, I'll take everything what you guys said in consideration as I decide to buy an AIO or not, again, thanks a lot!