Competitive CSGO / Streaming Upgrade

[Skrt]

Hi i am currently looking to upgrade my current computer since i need more things out of it . I am currently playing competitive csgo and streaming on the side a few days per week . Since i am playing on 240hz  i need to have to get minimum 300fps constant since there are many factors that can impact my performance (smokes in the game and other things ) . So i am currently playing on a i7 4790k and a rtx 2080 from asus . i usually get around 200 fps since csgo is a VERY cpu heavy game . It is especially bad when i stream since it stutters etc. I thought of changing :

1. CPU 

2. MOBO

3. PSU

4. Ram

5. Case

 

My budget is fluctuating from 900-1300 euros for all . I am open to any suggestion (heard new cpu's are coming out? ) . I am looking to upgrade next month if it helps .Thanks in advance

 

[Bombastinator]

What clock on the 4790k?  Also what ram amount and speed?  I don’t know how many threads CSGO eats.  Getting 300fps out of anything in anything is a hard ask.  You probably don’t need more gpu at least.  Case will of course do nothing unless you have a heat problem.  PSU is really unlikely unless it’s underpowered.  If you need more cpu it’s going to be cpu/mobo/ram.  You’ve got the hottest cpu for that mobo type already.  Unless it’s a truly lead clock (which can happen)

to try to get the fps you want out of current hardware (if it’s even possible)

need:

current motherboard make/model

current ram amount/speed

Current cpu cooler make/model

current OC on that 4790k

[m777y]

29 minutes ago, Skrt said:

Hi i am currently looking to upgrade my current computer since i need more things out of it . I am currently playing competitive csgo and streaming on the side a few days per week . Since i am playing on 240hz  i need to have to get minimum 300fps constant since there are many factors that can impact my performance (smokes in the game and other things ) . So i am currently playing on a i7 4790k and a rtx 2080 from asus . i usually get around 200 fps since csgo is a VERY cpu heavy game . It is especially bad when i stream since it stutters etc. I thought of changing :

1. CPU 

2. MOBO

3. PSU

4. Ram

5. Case

 

My budget is fluctuating from 900-1300 euros for all . I am open to any suggestion (heard new cpu's are coming out? ) . I am looking to upgrade next month if it helps .Thanks in advance

 

don't to much follow new tech update. they just make a business monkey. if the stuff what you need available and have a reasonable price, just buy it.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i9-9900KS 4 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€612.90 @ Alza)
CPU Cooler: Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (€54.89 @ ARLT)
Motherboard: Asus TUF Z390-PLUS GAMING (WI-FI) ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€169.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€219.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic ATX Full Tower Case  (€137.28 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€173.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €1367.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-16 04:30 CET+0100

 

[ShinRamen]

PSU might be reusable. I do think even a 3600 will be able to push 300 FPS @ 1080p in CS:GO. If you really need those 400-500 FPS in CS:GO and other esports titles for competitive gaming then Intel is still king = 9900K. 16GB Ram is enough an with Intel not being as picky with ram speeds as ryzen I'd go for a 3200 kit with low latency.

10900K will release in the coming months and has 2 extra cores which might help with streaming, but the 9900K can handle that with ease as well. You will need a beefy cooler though.

 

Your GPU is more than capable for your needs!

[Bombastinator]

@m777y and @ShinRamen

so he needs more CPU then?  He would need some hefty OC and the game would have to be happy with 4 threads to ouch crazy fps in that game.  I dunno 1 way or the other.  A 4790k can hit 5ghz sometimes though.

[ShinRamen]

@Bombastinator

I have no experienxe with the 4790K, so I'm not sure what that chip is capable of, but CS:GO is very CPU intensive - I doubt that CS:GO takes advantage of more than 4 cores, but he mentioned streaming on the side.

I assume in his experience the 4790K just doesn't cut it for his use case.

Here's a potential list. Add any case with good airflow you like (mesh front would be great)

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	€527.90 @ Mindfactory
CPU Cooler	be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	€73.89 @ Aquatuning
Motherboard	Gigabyte Z390 AORUS ELITE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	€174.99 @ Amazon Deutschland
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	€89.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	€110.99 @ Amazon Deutschland
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€977.67
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-16 04:57 CET+0100

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[Bombastinator]

8 minutes ago, ShinRamen said:

@Bombastinator

I have no experienxe with the 4790K, so I'm not sure what that chip is capable of, but CS:GO is very CPU intensive - I doubt that CS:GO takes advantage of more than 4 cores, but he mentioned streaming on the side.

I assume in his experience the 4790K just doesn't cut it for his use case.

I do.  Its the rest of it I’m not familiar with.  It’s fast old 4/8.  Was the Ultimate haswell z97 extreme chip. Ddr3, pcie3. Not sure how well it’s IPC holds up these days, but the thing was the intel power leader for years.  A 4790. (no k) seems to hit between a 1600 and a 2600 in many benches.

If CSGO isnt thread hungry and he’s got a good OC, he might not be out of range.  I just don’t know.  If he’s not OCing his 4790k it won’t.

[ShinRamen]

14 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

I do.  Its the rest of it I’m not familiar with.  It’s fast old 4/8.  Was the Ultimate haswell z97 extreme chip. Ddr3, pcie3. Not sure how well it’s IPC holds up these days, but the thing was the intel power leader for years.  A 4790. (no k) seems to hit between a 1600 and a 2600 in many benches.

If CSGO isnt thread hungry and he’s got a good OC, he might not be out of range.  I just don’t know.  If he’s not OCing his 4790k it won’t.

It would sure be interesting to get some more info on this. What PSU, Ram speeds, OC  or not (as you mentioned), what temperature is the CPU hitting under game load and game settings/launch parameters.

I did a quick google search and found 2 threads by people with a 4970K that were complaining about 150-200 FPS max. No OC.

[Bombastinator]

9 minutes ago, ShinRamen said:

It would sure be interesting to get some more info on this. What PSU, Ram speeds, OC  or not (as you mentioned), what temperature is the CPU hitting under game load and game settings/launch parameters.

I did a quick google search and found 2 threads by people with a 4970K that were complaining about 150-200 FPS max. No OC.

*sigh*. People buy k chips and then don’t OC.  Why pay all that extra money?  No OC it’s 4ghz a good oc and it’s 5ghz.  Might not be enough for that 300fps minimum.  Won’t hit that 500fps.

[m777y]

49 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

*sigh*. People buy k chips and then don’t OC.  Why pay all that extra money?  No OC it’s 4ghz a good oc and it’s 5ghz.  Might not be enough for that 300fps minimum.  Won’t hit that 500fps.

we can't identify what mobo he have. i assume he have poor experience for tweaking hardware. it look when he not try to reach 5ghz for their proc. 1300euro for +- 100 euro to try hsf premium first is to shame.

[Bombastinator]

29 minutes ago, m777y said:

we can't identify what mobo he have. i assume he have poor experience for tweaking hardware. it look when he not try to reach 5ghz for their proc. 1300euro for +- 100 euro to try hsf premium first is to shame.

If he can’t clock on the motherboard he has the 4970k is dead.  Haswell motherboards are rare rare expensive things these days.  The chip can still sell for decent money too.  If the board won’t clock it may not be worth much.  It’s basically got to be a decent z97 for him to have even a shot.

[Skrt]

8 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

What clock on the 4790k?  Also what ram amount and speed?  I don’t know how many threads CSGO eats.  Getting 300fps out of anything in anything is a hard ask.  You probably don’t need more gpu at least.  Case will of course do nothing unless you have a heat problem.  PSU is really unlikely unless it’s underpowered.  If you need more cpu it’s going to be cpu/mobo/ram.  You’ve got the hottest cpu for that mobo type already.  Unless it’s a truly lead clock (which can happen)

to try to get the fps you want out of current hardware (if it’s even possible)

need:

current motherboard make/model

current ram amount/speed

Current cpu cooler make/model

current OC on that 4790k

i forgot to say i am not playing on 1080p . My resolution is  1280x960  in game 

Motherboard is the Asus maximus vii hero

cpu cooler is the h100i 

i am not experienced with overclocking though if i remember correctly some dude made an overclock through the rog software when i first got the pc 5 years ago 

[Skrt]

7 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

*sigh*. People buy k chips and then don’t OC.  Why pay all that extra money?  No OC it’s 4ghz a good oc and it’s 5ghz.  Might not be enough for that 300fps minimum.  Won’t hit that 500fps.

how do i get such a good oc 

[Skrt]

7 hours ago, ShinRamen said:

It would sure be interesting to get some more info on this. What PSU, Ram speeds, OC  or not (as you mentioned), what temperature is the CPU hitting under game load and game settings/launch parameters.

I did a quick google search and found 2 threads by people with a 4970K that were complaining about 150-200 FPS max. No OC.

PSU is rm850x 

Ram speeds i will check and update you right away.

this is my pc when i am in game no stream nothing . There are moments where i hit the 240-300fps on 1280x960 but it doesnt last long also i think my fans are on 100% speed cause everytime i am in game it makes a hell of noise

[Skrt]

so quick update here is my bios 

[Bombastinator]

18 minutes ago, Skrt said:

so quick update here is my bios 

Maximus 7 hero is a z class board and you’ve got room in your temps for OC space.  I’ve got a 4770k not a 4790k which is similar but not identical but more importantly a totally different motherboard, so the methodology is likely different enough I won’t be able to tell you much useful.  Also I was never able to get a good OC on my chip so I’m a poor person to look for for advice on that.

There appear to be several OC guides for that motherboard still online.  They seem to be for 4770k, but the chip is very similar.  Perhaps look at those first.  After looking at those if it’s not enough perhaps a different thread in the cpu /motherboard/memory section specifically looking for Maximus vii hero overclock advice might be useful.  The WILL want to know the type of cpu cooler you got.  If you’re running the stock cooler this may also still end with no useful gains.  Those are pretty low temps for a stock cooler though so there may still be something.  

 

There are probably lots of people here who could give you good advice and also several guides on exactly what steps to take.  It could be worth trying.  Still might not be enough, but it could be. Getting into the 300 range strikes me as not impossible but I could be wrong.  A heavy overclock may require more cooler than you got which may make the whole exercise pointless.
 

The whole thing only may be worth a look.

[m777y]

@skrt
first, change your cpu cooler with dark rock pro 4. i think your cpu cooler is not decent for high overclocking.
then learn about tutorial overclocking cpu. it have a step by step. if you have understand, reach all core to @ 4.9/5 Ghz.

don't forget make a good airflow(learn cable management if needed) at your case for avoid over heat.

hope you have stable 300fps. good luck!

[Bombastinator]

4 minutes ago, m777y said:

@skrt
first, change your cpu cooler with dark rock pro 4. i think your cpu cooler is not decent for high overclocking.
then learn about tutorial overclocking cpu. it have a step by step. if you have understand, reach all core to @ 4.9/5 Ghz.

don't forget make a good airflow(learn cable management if needed) at your case for avoid over heat.

hope you have stable 300fps. good luck!

What cooler does he have?  I didn’t see that bit.  There were a bunch of old aftermarket air coolers at the time that fit 1150 which could be good for this.

[m777y]

4 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

What cooler does he have?  I didn’t see that bit.  There were a bunch of old aftermarket air coolers at the time that fit 1150 which could be good for this.

corsair h100i, made in 2012. i think the liquid already gone/not good anymore, then he tell got noisy

[Skrt]

Just now, m777y said:

corsair h100i, made in 2012. i think the liquid already gone/not good anymore, then he tell got noisy

yes it might have gone bad but i think in general the temps are not that crazy just the fans are way too loud

[Skrt]

10 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

What cooler does he have?  I didn’t see that bit.  There were a bunch of old aftermarket air coolers at the time that fit 1150 which could be good for this.

i have 4.5 on core 0 and core 1 the rest is 4.3 . i tried to sync all cores and it just crashes after 2 mins .is this ok ? should i change something

[m777y]

@skrt

try to play at 1280x1024 resolution(not 960). maybe have different result.

i hear issue about rtx 2080 get poor performance at low resolution.

[Bombastinator]

3 minutes ago, m777y said:

corsair h100i, made in 2012. i think the liquid already gone/not good anymore, then he tell got noisy

Yep that’s old for an AIO.  I’m a bit hesitant to put more money into a machine this old but a dark rock will fit both this machine and a newer one so it’s possibly worth doing.  If the whole thing turns out to be a bust it could still be put on an am4 system.

[Skrt]

Just now, m777y said:

@skrt

try to play at 1280x1024 resolution(not 960). maybe have different result.

i hear issue about rtx 2080 get poor performance at low resolution.

i think the engine of the game is very cpu intensive . i dont know if the the resolution change will help and i have about 8000 hours clocked on that resolution so it will be a hell of a change for me 

[Skrt]

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

Yep that’s old for an AIO.

is my overclock etc ok or should i try to push it more