confused watercooling

[gampla]

im confuse people say the rule of thumb for watercooling is 120mm + 120mm per block if thats the case why would corsair bring out 120mm aio loops but custom loops you need a 240 min

[boggle4321]

the single rad aios are for aesthetics more than preformance

[gampla]

the single rad aios are for aesthetics more than preformance

maybe but if thats the case why do cars have 1 radiator eg my fiesta has a 580 rad but for me to cool ram cpu gpu i need a 480mm rad yet a car produces more heat than any pc

[prolemur]

maybe but if thats the case why do cars have 1 radiator eg my fiesta has a 580 rad but for me to cool ram cpu gpu i need a 480mm rad yet a car produces more heat than any pc

I think the speed of the air going into your cars radiator would be faster than a fan which would dissipate the heat better

[gampla]

I think the speed of the air going into your cars radiator would be faster than a fan which would dissipate the heat better

not really when your car or any car is ideling airs not moving isit

[warmmilk]

one of the main reasons people do watercooling is for a quiet system.  you can do a single 120 per heat source, but you'll have to run the fans a bit faster (louder) to maintain good temps (lower than air).  the 120 per heat source + another 120 is to maintain a quieter system than you would have on air.

 

Although you can run a single 120 per heat source, have a quieter system than air, and roughly equal temps to air...

[prolemur]

not really when your car or any car is ideling airs not moving isit

and when your car is idling there isn't a need for much cooling because it's hardly working. Just like in computer the fans accelerate when needed and slow down when they are not needed. Radiator fans don't need to be spinning fast to cool a system in idle but they do if the computer is under load.

[legopc]

I think the speed of the air going into your cars radiator would be faster than a fan which would dissipate the heat better

dont forget the giant fan and the fact that the car is moving and so is the air 

[gampla]

one of the main reasons people do watercooling is for a quiet system.  you can do a single 120 per heat source, but you'll have to run the fans a bit faster (louder) to maintain good temps (lower than air).  the 120 per heat source + another 120 is to maintain a quieter system than you would have on air.

 

Although you can run a single 120 per heat source, have a quieter system than air, and roughly equal temps to air...

so would a ek xt120 rad keep a cpu loop cool?

[warmmilk]

so would a ek xt120 rad keep a cpu loop cool?

yes, and prolly better (not by much) than any air cooler or AIO on the market

[prolemur]

so would a ek xt120 rad keep a cpu loop cool?

if you're only getting a 120/240mm it is generally said to get an all in one from corsair, coolermaster or nzxt because the performance is close and the price is much cheaper.

[warmmilk]

if you're only getting a 120/240mm it is generally said to get an all in one from corsair, coolermaster or nzxt because the performance is close and the price is much cheaper.

 

I'm willing to bet $2.50 that a custom loop with that single EK rad will out perform any 120 or 240 AIO (not sure about the 360 ones)  EDIT: at assuming equal fans and fan speed, not something awesome on the AIO and the cheapest crap at 600 rpm on the custom loop

bet amount is small because I'm not 100% sure I'm right in this, but I am willing to bet

 

and with this, you can always expand the loop later on... can't do that with an AIO.  and its not necessarily *much* cheaper...  I can put together a cpu only 120 loop for under 200.  AIO's get up in the 130's, sometimes even more...  USD, not sure about other currencies... 

[prolemur]

I'm willing to bet $2.50 that a custom loop with that single EK rad will out perform any 120 or 240 AIO (not sure about the 360 ones)  EDIT: at assuming equal fans and fan speed, not something awesome on the AIO and the cheapest crap at 600 rpm on the custom loop

bet amount is small because I'm not 100% sure I'm right in this, but I am willing to bet

 

and with this, you can always expand the loop later on... can't do that with an AIO.  and its not necessarily *much* cheaper...  I can put together a cpu only 120 loop for under 200.  AIO's get up in the 130's, sometimes even more...  USD, not sure about other currencies... 

You can get an h80i for around $90-100 which is much cheaper than $200. Obviously it will not perform as well as the custom loop, but unless you're considering upgrading to a full loop, need that slight performance increase or just want it to be custom there isn't much point in getting a custom loop for a 120mm radiator than an aio.

[warmmilk]

You can get an h80i for around $90-100 which is much cheaper than $200. Obviously it will not perform as well as the custom loop, but unless you're considering upgrading to a full loop, need that slight performance increase or just want it to be custom there isn't much point in getting a custom loop for a 120mm radiator than an aio.

 

I was thinking more h100i or h220...  a single 120 AIO won't hold a candle to a custom loop with a 120 rad temps wise...  

 

actual cpu performance difference will be minimal though, I agree with you.  maybe not in benchmarks, but in stuff you actually do it'll be almost the same.  for example my system will encode a 30 min vid in 6 mins at stock clock, and at 5 min 30 at 4.6 GHz.  difference in gaming is even less

 

edit:

but honestly, if I were to watercool just 1 thing, I'd do the GPU.  in my experience they're much louder than cpu with a good air cooler, even the cards with "quiet" coolers

[gampla]

so h80i with 37 thick rad more than enough

[LukaP]

yep. 

[MrPanda]

maybe but if thats the case why do cars have 1 radiator eg my fiesta has a 580 rad but for me to cool ram cpu gpu i need a 480mm rad yet a car produces more heat than any pc

I think that is not the radiator for the engine. It should be for the transmission or the condenser for the ac.

[airdeano]

so h80i with 37 thick rad more than enough

 

it would be enough, but depending on your overclocking skills and tolerance to

fan noise, the H80i is 24° warmer than the H100i solution using the same fans:

(oh and 95° is a fail temperature for water cooling)

 

 

the single fan systems are for just enough, but usually with blazing fan speeds to

make up for the lack of radiator support.

 

my general rule is a 240 for the CPU loop and 120 for each water block installed

to keep temperatures at an acceptable level and fan speeds low enough to enjoy

the calm and quiet when the system is under a full loaded situation.

[gampla]

what bout on stock 3570k?

it would be enough, but depending on your overclocking skills and tolerance to

fan noise, the H80i is 24° warmer than the H100i solution using the same fans:

(oh and 95° is a fail temperature for water cooling)

 

 

 

the single fan systems are for just enough, but usually with blazing fan speeds to

make up for the lack of radiator support.

 

my general rule is a 240 for the CPU loop and 120 for each water block installed

to keep temperatures at an acceptable level and fan speeds low enough to enjoy

the calm and quiet when the system is under a full loaded situation.

[airdeano]

what bout on stock 3570k?

 

then i'd say you are over-spending in your money for a stock clocked CPU, unless

you plan on overclocking, just use a good air-cooler like the cooler master 212 series.

[gampla]

too big for antec one