Future proof economic system

[DeX64]

Hello everyone,

since my 3rd gen intel is getting rusty and the gtx 970 can't keep up with current games at 1440p I'm looking forward to build a new system. I already checked out most of Linus videos, your awesome megathreads and recommendations - which helped me a lot (awesome forum). I'm still not 100% sure about some things - maybe you can help me out.

 

System Usage:

15% CAD - 30% Coding - 55% Gaming

Dual Boot - 30% Linux - 70% Windows

 

Things im currently looking forward to:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	€329.90 @ Caseking
CPU Cooler	be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	€72.89 @ Aquatuning
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	€238.69 @ Alza
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	€175.55 @ Amazon Deutschland
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card	€749.00 @ Caseking
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	€101.20 @ Amazon Deutschland
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€1667.23
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-26 23:38 CEST+0200

 

Things I'm still not sure about:

There are two different versions of this RAM available (btw. I don’t care about RGB - it's just the cheapest one available atm):

1. “CL-16” as “16-19-19-39” listed at 200€
2. “CL-16” as “16-16-16-36” listed at 390€

So far I'm informed that 3200 @ CL-14 and 3600 @ CL-16 are the sweet spots for ryzen when looking for price/performance. Sadly I’m not deep enough into this stuff to be sure about the worth of better tRCD and tRP numbers but twice the price seems to be a bit overkill.

 

The GPU (and everything else) should hit a good price/performance on the higher level - also open for other manufacturers I got no real cap in terms of budget, as long as it makes sense (and run Cyberpunk on 1440p with ultra setting) I'm fine with it. If you think the 240€ upgrade to the 2080 SUPER (or something else) is worth it, I'm in.

 

Many thanks in advance.

 

edit: fixed some typos

edit2: added pcpartpicker link

[brob]

The Mugen 5 requires a conversion kit to work with AM4 motherboards. It is available from Scythe, check the Mugen 5 web page.

 

I presume you mean power supply unit (psu) when typing power adapter? The term power adapter generally refers to an external ac-dc power supply used by laptops and other electrical devices. What model do you have? How old is it?

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-zen-2-memory-performance-scaling-benchmark/

 

 

[DeX64]

Thanks for the reply.
You're right, I was talking about the PSU. Fixed it in the first post - thanks.
It's a 600W NesteQ E2CS X-Strike from mid-2012.

[brob]

I'm not familiar with that brand of psu. Given the age and that it is only 80+ you should probably consider getting a new psu.

[DeX64]

Alright - just updated the considered setup.
Noticed pcpartpicker is the forum standard - here you go:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	€326.90 @ Mindfactory
CPU Cooler	be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler	€72.89 @ Aquatuning
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	€199.47 @ Mindfactory
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	€175.55 @ Amazon Deutschland
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card	€749.00 @ Caseking
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	€101.20 @ Amazon Deutschland
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€1625.01
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-26 00:50 CEST+0200

 

I decided to keep the mugen on the old board and buy a new cooler.
This way i can gift the whole old system to my sister for university.

 

Anything you would like to change about the current setup?

[brob]

Looks good. The psu has a fair bit more capacity than needed; 550W - 650W is more than enough. 

 

Do you have a case in mind?

[DeX64]

I added different 500-650W PSUs from Corsair and be quiet! but pcpartpicker always mentioned the following:

The Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard has an additional 4-pin ATX power connector but the [...]  Power Supply does not. This connector is used to supply additional 12V current to the motherboard. While the system will likely still run without it, higher current demands such as extreme overclocking or large video card current draws may require it.

Since the 750W Corsair CPU is only 25€ more expensive compared to the lower ones I kept it as the safer pick.
If I had it my way, I would keep the Fractal Design Define XL R2 I'm using right now.

[JHY]

34 minutes ago, DeX64 said:

I added different 500-650W PSUs from Corsair and be quiet! but pcpartpicker always mentioned the following:

The Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard has an additional 4-pin ATX power connector but the [...]  Power Supply does not. This connector is used to supply additional 12V current to the motherboard. While the system will likely still run without it, higher current demands such as extreme overclocking or large video card current draws may require it.

Since the 750W Corsair CPU is only 25€ more expensive compared to the lower ones I kept it as the safer pick.
If I had it my way, I would keep the Fractal Design Define XL R2 I'm using right now.

Corsair rm(2019) 650W will work or you can keep 750w if you want to.

[hello_there_123]

39 minutes ago, DeX64 said:

I added different 500-650W PSUs from Corsair and be quiet! but pcpartpicker always mentioned the following:

The Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard has an additional 4-pin ATX power connector but the [...]  Power Supply does not. This connector is used to supply additional 12V current to the motherboard. While the system will likely still run without it, higher current demands such as extreme overclocking or large video card current draws may require it.

Don't worry about it. The extra 4pin is only used for stuff like 9900K LN2. PcPartPicker really needs to fix this...

[DeX64]

Finally got some spare time to order the components and put running everything together - thank for the support btw.
Aside from some strange behaviour of the power button (the system is sometimes immediately restarting after holding down the power button to shut it down), everything is running fine - except for the ram.

By default, it's locked to 2133MHz.
Also checked it via userbenchmark.com -> "Performance Poor".
Enabling D.O.C.P. ends in a boot loop.
Setting Memory Frequency to 3600 and FCLK Memory to 1800 manually does not change the DRAM Status at the main bios page (still at 2133) but Windows and userbenchmark.com will list it as 3600Mhz -> "Performing as expected".
Benchmark: https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/20825080
I remember checking the ram timings and since "Auto" set them to 15/15/15/36 I didn't change anything.
Today I tried setting up some Manjaro VM's but realised I forgot to enable SVM.
So I head back to BIOS, enabled SVM (changed nothing else) and hit the boot loop again. (*)
I was unable to get a configuration state that didn't end in a boot loop - so I switched back to the default configuration with just SVM enabled, which is working just fine (but I'm back to 2133Mhz).

Any ideas about how to configure the ram so it's working as it should be?

 

(*) Also checked the ram timings again at this points - "Auto" was setting them to 25/25/25/X, I have no idea why.

[brob]

Does the BIOS support XMP? If so, try one of those profiles.

[DeX64]

D.O.C.P. is the AMD Version of XMP (as far as I am informed) but selecting "Profile 1" (its the only one) ends in a boot loop or the ram being stuck at 2133MHz.

Bios is up to date (v. 1005).

[brob]

Have you tested the memory using something like memtest86?