Terrible/Low FPS in Rust

[Chiipo]

First, here are my PC specs.

Ryzen 2700x

MSI rtx2080 gaming x trio

Crosshair Hero Vii (no wifi)

16Gb 3200 Mhz Corsair RGB vengeance pro

EVGA 750G3

Viewsonic XG240R (1920x1080)

 

I will try to highlight what I consider important as well as a TL;DR at the end since I plan to be thorough in my explanation. 

 

History

I have had the PC for 8 months. It is the first PC I ever built, however I haven't had any problems with it outside of this. Assuming this is a "problem" and not something that affects more people than me.

 

"Problem"

While this is my first PC and I am enjoying it immensely, I always feel like I am lacking a little performance. Especially for the money I spent on it even after considering the performance per dollar of something like the 2080. For example, in Rust I get around 80 fps on some maps with low-mid settings at 1080p. Even though I saw reviews of a similar pc (2700x and rtx 2080) getting around the same performance on a higher resolution with maxed settings. In fact, the only game I am able to run at max settings, 1080p, and 144 fps+ is Rocket League but I know RL is easy to run which is why it stays pinned at 230s-250 most of the time. However when I play something like PUBG (apples and oranges I know) I run low-mid graphics wise and sometimes hit the limit I have set at 144 fps. Usually somewhere between 60-90 if I remember correctly. Now to what REALLY is messing with me. The particular map I play on Rust is a custom map which is known to cause poor fps. Most people somewhere around 50s-60s with mid tier PCs from what I have seen people talking about in the game chat. However, I get low 50s with the ABSOLUTE LOWEST settings possible in Rust. so low that I cannot even make out the designs of skins on boxes and etc. They just look like blobs of color in a rectangular shape. When I crank the settings up I get around 30s-sometimes a peak of mid or high 40s. And usual drops to lower than 30s. However, last night I was getting constant drops to 6 fps (+ or - a couple) and as low as 2 fps. After a while I re-logged into the server and the insane drops were fixed, so at least it is not always that extreme.

 

Hardware info (?)

Monitored using RivaTuner through MSI Afterburner

While playing I am usually hovering around high 20s-occasionally high 30s for GPU usage. My clock speed never leaves the base clock of 1515 Mhz, except when I was experiencing the HARD fps drops last night. When the usage would spike to higher 30s and the clock speed would raise to at most 1980Mhz (at least the highest that I saw). My thermals have always been great. or at least what I would consider great for running stock air coolers. last night during the hard fps drops the highest temp I saw on my GPU was 53c even after playing for the whole day/night as it was my last day to play before classes start up again. As for the CPU I never saw anything I would consider abnormal. The usages were fine. The "overall?" usage was usually around mid 20s-mid 30s. I added all 16 threads (Im assuming it is the different threads since it is an 8 core 16 thread cpu) that are labeled CPU₁,CPU₂, and so on. Across all of those the highest peak usage I saw was maybe somewhere around high 50s and mid 60s. And only for a split second. And to be honest I think it might have been when I was Tabbing back into the game. (I am running a bunch of "mumble jumble" things like discord, synapse, Ghub, afterburner/rivatuner, some lighting programs, and etc. but I believe the sum of all those programs only adds a couple percent or so between all the background processes.) Usually the usage on the different threads (once again some of my terminology is probably off) was as low as 2% and around mid to high 30%. Probably also hitting 40% but I don't recall seeing it hit 40s so I don't want to say it for sure did. CPU temps were around mid 40s to mid 50s I believe. That might be a little inaccurate as I was more so focused on watching usages rather than temps since in the past 8 months I have never seen the CPU temp hit anything near thermal limit. Highest temp I have seen during gaming is probably RL or Modern Warfare where it has hit 60c. As far as Overclocking, I have not run an OC for any meaningful amount of time. For the GPU I used the "OCscanner tool" in afterburner and got something like a 60mhz oc I think. But after running some benchmarks and playing with it for a week or so I decided to go back to normal. However, I did try to manual OC it following a few guides. I increased thermal limit and power limit sliders in afterburner and went up 10 mhz at a time until I saw artifacting in Heaven. Then back down until it went away. I saved the profile and thought I went back to the default profile where I only have custome fan curves but I accidentally chose to boot windows and use the manual oc profile. My games were crashing for a day or two before I noticed and then actually did change back to the default profile for real. However during that time I did not see anything out of the ordinary as far as artifacts or other signs. simply crashes. and since the main game I played at the time (rocket league) recently had an update the day I decided to OC, I thought they accidentally bugged something in the update causing it to crash. As far as CPU OC I usually let the "auto" boosting stuff do its thing. Only thing I did there was play around with some of the profiles that come pre-made in the BIOS and enable PBO to see what performance it gave before reverting back to default in less than a day. And if I am correct all PBO does is allow the chip to boost as high as it can as long as certain parameters are in check. (once again, I am a noob when it comes to knowing how parts interact with each other and the different terminology. The extent of my experience is building my pc as well as helping my brother build an identical one.) When I check GPU drivers through device manager it shows some driver from January 29th, but in geforce experience it is saying I have one installed from February 3rd. I don't know if device manager is showing a "windows" driver or something, like maybe it is showing some driver windows uses to "interact" with the card. I am not sure what the terminology is but I am in now way claiming that is what is happening. just what I assume it could be.\

 

What I have tried

So far I have done two things that solved other peoples similar problems in other games. I have tried to disable HPET, as some people have claimed it makes a world of difference. I have uninstalled the GPU drivers using DDU and reinstalled them with geforce experience. The version  in geforce experience matches the version I can download from their site. That is about as much as I found online that seemed would be the solution to my problem. 

 

TL;DR

2700x, rtx2080. Unusually low performance in rust. around 30% gpu usage, good temps. around 20s-30% cpu usage and good temps. getting a good 10-15 fps below other peoples normal fps and not irregular to drop as well. last night hit a TERRIBLE constant drop to single digit fps. seemed to fix itself with re-logging into server. Have tried disabling HPET, and reinstalling GPU drivers after uninstalling with DDU.

 

Edit

The driver geforce experience is saying I have installed is Version 442.19, released February 3rd 2020. Windows is saying I have driver 26.21.14.4219, released January 29th 2020. I assume these are the same now since they share "44219" just some more numbers in the windows version. I could be totally wrong though. The windows build I have been running is 17763.1012, and just last night after playing I updated to the newest build 17763.1039.

[Constantin]

Long story short maybe in another thread???

This is darn to long...

 

[Chiipo]

4 minutes ago, Constantin said:

Long story short maybe in another thread???

This is darn to long...

 

sorry I am new to the forum and thought this would be the correct place. I will look more carefully for the right place.

[HeddaShooter]

tried reinstalling drivers?

[Constantin]

1 minute ago, Chiipo said:

sorry I am new to the forum and thought this would be the correct place. I will look more carefully for the right place.

It is the correct place to help people. but you write pages, when you can describe with much less!

[Chiipo]

1 minute ago, Constantin said:

It is the correct place to help people. but you write pages, when you can describe with much less!

It is true that I could write less. Though I would rather write too much and give a tldr at the end for people who do not want to read it rather than write too little/vauge and not give enough for someone to work off of

[Chiipo]

5 minutes ago, HeddaShooter said:

tried reinstalling drivers?

Yes. I used DDU to uninstall them as well.

[Stu_Bear]

14 minutes ago, Chiipo said:

The particular map I play on Rust is a custom map which is known to cause poor fps. Most people somewhere around 50s-60s with mid tier PCs from what I have seen people talking about in the game chat.

Think you hit the nail on the head there.  Lots of variables with online and "custom maps".  What's your internet speed like?  What kind of drive you using?  Sata SSD or HDD or NVMe ?

[Chiipo]

Just now, Stu_Bear said:

Think you hit the nail on the head there.  Lots of variables with online and "custom maps".  What's your internet speed like?  What kind of drive you using?  Sata SSD or HDD or NVMe ?

I am using a sata ssd. (Samsung 860 evo). My internet is adequate for gaming. 100mbps down I believe and I usually don't have any problem with lag or lag spikes even while other people in the house are streaming movies. I had a friend suggest maybe my ssd is on its way out, but could that even affect fps in a game.

[Stu_Bear]

2 minutes ago, Chiipo said:

I am using a sata ssd. (Samsung 860 evo). My internet is adequate for gaming. 100mbps down I believe and I usually don't have any problem with lag or lag spikes even while other people in the house are streaming movies. I had a friend suggest maybe my ssd is on its way out, but could that even affect fps in a game.

Any drive in any degree of health can effect FPS.  The textures and maps may -or- may not be entirely loaded at the start of the game.  The game DayZ comes to mind.  Game is constantly fetching chunks of textures and maps from your drive as you are running around like an idiot with zombies/assholes chasing you.  

 

I've since installed all my games on NVMe...left only the OS and apps on my SSD.  No stutters nor low FPS, but again lots of variables at work here.  How large of a map are you playing on?  DayZ uses insanely large maps...maybe just for bragging rights.

[Tristerin]

6 minutes ago, Chiipo said:

I am using a sata ssd. (Samsung 860 evo). My internet is adequate for gaming. 100mbps down I believe and I usually don't have any problem with lag or lag spikes even while other people in the house are streaming movies. I had a friend suggest maybe my ssd is on its way out, but could that even affect fps in a game.

 

Quick question, and Im assuming here - did you migrate the operating system from another PC imaging to the M.2 boot drive?  Or is this a fresh clean install of Windows 10?  Ill be honest I didn't read the entire wall of text, just skimmed.

[Tristerin]

And for clarity there is no difference in gaming from an SATA SSD, NVMe SSD, or SATA M.2 SSD.  They are NOT the bottleneck in todays standards.

[Stu_Bear]

1 minute ago, Tristerin said:

And for clarity there is no difference in gaming from an SATA SSD, NVMe SSD, or SATA M.2 SSD.  They are NOT the bottleneck in todays standards.

Please try playing DayZ on the different drives and let me know what you think.

[Chiipo]

Just now, Stu_Bear said:

Any drive in any degree of health can effect FPS.  The textures and maps may -or- may not be entirely loaded at the start of the game.  The game DayZ comes to mind.  Game is constantly fetching chunks of textures and maps from your drive as you are running around like an idiot with zombies/assholes chasing you.  

 

I've since installed all my games on NVMe...left only the OS and apps on my SSD.  No stutters nor low FPS, but again lots of variables at work here.  How large of a map are you playing on?  DayZ uses insanely large maps...maybe just for bragging rights.

Great to know. Thank you! As far as map size it isn't too big of a map. Its somewhere in the middle of rust maps I would say. I have certainly played much much larger maps with better fps, and much smaller ones too. Someone did say that this custom map has more objects loaded in at all times compared to other maps which is why everyones fps is lower. it just seems mine is consistently lower across the board compared to others. Even when compared to builds that are significantly more "low end". 

[Tristerin]

2 minutes ago, Stu_Bear said:

Please try playing DayZ on the different drives and let me know what you think.

The issue is NOT the SSD transfer of information.  The retrieval time is lightspeed ahead of the other components in your rig.  Not going to argue with you about this.  Others smarter than us have proven this already and its just some google searches away.

 

EDIT - I have Rust, and DayZ and play the hell out of them, my rigs don't have OPs issues and get better FPS.  

 

 

[Chiipo]

4 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

 

Quick question, and Im assuming here - did you migrate the operating system from another PC imaging to the M.2 boot drive?  Or is this a fresh clean install of Windows 10?  Ill be honest I didn't read the entire wall of text, just skimmed.

it is fresh install of windows. installed it from an external drive onto a brand new ssd 8 months ago when building my pc for the first time.

[Tristerin]

2 minutes ago, Chiipo said:

it is fresh install of windows. installed it from an external drive onto a brand new ssd 8 months ago when building my pc for the first time.

Installed from an external drive...do you mean you loaded an ISO (fresh install) or transferred the image from the external drive?

 

EDIT - Im hitting the road for a bit, if this isn't resolved when I get back on a PC will continue to hunt down how to fix!

[Chiipo]

3 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Installed from an external drive...do you mean you loaded an ISO (fresh install) or transferred the image from the external drive?

ISO? (not sure what that means.) I downloaded the "windows media creation tool" or whatever the exact name is and loaded it onto an external drive, then when I was first starting my PC I booted from the external drive and went through the setup to install the OS on my ssd. Sorry I am not sure of all the exact terminology.

 

Edit- Thank you so much! I am fine if due to some reason my hardware just cannot perform any better. I just feel like its not using all the performance it can. Although I do not have any solid reason to believe so other than constant low GPU usage and it never leaving the base clock of 1515. Which if i am correct is due to the low usage.

[Stu_Bear]

Have you run a health check on your SSD ?

[Tristerin]

1 minute ago, Chiipo said:

ISO? (not sure what that means.) I downloaded the "windows media creation tool" or whatever the exact name is and loaded it onto an external drive, then when I was first starting my PC I booted from the external drive and went through the setup to install the OS on my ssd. Sorry I am not sure of all the exact terminology.

That is the correct terminology, the media creation tool is the ISO

 

Was ensuring this wasn't an image of an OS transferred from an existing already created OS (not ISO).  Im hitting the road now will revisit this topic in a few hours unless you have gotten a resolution by then!

[Chiipo]

2 minutes ago, Stu_Bear said:

Have you run a health check on your SSD ?

I have not but I will. I will post the results when I find out. Any suggestions on the best tool/way to do so? I am searching for the best way but figured I would ask as well since some of the different benchmark/stress test tools that turn up in my searches have gotten bad reps.

 

[Stu_Bear]

Use the CHKDSK tool...go to windows explorer...right click on the "C:" drive...select "Properties".  Then select the "Tools" tab.  Then select the "Check" button under "Error Checking".

[Chiipo]

7 minutes ago, Stu_Bear said:

Use the CHKDSK tool...go to windows explorer...right click on the "C:" drive...select "Properties".  Then select the "Tools" tab.  Then select the "Check" button under "Error Checking".

There were no errors found.

Edit- I am also going to check with samsungs tool just to be safe. Samsung Magician tool also says the drive is in good health.

[Tristerin]

1 hour ago, Chiipo said:

There were no errors found.

Edit- I am also going to check with samsungs tool just to be safe. Samsung Magician tool also says the drive is in good health.

What servers are you picking and what is their ping?  I know RUST doesn't allow certain latencies to join servers due to the rubber banding in PvP that those high pingers want.  

 

In reality its likely a network latency issue due to the mods, and coding of the game.  Same reason my RR2 in sig gets the same FPS in WoW during raids as my buddy gets on his i7 9700k + 2080ti Kingpin with the same settings, we are just throttled by the network feeding us information.

 

The best way to test this, is if there was an Offline mode.  GTA5 is one of the great examples of PCs able to hit 120+ FPS in offline, but 80 or so or less during Online play.

[Chiipo]

54 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

What servers are you picking and what is their ping?  I know RUST doesn't allow certain latencies to join servers due to the rubber banding in PvP that those high pingers want.  

 

In reality its likely a network latency issue due to the mods, and coding of the game.  Same reason my RR2 in sig gets the same FPS in WoW during raids as my buddy gets on his i7 9700k + 2080ti Kingpin with the same settings, we are just throttled by the network feeding us information.

 

The best way to test this, is if there was an Offline mode.  GTA5 is one of the great examples of PCs able to hit 120+ FPS in offline, but 80 or so or less during Online play.

According to rust my ping is 49. I also double checked through windows and it came back as 51.