Which Super? 70 or 80?

[NightRavenEX]

Hi, I'm planning on building a new setup entirely for gaming. Such as Dota, Witcher 3, Star Wars Fallen Order and future games.

Need help to decide on which graphic card to use: 2070 super or 2080 super.

Currently i've been using a 1060 so to me a 2070 super is a good upgrade. However i've receive feedbacks that i should get a 2080 super.

I would like to know if i REALLY need that 2080 super to futureproof my setup for around 10 years of usage. 

 

Below is my planned setup:-

CPU	Core i7 9700F
Motherboard	Gigabyte H370 Aorus Gaming 3
GPU	?????
RAM	G.Skill Trident-Z RGB 3200 C16
Primary Storage For Booting	Samsung 970 EVO Plus 250GB
Secondary for Gaming	ADATA SX8200 PRO 2TB
Power Supply	CORSAIR HX750
Case	NZXT H710i
CPU cooler	Cooler Master Hyper 212 LED

[MartinKweh]

just wondering why Intel just gives 8 cores and 8 threads instead of 8 cores and 16 threads. i like how their boost even on non overclocked CPU to reach near 5Ghz(yes i know, different architecture means different performance per frequency) but why charge that high on a CPU?

[Eigenvektor]

10 years is a huge time frame to be making any kind of prediction. If DXR takes off, any first-gen card is not going to cut it for long. But sure, the faster card should, in theory, be able to play games for longer. But in that sense, for 10 years, why not go with the 2080 Ti?

[MrSimplicity]

5 minutes ago, NightRavenEX said:

Hi, I'm planning on building a new setup entirely for gaming. Such as Dota, Witcher 3, Star Wars Fallen Order and future games.

Need help to decide on which graphic card to use: 2070 super or 2080 super.

Currently i've been using a 1060 so to me a 2070 super is a good upgrade. However i've receive feedbacks that i should get a 2080 super.

I would like to know if i REALLY need that 2080 super to futureproof my setup for around 10 years of usage.

Unless you plan on upgrading you're CPU then a 2070 super will do you just fine.

If you were to upgrade to a CPU that boosts to something over 4Ghz then a 2080 Super would be the better choice.

[MrSimplicity]

5 minutes ago, Eigenvektor said:

why not go with the 2080 Ti?

Price per dollar isn't that big of a jump from a 2070 Super to a 2080TI other than the increase in Vram and Vram Speed. I had a 2070 Super for about a month before i went and returned it for a 2080 TI and didn't see much of a difference in performance between the two cards, despite it being twice the price, with everything that i play.

[NightRavenEX]

1 minute ago, MrSimplicity said:

Price per dollar isn't that big of a jump from a 2070 Super to a 2080TI other than the increase in Vram and Vram Speed. I had a 2070 Super for about a month before i went and returned it for a 2080 TI and didn't see much of a difference in performance between the two cards with everything that i play.

Yeah im wondering like your kinda situation. Honestly speaking i doubt i would be able to see a difference in the visuals etc. Sure i can save up a bit for to buy a 2080 but i was wondering if i REALLY need it? 

[NightRavenEX]

7 minutes ago, MrSimplicity said:

Unless you plan on upgrading you're CPU then a 2070 super will do you just fine.

If you were to upgrade to a CPU that boosts to something over 4Ghz then a 2080 Super would be the better choice.

Mind recommending some CPU and motherboard just for me to take note?

[MrSimplicity]

Just now, NightRavenEX said:

Yeah im wondering like your kinda situation. Honestly speaking i doubt i would be able to see a difference in the visuals etc. Sure i can save up a bit for to buy a 2080 but i was wondering if i REALLY need it? 

as i said if you don't plan on upgrading your CPU then you should just stay set on getting a 2070 Super

[Eigenvektor]

Just now, MrSimplicity said:

Price per dollar isn't that big of a jump from a 2070 Super to a 2080TI other than the increase in Vram and Vram Speed. I had a 2070 Super for about a month before i went and returned it for a 2080 TI and didn't see much of a difference in performance between the two cards with everything that i play.

I wasn't entirely serious with my comment. The faster you go, the worse perf/$ gets.

 

I'm just saying, if you want to be "future proof", the fastest card should last the longest. But really, 10 years is way too long to make a prediction how good a card will keep up. Like I said, if ray tracing takes off, your first-gen RTX card will be outdated pretty quickly, even the fastest one.

 

I had this issue several years ago. My card was still fine, speed wise, but it lacked features like multi-textures etc. that made lots of games unplayable because some textures were simply black. The same thing could happen again, where the card is fast enough, but lacks hardware features that games need.

[MrSimplicity]

Just now, NightRavenEX said:

Mind recommending some CPU and motherboard just for me to take note?

Got a price range? it really depends on that.

[NightRavenEX]

9 minutes ago, Eigenvektor said:

10 years is a huge time frame to be making any kind of prediction. If DXR takes off, any first-gen card is not going to cut it for long. But sure, the faster card should, in theory, be able to play games for longer. But in that sense, for 10 years, why not go with the 2080 Ti?

Yeah i mean i could probably save up a bit more to buy it, but do i REALLY need it? Its not like i need to play on ultra on future games. Im probably fine with med or high resolution too as long as those future game (which i assume will have higher vram usage than current game) are playable.

[MrSimplicity]

1 minute ago, Eigenvektor said:

I wasn't entirely serious with my comment. The faster you go, the worse perf/$ gets.

 

I'm just saying, if you want to be "future proof", the fastest card should last the longest. But really, 10 years is way too long to make a prediction how good a card will keep up. Like I said, if ray tracing takes off, your first-gen RTX card will be outdated pretty quickly, even the fastest one.

 

I had this issue several years ago. My card was still fine, speed wise, but it lacked features like multi-textures etc. that made lots of games unplayable because some textures were simply black. The same thing could happen again, where the card is fast enough, but lacks hardware features that games need.

Yeah i upgraded from 2x 980Ti's and the only big difference was a bit increase in FPS but that fact i could turn on shadows without frame dropping.

 

As far as future proofing I suppose im probably going to be upgrading again no longer than 5 years again or just slowly here and there every year or two. As you know "future proof" will never be a thing.

[MrSimplicity]

Just now, NightRavenEX said:

Yeah i mean i could probably save up a bit more to buy it, but do i REALLY need it? Its not like i need to play on ultra on future games. Im probably fine with med or high resolution too as long as those future game (which i assume will have higher vram usage than current game) are playable.

Real quick what resolution / Hz is your monitor?

[Eigenvektor]

1 minute ago, NightRavenEX said:

Yeah i mean i could probably save up a bit more to buy it, but do i REALLY need it? Its not like i need to play on ultra on future games. Im probably fine with med or high resolution too as long as those future game (which i assume will have higher vram usage than current game) are playable.

In terms of cost and "future proofing", a mid-range card that you upgrade a few years down the line is always going to be more cost effective. The downside would be that you might not be able to do max details for very long.

[NightRavenEX]

3 minutes ago, MrSimplicity said:

Got a price range? it really depends on that.

I'm from Singapore so the price here differs much with online and US market. And im purchasing the parts from a single shop so that they can assist in assembling it. (Noob here, cant assemble and not risking it) 

 

You can probably add another 50 - 100 USD to it just to give you an idea or the range i guess...

 

Thanks

[MrSimplicity]

Just now, NightRavenEX said:

I'm from Singapore so the price here differs much with online and US market. And im purchasing the parts from a single shop so that they can assist in assembling it. (Noob here, cant assemble and not risking it) 

 

You can probably add another 50 - 100 USD to it just to give you an idea or the range i guess...

 

Thanks

I meant how much you were willing to spend telling what the assembly cost is doesn't help me one bit.

[NightRavenEX]

9 minutes ago, Eigenvektor said:

I wasn't entirely serious with my comment. The faster you go, the worse perf/$ gets.

 

I'm just saying, if you want to be "future proof", the fastest card should last the longest. But really, 10 years is way too long to make a prediction how good a card will keep up. Like I said, if ray tracing takes off, your first-gen RTX card will be outdated pretty quickly, even the fastest one.

 

I had this issue several years ago. My card was still fine, speed wise, but it lacked features like multi-textures etc. that made lots of games unplayable because some textures were simply black. The same thing could happen again, where the card is fast enough, but lacks hardware features that games need.

Oh dang, didnt know about that. Thanks for informing. Perhaps would be a better choice to wait it out abit more since theres rumors of Nvidia's 30 series coming out? 

[MrSimplicity]

Just now, NightRavenEX said:

Oh dang, didnt know about that. Thanks for informing. Perhaps would be a better choice to wait it out abit more since theres rumors of Nvidia's 30 series coming out? 

If they do anything it's going to be 2100 series.

[NightRavenEX]

9 minutes ago, MrSimplicity said:

Real quick what resolution / Hz is your monitor?

Currently its 1920 x 1080 and it think 60Hz.

Still deciding to get either the ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q or Aorus CV27Q.

But that'll be after the desktop.

[NightRavenEX]

9 minutes ago, MrSimplicity said:

I meant how much you were willing to spend telling what the assembly cost is doesn't help me one bit.

If you're refering to the motherboard and CPU only then, i wouldnt mind up to around $500 USD?

[MrSimplicity]

1 minute ago, NightRavenEX said:

Currently its 1920 x 1080 and it think 60Hz.

Still deciding to get either the ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q or Aorus CV27Q.

But that'll be after the desktop.

OK, with upgrading in mind, get the 2070 Super, get a new CPU/Mobo. then getting a 1440p monitor should be just fine. if you're "future proofing" getting a 2080 Super would only get you an extra 6-12 for the extra $200-$300 USD that it will cost.

[MrSimplicity]

8 minutes ago, NightRavenEX said:

If you're refering to the motherboard and CPU only then, i wouldnt mind up to around $500 USD?

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4XLNPn

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor 

 

Motherboard: ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX AM4 Motherboard

 

Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB ARMOR OC Video Card

 

 

EDIT: If you want to you can get a 5700 XT to match the AMD for cheaper than a 2070 Super for same performance

[Eigenvektor]

17 minutes ago, NightRavenEX said:

Oh dang, didnt know about that. Thanks for informing. Perhaps would be a better choice to wait it out abit more since theres rumors of Nvidia's 30 series coming out? 

Hard so say, really. If I could predict the future, I'd play the lottery But DXR/RTX is so new, it's quite possible there will be additional hardware features in the future. Not to mention that sooner or later AMD will join the fun.

 

Think about it another way: You could buy a 2080 Ti for $1000+ and keep it for 10 years, our you could buy a $300-$350 card every three years instead. It won't be as fast (now), but you'll be able to stay more current and at some point that future mid-range card will be faster than a 2080 Ti

[NightRavenEX]

Thanks for the input guys! I'll take some time to think this through. 

[Midnitewolf]

10 years is really, really ambitious.  Honestly with PC's generally I recommend thinking in terms of 3-5 years especially in terms of being able to play the new AAA titles as they come out at medium to high settings.  However the answer is easy, go with the 2080 Super simply because the extra 10-15% of performance will directly translate into longevity.  Technically you could be looking at up to a year's worth of extra longevity out of that performance before you reach a point where you can no longer tolerate the settings and fps your getting from the card.

 

Another option if your on a budget and one I have used pretty extensively over the years when money was tight is instead of spending $600-$700 on a card today, bring your budget down to $300-$400 and just plan to replace you GPU 3-5 years down the road instead of trying to stretch a $700 GPU out for 6-10 year.  I can pretty much assure you that any card you spend $300-$400 on 3-5 years down the road will outperform the $700 GPU you bought today.

 

Right now I would say the 5700XT is holding that sweet spot especially since you can buy them as little as $370 right now.   Buy that now and it will give you at least 3-4 years of solid 1080p performance and maybe even 1440p performance.  Then in 3-5 years when you can barely run the new AAA titles at medium and 60 fps, spend another $300-$400 on whatever sweet spot card is currently available and go for another 3-5 years on that card.  I would bet this would give you a better overall gaming experience than trying to game on a 2080 Super 6-10 years down the road.