overclock problems

[TUGB]

hello gamers and specialist

i have a problem with my pc

overclock does not seem to work

my setup

 

case  phanteks enthoo pro

motherboard msi godlike x99

processor intel i7  6800k

graphics card aorus 1080 ti extreme waterforce

cpu cooler  corsair hydro h100i v2

ram 64gb 4x16gb  gskill trident z rgb  3600mhz c17 19 19 39

hdd  seahawk survailence 10tb

m.2 samsung 950 pro 512gb  on a asus hyper m.2 pcie adapter

psu   corsair hx850i

in front of the case i have replaced the fan with an 200mm noctua fan aswel as the cpu cooler fans 

 

as i said before overclock does only seem to work with msi  oc mode

i tried to overclock within bios  that worked before but not higher than 3200mhz

and overclocking the cpu with intel extreme  does not work  

instand crash / bootloop every time i try to overclock my pc

 

so guys can you please help me how to overclock the ram  and cpu

 

i gonna change my cpu from 6800k to 6950x

 

i hope that somebody can help me

 

greetings red star guerilla

[BetteBalterZen]

What happens if you enable XMP for the RAM, and then after manually overclock your CPU, step by step? 

Also, usually these automatic overclocks use way too much voltage. But maybe your chip needs a big amount of voltage, to stay stable (no crashes). 

 

When you overclock without MSI OC, do you change Vcore?

[TUGB]

i dont know how to change  that settings i only know  how to set vcore  in intel extreme tuni ng software

i need to know how to change  every settings  in intel extreme tuning   i am a noob on that way haha i am sorry

and  yes xmp  cause my  pc also to crash

[BetteBalterZen]

16 minutes ago, TUGB said:

i dont know how to change  that settings i only know  how to set vcore  in intel extreme tuni ng software

i need to know how to change  every settings  in intel extreme tuning   i am a noob on that way haha i am sorry

and  yes xmp  cause my  pc also to crash

First of all, don't say sorry because you're a "noob" - we all start somewhere

Right. Since you've changed what I'd call BIOS settings via softwares from Windows, I'd reset the BIOS from the BIOS and start over (load default settings etc). 
Then after reset of BIOS, I would only enable XMP. Now I would start Windows. If it boots without problems, great! Now check RAM via fx HWiNFO to see if the right speeds and timings are set from the XMP profile. If everything looks as it should, then great. 

Now, I'd research what other people are using for Vcore when overclocking using the CPU you have. Lets say it's 1.30v, then I'd put that in the Vcore in BIOS and after set it to the desired clockspeed you want. If it crashes while during a test, fx Cinebench (I would recommend Realbench to test stability properly), increase the Vcore with 0.10 until it doesn't crash anymore. And when it doesn't crash anymore, try lower the Vcore with 0.05v. 

I think you will find the "Vcore" setting in the "OC" menu, then under "Voltage Setting" you will find "CPU Core Voltage" which should be on Auto - and it might show a current voltage to left of "Auto". Maybe something like 1.060-ish volt. 

If nothing works, you should check what updates you have for your BIOS. Maybe you're running on a old unstable version. 

[BetteBalterZen]

Oh yeah btw, remember to monitor your CPU temps while trying to overclock and so on. Too much Vcore and the temps go through the roof.

[TUGB]

oke thanks one problem with  the msi x99 godlike is yes all is on auto  in bios  

i did not figured out how to change that but when i am able to change  cpu speed  it only goes  below 0  not up

is that normal

 

yeah that was my plan to make an usb stick with all the bios  for my mobo

 

but after a while i delete my usb stick so when i think i wont need it anymore amd bam just week later or that some day  pc crash at startup  

 

 

[BetteBalterZen]

47 minutes ago, TUGB said:

oke thanks one problem with  the msi x99 godlike is yes all is on auto  in bios  

i did not figured out how to change that but when i am able to change  cpu speed  it only goes  below 0  not up

is that normal

 

yeah that was my plan to make an usb stick with all the bios  for my mobo

 

but after a while i delete my usb stick so when i think i wont need it anymore amd bam just week later or that some day  pc crash at startup  

 

 

Well, you shouldn't touch anything other than enabling XMP, setting a manuel fixed Vcore and then make sure to have AVX offset is set to 0. Leave everything else as it is.

 

And I not sure what you mean by CPU speed only goes below 0 and not up.

 

Luckily you can easy make a new USB with a new BIOS.

[TUGB]

yeah  and now i dont delete my usb anymore i leave that stick alone for in case anything happend

 

well you have settings in bios mode  which for the cpu  you get click on it   to lower amd thats not good  i already talk with somebody   i should leave that alone

 

 

whats  avx  i dont  understand amd where do i find that avx

[BetteBalterZen]

38 minutes ago, TUGB said:

yeah  and now i dont delete my usb anymore i leave that stick alone for in case anything happend

 

well you have settings in bios mode  which for the cpu  you get click on it   to lower amd thats not good  i already talk with somebody   i should leave that alone

 

 

whats  avx  i dont  understand amd where do i find that avx

I'm still not sure exactly what you're talking about but it sounds like you know what to do and what not to do...

And, AVX offset is kinda unnecessary for gaming but it's important to have on 0 if you want to use your overclock fully while under an AVX workload. 

If a program or videogame supports AVX, it can utilize your CPU 100% (another form of CPU calculations will be done), which will cause higher temps and so on - and the smallest instability from an overclock, will most likely crash your system under an AVX workload. What AVX offset does it to lower your CPU clockspeeds under AVX workloads, so your CPU outputs less heat = more stable. So lets say your CPU overclock is set to 4.5GHz with an AVX offset set to -2, under AVX workloads, your CPU will only clock to 4.3GHz instead of the 4.5GHz you have set. 

 

IMO, I would always only make an overclock that is also stable on AVX workloads and not only on "traditional" workloads, like normal gaming or normal use of everyday programs. This way you know your CPU is truly stable with your custom overclock. 

 

Hope it all makes sense. I'm trying my best to explain. If anyone else on this forum sees this and knows something important I have not mentioned, please do! I'm also learning

[BetteBalterZen]

Oh also - I'm not sure where exactly you can find the AVX settings in your BIOS. I have an ASUS motherboard and that has a different BIOS menu(s), compared to MSI's. 

But I think you will find it under something called "CPU Setting", which might be under "Overclocking". The AVX setting itself might be called "CPU Ratio Offset When Running AVX".

[TUGB]

i understand   so the settings in my bios the cpu i cant set it upwards  ,so i must set it to  02 below  in msi

 

 

yeah somethings i know  somethings i do not now 

 

 

i am very thankfull for your help

[BetteBalterZen]

Still, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by some settings you cannot set upwards. Are you talking about the AVX Offset? 

And of course - no problem! As long as I can help, I will

[TUGB]

in the bios settings from the msi godlike carbon de cpu is om 34   and i cant get them higherits not posseble

 

you said to me  this  -2  so i must go   backwarts with  the 34  core settings  in bios or ?

[BetteBalterZen]

1 minute ago, TUGB said:

in the bios settings from the msi godlike carbon de cpu is om 34   and i cant get them higherits not posseble

 

you said to me  this  -2  so i must go   backwarts with  the 34  core settings  in bios or ?

Wait, you can't increase the clockspeeds on your CPU from 34 / 3.4 GHz to higher? Am I understanding this correctly? 

[TUGB]

in bios  yes

[BetteBalterZen]

I just found this: 

You cannot overclock the CPU you have anymore. 

So there's no reason to continue trying to make this work. It's not really possible anymore it seems - well not without doing what is explained in Update, Update 2 and Update 3 in the Reddit post. Maybe you wanna try that? If not, leave everything default in the BIOS, though remember to use XMP to have your RAM running with the correct settings. 

[TUGB]

well very thanks    this shocked me  for me and thats how i feel windows do the same thing to gamers as the damn drm in games do to us

always problems  de last year 

should i go for an 6950x  or  do have than the same problem

i gonna try to  do this fix if that works than i am fine and dont need to but an other mobo amd cpu 

[BetteBalterZen]

1 hour ago, TUGB said:

well very thanks    this shocked me  for me and thats how i feel windows do the same thing to gamers as the damn drm in games do to us

always problems  de last year 

should i go for an 6950x  or  do have than the same problem

i gonna try to  do this fix if that works than i am fine and dont need to but an other mobo amd cpu 

Np! 

Please give me an update after you've tried the fix. I'd like to know if it works. And I don't know about the 6950X having the same problem. You can always do a quick research. 

[TUGB]

i wil give you a update on it

i am now waiting for my 200mm noctua fan for the front of  the case  the 2  noctua industrial fans 140mm are delivered so as soon as i have my last fan i put everything together

ow jeah maybe not important  bit i replaced the cooling paste with  thermal grizzly krynaut  pads aswel for the cpu as for the gpu  no messing around anymore with paste

it was a realy f up job  to dissamble the videocard   i wanted to change that fan to but it aint posseble its oldered on the pcb

[BetteBalterZen]

1 minute ago, TUGB said:

i wil give you a update on it

i am now waiting for my 200mm noctua fan for the front of  the case  the 2  noctua industrial fans 140mm are delivered so as soon as i have my last fan i put everything together

ow jeah maybe not important  bit i replaced the cooling paste with  thermal grizzly krynaut  pads aswel for the cpu as for the gpu  no messing around anymore with paste

it was a realy f up job  to dissamble the videocard   i wanted to change that fan to but it aint posseble its oldered on the pcb

Cool cool

 

And thermal pads instead of paste? Interesting. Do you have better temps now? 

[TUGB]

i do not know   my pc  is out of order haha i am waiting til i get my 200mm noctua fan   for the front from my case than is place that into my case  and replace  the broken fans from the cpu cooler    which i stick my finger into  caused my fan to almost explode  it was running at max speed so yes that hurted my finger when all new components are build in than i  gonna test the pads here is a link  

 

https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/produkte/298-carbonaut

 

 

where you from if i may ask  

 

 

[BetteBalterZen]

Alright, and I bet that hurt you finger

I'm from Denmark 

[TUGB]

haha yes  the problem was  i heard something tick tick tick comming from my pc  and  that sound came from the corsair h100i cpu cooler  the fan so i was feeling with my finger  if there was a loose cable from the fan  so i stick my finger into it  crushed my fan in 2 pieces haha   i found the real problem it was a screw from the fan haha so yeah i cry from laughing   

 

i am from limburg  south holland

[BetteBalterZen]

59 minutes ago, TUGB said:

haha yes  the problem was  i heard something tick tick tick comming from my pc  and  that sound came from the corsair h100i cpu cooler  the fan so i was feeling with my finger  if there was a loose cable from the fan  so i stick my finger into it  crushed my fan in 2 pieces haha   i found the real problem it was a screw from the fan haha so yeah i cry from laughing   

 

i am from limburg  south holland

Haha sh*t, well, atleast you found the problem

And alright, cool cool 

[TUGB]

haha  i found the problem but it was a kind of hilarious situation  because i was planning  to buy new fans for the cooler