Haswell?

[LIGISTX]

So, im still running on my old and "aging" x58 with my 920 OCed to 3.82. Thankfully, haven't had any issues with it since the day I got it, its been rock solid. That being said, eventually it will actually be too slow, or will just die on me. 

 

Problem is, with Intel moving the vrm's onto the chip itself, how can this ever be really enthusiast. What will be the point of buying that good mobo in order to get that stable voltage, at for instance my ~45% OC... Granted I realized for a ivy to be OCed 45% it would be at 5 Ghz which is pretty hard to get without monster cooling, but my point remains, will Haswell be fun for enthusiast to tweak and OC? I can't see going and buying that vanilla $120 Asus board that I would have got my dad as being my main gaming rigs mobo. 

 

I feel like Intel just stole all of my fun....

[TheCasaNova]

this is better for people with a budget who can't afford high end motherboards for overclocking so this allow a fair playing field for most people. but true enthusiasts  believe in great cooling, allowing them to still have fun with overclocking.

[LIGISTX]

Yea I get how it would be better for people on a budget... but what about enthusiasts. Maybe I am just being skeptical, but unless they perform well and overclock like people "expect" Intel chips to, might be AMD's time to shine again...

 

Competition is good, but not when you shoot yourself in the foot in order to run as slow as your competitor.

[nlhans]

If you read through the conclusion of this article: http://sinhardware.com/index.php/blog/314-haswellfivr

 

There is a small likelihood the VRM's of a motherboard will disappear. First of all, the presentation says "fine grain power management". It's probably for very stable and local regulation of on-chip power supplies. The voltage ripple is so low, they could only determine/estimate it through simulation to be 2mV worst-case. 

 

The coarse power management is still done on a motherboard. If I look at their prototypes, they still run a 12V -> 2.2V~2.4V switching regulator on their motherboard. This still has to provide all the power to the on-chip VRM's. I suspect they are more tolerant to the quality of these regulators but I can imagine that under performance situations it will still be demanding.

Moreover, an OC will draw more power from the VRM's. If a motherboard can only deliver 120W, and an OC'ed CPU requires 150W or more, you still need those high-performance boards.

[Guest]

Moved to CPU's.

[LIGISTX]

If you read through the conclusion of this article: http://sinhardware.com/index.php/blog/314-haswellfivr

 

There is a small likelihood the VRM's of a motherboard will disappear. First of all, the presentation says "fine grain power management". It's probably for very stable and local regulation of on-chip power supplies. The voltage ripple is so low, they could only determine/estimate it through simulation to be 2mV worst-case. 

 

The coarse power management is still done on a motherboard. If I look at their prototypes, they still run a 12V -> 2.2V~2.4V switching regulator on their motherboard. This still has to provide all the power to the on-chip VRM's. I suspect they are more tolerant to the quality of these regulators but I can imagine that under performance situations it will still be demanding.

Moreover, an OC will draw more power from the VRM's. If a motherboard can only deliver 120W, and an OC'ed CPU requires 150W or more, you still need those high-performance boards.

Makes sense. Hopefully it works out... I guess we will know in the coming months.

[TheCasaNova]

i see how it is bad for  enthusiasts but if intel takes away the built in vrm just for enthusiasts they are going to have less sales meaning less profit for intel. and also less people are going to upgrade to the new platform.