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All right!

So, this is my current PC:

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3 GHz 6-Core Processor  
CPU Cooler Corsair H115i 104.65 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler £127.99 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard Asus RAMPAGE V EXTREME/U3 EATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard £440.05 @ Amazon UK
Memory G.Skill Aegis 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory £146.06 @ Amazon UK
Storage Samsung 840 Series 120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  
Storage Samsung 840 EVO 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  
Storage Samsung 840 Pro Series 256 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  
Storage Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive £76.10 @ Amazon UK
Storage Samsung 950 PRO 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  
Storage Seagate Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  
Storage Toshiba N300 8 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive £186.98 @ CCL Computers
Video Card Zotac GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11 GB AMP Extreme Video Card  
Case be quiet! Dark Base 900 ATX Full Tower Case £161.98 @ Laptops Direct
Power Supply Corsair Professional 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit £83.00 @ Amazon UK
Monitor Asus ROG SWIFT PG348Q 34.0" 3440x1440 100 Hz Monitor £815.98 @ Amazon UK
Monitor LG 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60 Hz Monitor £269.00 @ Amazon UK
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total £2307.14
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-29 19:41 BST+0100  

 

I want to upgrade and downsize it at the same time.

Here are the issues/goals:

 

- It's too big. I no longer need an E-ATX motherboard. I want to go as small as possible.

- Too many different sizes and generations of SSDs. I will be replacing all of them with ONE 2TB SSD.

- I'd like the motherboard to have 3 M.2 slots, one for system and two for a RAID 0 cache for video editing.

- I'll be moving both HDDs outside of the PC into a NAS.

- I wanna go team red for cost effectiveness

- I still want the PC to be quiet. This one is DEAD SILENT, I'd like to keep it that way.

 

Ok so, considerations.

I would like to go Mini ITX, but I can't because those motherboards only have one PCI expansion slot. I need three, because:

- One slot is for the GPU

- One slot is for a 10gbps network card (unless you guys know of a small form factor motherboard that has it onboard)

- One slot is for an elGato 4k 60 Pro capture card

 

This PC is used for gaming and streaming right now.

I also edit video, but for that I use a trashcan 12-core 64gb RAM Mac Pro.

 

So I need this PC to do all three things, and I need it to beat the mac at editing/rendering.

To be more specific:

- I game at 1440p. The 1080Ti still pulls off 100fps+ with everything at ultra for every game I play (Shadow of the Tomb Raider being currently the most demanding one). I probably don't need a new GPU.

- My video content is shot at 2.7k (because I use GoPros. A 5 and a 7, and the 5 doesn't do stabilization at 4K, so I like to keep them both consistent). I export at 1440p, which is enough for my needs, BUT I'd like to future proof things and move up to a 4k workflow. I'll be replacing my GoPro 5 and getting a proper camera soon.

 

So basically, I need some advice on:

 

- Which AMD CPU to get (is Ryzen enough, or do I need Threadripper? Etc)

- Which motherboard to get (do I need X570, can I make this work with a MiniITX and using an external 10gbps ethernet adapter, should I get an external capture card instead of PCI etc)

- Recommend me a NAS that can do 10gbps and has space for future storage upgrades. I obviously have two different sized HDDs right now, but I'll be getting another 8TB one, possibly more

- Do I need to replace anything else in the system besides the CPU and motherboard? Maybe faster RAM because AMD?

- Cases. I've been looking at a LOT of tiny case videos, I'm leaning towards the aluminium ones, I really want a white or silver PC. Here are a few I've been looking at, the biggest potential issue being the huge ass GPU:

https://hdplex.com/hdplex-h5-fanless-computer-case.html

https://www.louqe.com/

http://www.ncases.com/

https://www.dan-cases.com/dana4.php

https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/node/node-304/white/

https://streacom.com/products/da2-chassis/

 

Cheers!

I am one with the Force, and the Force is with me.

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41 minutes ago, GM Rod said:

I would like to go Mini ITX, but I can't because those motherboards only have one PCI expansion slot. I need three, because:

ATX at best still because 3 M.2 SSDs + 3 PCIe slots and a VRM strong enough to hold the 16 core at bay. The last requirement pretty much fails all AM4 boards, and only the X399M Taichi stands. X399 might not be compatible with 3rd gen TR though so better hold of the purchase.

 

42 minutes ago, GM Rod said:

a trashcan 12-core 64gb RAM Mac Pro.

What CPU does it carry? The only AM4 CPU that beats the Skylake-X i9-9920X or 7920X by a big enough margin to worth the time imo is the 16 core 3950X, and that thing will launch with the new Threadrippers in November I think so you're waiting anyways.

 

42 minutes ago, GM Rod said:

- Which AMD CPU to get (is Ryzen enough, or do I need Threadripper? Etc)

AM4 could enough but then, ATX is the smallest you'll get here. I;m not certain tho, since X570 chipset gets a max of PCIe 4.0 x4 bandwidth. Unless you ditch the dual M.2 cache idea, that is.

 

58 minutes ago, GM Rod said:

- Do I need to replace anything else in the system besides the CPU and motherboard? Maybe faster RAM because AMD?

Do that if you want more speed and can afford to do so (BS), but consider that later.

 

58 minutes ago, GM Rod said:

- Cases. I've been looking at a LOT of tiny case videos, I'm leaning towards the aluminium ones, I really want a white or silver PC. Here are a few I've been looking at, the biggest potential issue being the huge ass GPU:

dont have your hopes this high up. mATX is a dying form factor so finding a good board for that is difficult.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

ATX at best still because 3 M.2 SSDs + 3 PCIe slots and a VRM strong enough to hold the 16 core at bay. The last requirement pretty much fails all AM4 boards, and only the X399M Taichi stands. X399 might not be compatible with 3rd gen TR though so better hold of the purchase.

 

What CPU does it carry? The only AM4 CPU that beats the Skylake-X i9-9920X or 7920X by a big enough margin to worth the time imo is the 16 core 3950X, and that thing will launch with the new Threadrippers in November I think so you're waiting anyways.

 

AM4 could enough but then, ATX is the smallest you'll get here. I;m not certain tho, since X570 chipset gets a max of PCIe 4.0 x4 bandwidth. Unless you ditch the dual M.2 cache idea, that is.

 

Do that if you want more speed and can afford to do so (BS), but consider that later.

 

dont have your hopes this high up. mATX is a dying form factor so finding a good board for that is difficult.

Thanks for the quick response. Let's see:

 

I'm willing to go external on the network and capture cards if that means I can go ITX.

The Mac pro has a Xeon E5-2697v2.

The dual M.2 cache thing is a size, cable management and convenience thing. I'm trying to avoid having to mount two SSDs and run 4 cables in the system with this idea, and also having a stupid fast cache that regular SSDs can't do, BUT I'll let it go if it allows me to go small. I'm also concerned with how much space I'll have in a tiny case, considering I'll have an AIO 240mm and a huge ZOTAC board in there.

The RAM is significantly slower than the recommended speeds for Ryzen are, right? 2400 vs 3200 seems like a big jump. And for video editing/rendering purposes this will make more of a difference than it would on the gaming side of things, right?

Why is microATX dying... It serves such a great purpose!

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6 minutes ago, GM Rod said:

The Mac pro has a Xeon E5-2697v2.

Well then even 3900X should give substantial gains... of course then there's the argument of why cut down stuff in a costly rebuild in the first place

 

7 minutes ago, GM Rod said:

The dual M.2 cache thing is a size, cable management and convenience thing. I'm trying to avoid having to mount two SSDs and run 4 cables in the system with this idea, and also having a stupid fast cache that regular SSDs can't do, BUT I'll let it go if it allows me to go small

a PCIe 4.0 x4 SSD will handle the cache then, maybe reuse the 950 Pro as OS drive unless you want more capacity. Personally I'd choose the Sabrent Rocket (not 4.0) as the OS drive if you do swap it since boot drives dont really benefit from extra bandwidth, but you could get PCIe 4 SSD for the system I can't stop you.

 

9 minutes ago, GM Rod said:

The RAM is significantly slower than the recommended speeds for Ryzen are, right? 2400 vs 3200 seems like a big jump. And for video editing/rendering purposes this will make more of a difference than it would on the gaming side of things, right?

Could put that $200-300 memory money to other stuff that matters first, I mean.

 

14 minutes ago, GM Rod said:

Why is microATX dying... It serves such a great purpose!

Sales suggest more see mATX as a middle of nowhere option compared to mITX and ATX. It can't market itself as the "absolute high end" option as EATX either.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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6 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Well then even 3900X should give substantial gains... of course then there's the argument of why cut down stuff in a costly rebuild in the first place

 

a PCIe 4.0 x4 SSD will handle the cache then, maybe reuse the 950 Pro as OS drive unless you want more capacity. Personally I'd choose the Sabrent Rocket (not 4.0) as the OS drive if you do swap it since boot drives dont really benefit from extra bandwidth, but you could get PCIe 4 SSD for the system I can't stop you.

 

Could put that $200-300 memory money to other stuff that matters first, I mean.

 

Sales suggest more see mATX as a middle of nowhere option compared to mITX and ATX. It can't market itself as the "absolute high end" option as EATX either.

You make a lot of sense, sir!!!

 

Ok so "substantial gains". Substantial enough for 4K?
Hmm according to this, yes: http://hwbench.com/cpus/amd-ryzen-9-3900x-vs-intel-xeon-e5-2697-v2

 

Ryzen 9 will save me a LOT of money compared to Threadripper AND will let me go mITX. Cool.

 

I intend on keeping the current M.2, yes.

 

The memory money could pay for the NAS solution... right? I guess that'd be better spent.
Maybe this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/QNAP-TS-431X2-2G-Desktop-10GbE-Compliant/dp/B072WCS754

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4 minutes ago, GM Rod said:

Ok so "substantial gains". Substantial enough for 4K?
Hmm according to this, yes: http://hwbench.com/cpus/amd-ryzen-9-3900x-vs-intel-xeon-e5-2697-v2

Yes considering there's both IPC and frequency lead on the 3900X.

 

5 minutes ago, GM Rod said:

The memory money could pay for the NAS solution... right? I guess that'd be better spent.
Maybe this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/QNAP-TS-431X2-2G-Desktop-10GbE-Compliant/dp/B072WCS754

I myself would rather build the NAS myself and use FreeNAS as the OS since I dont like prebuilt stuff I can't fix or maintain easily, but for the features like 10Gb LAN it's worth buying.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Well thank you. Helped a LOT.

I'll update this with whatever I end up doing with the system.

Cheers!

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Alright, so here's what I think I'll be doing.

MicroATX, because for some reason, pcpartpicker was saying MiniITX wasn't an option.

I do like having 3 PCI slots though! And 4 RAM slots. You know, Ryzen likes quad channel.

Thoughts?

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor £569.59 @ Overclockers.co.uk
CPU Cooler Corsair H115i 104.65 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler £127.99 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard ASRock X570M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard £179.96 @ More Computers
Memory Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory £304.79 @ Amazon UK
Storage Samsung 950 PRO 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  
Storage Samsung 860 QVO 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive £199.98 @ Aria PC
Video Card Zotac GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11 GB AMP Extreme Video Card  
Case NZXT H400i MicroATX Mini Tower Case £118.60 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply Corsair Professional 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit £83.00 @ Amazon UK
Monitor Asus ROG SWIFT PG348Q 34.0" 3440x1440 100 Hz Monitor £815.98 @ Amazon UK
Monitor LG 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60 Hz Monitor £269.00 @ Amazon UK
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total £2668.89
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-30 13:15 BST+0100  

 

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Also this is interesting:

 

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Anyone else?

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So I'm fiddling with the parts I need to get.

 

I switched up the RAM up to 3600MHz, but.

Since the CPU is dual channel, AND I'd like to be able to go up to 128gb later, I want to put 2 32gb sticks in there.

Except I can't find any 32gb sticks at 3600 anywhere...

 

Do they not exist yet?

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