motherboard?

[zakusa]

so my current build is below and i wont be overclocking. im stuck on 3 options. i want one that can support i7 9700k and rtx 2080 without having any drop in performance.

 

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-Z390-UD-LGA1151-Motherboard/dp/B07HS59X7P/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=Gigabyte+z390+UD&qid=1557187607&s=gateway&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1

 

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-MPG-Z390-LGA1151-Motherboard/dp/B07HMG1XP7/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=MSI+z390&qid=1557187469&s=gateway&sr=8-6

 

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-MAG-Z390-Tomahawk-Motherboard/dp/B07HM4M971/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=MSI+z390&qid=1557187469&s=gateway&sr=8-7

 

or if you have any other motherboard model suggestion that would be great

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$409.99 @ B&H
CPU Cooler	Noctua - NH-U14S 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler	$63.75 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Gigabyte - Z390 UD ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$114.99 @ Amazon
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$96.90 @ Walmart
Storage	Samsung - 970 Evo Plus 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$67.99 @ B&H
Storage	Seagate - FireCuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive	$89.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB GAMING OC WHITE Video Card	$739.99 @ Newegg
Case	NZXT - H500 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case	$69.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	EVGA - 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$66.98 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1740.47
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$1720.47
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-06 20:02 EDT-0400

 

[zakusa]

forgot to mention, i didnt see any reviews of people using i7 9700k with the Z390 UD, and i saw someone complain that they were having problems when using Z390 UD with the i9 9900k

[RobFRaschke]

Sorry, but why are you getting a K(unlocked) CPU if you're not overclocking? Furthermore, why are you getting a Z390 board(z390's biggest feature is overclocking support.) if you're not wanting to overclock?

[zakusa]

theres only i7 9700k i dont see a 9700 and i want best performance below 1700$. im scared to overclock. so far this is the only build i can see which looks the best under 1700$ which has i7 9700k and rtx 2080 OC

[zakusa]

i mean if you are able to find a build thats non overclocked and has the exact same or better performance as this that would be good

[BigRom]

If you're not gonna overclock you are kind of wasting money on buying a K-unlocked chip

The 8700 you lose 2 cores, but gain hyperthreading. Since you're unwilling to overclock, its a non-K so its cheaper, alot cheaper. But you do lose some performance, but you're going to anyway since the 9700K can OC

Z390 Gigabyte Aorus Elite, one of the better Z390 boards out there

970 Evo is overpriced af, unless you're moving large files every day the speed advantage it has over a normal SSD is negligible 

Also at $1700, get a fully modular PSU & 750W is overkill if you're not gonna overclock

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($294.99 @ Walmart) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($84.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS ELITE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($80.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($69.85 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card  ($699.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: NZXT - H500 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Cooler Master - MWE Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($74.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1595.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-06 20:34 EDT-0400

 

[Daniel Z.]

Do you already have a monitor?

[brob]

14 minutes ago, RobFRaschke said:

Sorry, but why are you getting a K(unlocked) CPU if you're not overclocking? Furthermore, why are you getting a Z390 board(z390's biggest feature is overclocking support.) if you're not wanting to overclock?

While Intel has announced locked Coffee Lake Refresh i7 and i9 they do not seem to be available through the usual retail channels. So, if one wants an 8-core Intel cpu at the moment there isn't much choice.

 

The Z390 makes sense for two reasons. Given an unlocked processor, resale value is higher and who knows, one might want to oc at some point in the future. Also, the cpu likely needs the better VRMs of a Z390.

[zakusa]

wow well @BigRomthis is a bit of a hard choice, so i see what your saying about the i7 8700 that its alot cheaper. but if i want to get the most out of performance and fps for 1700$ at most do you think i7 8700 with a better motherboard would be a better idea than the i7 9700k with a slightly cheaper motherboard.

[RobFRaschke]

IMHO, it's a few bucks more than the list above, but it gives you a LOT more SSD space, a good enough motherboard for non-overclocking, which includes WIFI, a PSU that I like the guts of better, and a case that I just like better, but case is 100% personal preference.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor	$294.99 @ Walmart
CPU Cooler	Noctua - NH-D14 64.95 CFM CPU Cooler	$74.95 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Gigabyte - H370 AORUS Gaming 3 WIFI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$129.99 @ Amazon
Memory	GeIL - EVO SPEAR 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$69.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Intel - 660p Series 2 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$204.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card	$699.99 @ Amazon
Case	Fractal Design - Meshify C Dark TG ATX Mid Tower Case	$99.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$84.89 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1679.77
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$1659.77
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-06 20:58 EDT-0400

 

[zakusa]

right now i have a sshd with 2tb so ill stick to the 970 evo plus. so besides the hard drive this is a hard choice if im wanting the best performance. i dont plan on changing the cpu for a long time

[Herman Mcpootis]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor	$294.99 @ Walmart
CPU Cooler	RAIJINTEK - AIDOS 48.6 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler	$21.34 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - B365M Phantom Gaming 4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$79.99 @ Newegg
Memory	OLOy - 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$69.99 @ Newegg Business
Storage	HP - EX900 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$57.89 @ OutletPC
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$59.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card	$699.99 @ Amazon
Case	Fractal Design - Meshify C Mini Dark TG MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$82.77 @ Amazon
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$65.98 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1452.83
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$1432.83
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-06 21:08 EDT-0400

 

[Herman Mcpootis]

4 minutes ago, zakusa said:

right now i have a sshd with 2tb so ill stick to the 970 evo plus. so besides the hard drive this is a hard choice if im wanting the best performance. i dont plan on changing the cpu for a long time

The 970 evo is unnecessary for a rig that's only used for gaming, pick up a 500gb EX900 instead.

[zakusa]

its also used for work, im going to be doing programming soon, and that computer looks alot cheaper. im at a 1700$ max so i want to buy the best computer right now because i dont want to change it in the next 4-6 years

[Herman Mcpootis]

6 minutes ago, zakusa said:

its also used for work, im going to be doing programming soon, and that computer looks alot cheaper. im at a 1700$ max so i want to buy the best computer right now because i dont want to change it in the next 4-6 years

still not necessary for programming, a cheaper NVME drive is good enough.

[zakusa]

 

[Herman Mcpootis]

2 minutes ago, zakusa said:

and are you going to notice a few seconds faster boot time?

[zakusa]

i dont know im on a 5400 rpm hdd right now and i hate it 

[Herman Mcpootis]

1 minute ago, zakusa said:

i dont know im on a 5400 rpm hdd right now and i hate it 

a 5400RPM hdd and an ssd is a night and day difference. the difference between a very fast NVME ssd and a slower NVME ssd isn't much unless you're doing content creation.

[brob]

 

29 minutes ago, zakusa said:

right now i have a sshd with 2tb so ill stick to the 970 evo plus. so besides the hard drive this is a hard choice if im wanting the best performance. i dont plan on changing the cpu for a long time

 

Get as much ssd storage as possible. It makes more sense to give up a bit of read/write performance for more fast storage. 

[zakusa]

ok ill think about that but the biggest problem is the processor and motherboard. so im looking at the i7 9700k and it says turbo unlocked 4.9ghz. isnt that overclocking or a safe intel feature that doesn't void warranty?

[brob]

11 minutes ago, zakusa said:

ok ill think about that but the biggest problem is the processor and motherboard. so im looking at the i7 9700k and it says turbo unlocked 4.9ghz. isnt that overclocking or a safe intel feature that doesn't void warranty?

No, that is normal cpu behavior. Current i5 and i7 vary clock speed based on the number of cores active. (Mostly to help reduce thermal throttling.) Max turbo is the highest clock the cpu will use when only one core is running. When all eight cores are active the i7-9700K clock is run at 4.6GHz.

 

Overclocking involves running the cpu at speeds outside the norm. In an overclocked system one might, for example, run all eight cores at a speed higher than 4.6GHz.

[Herman Mcpootis]

7 minutes ago, zakusa said:

ok ill think about that but the biggest problem is the processor and motherboard. so im looking at the i7 9700k and it says turbo unlocked 4.9ghz. isnt that overclocking or a safe intel feature that doesn't void warranty?

turbo boost is just another feature on most intel CPUs, not overclocking. though they won't actually know that you're overclocking if you did so you can ignore that "void if overclocked" part.

[zakusa]

ok well i guess ill go with i7 8700 then

[jerubedo]

3 hours ago, zakusa said:

ok well i guess ill go with i7 8700 then

Just so that you have all the info, the 9700K at stock will beat the 8700 across the board, sometimes by only a few FPS, and sometimes by more. The reason is the 8700 has an all-core boost of 4.3GHz, and the 9700K has an all-core boost of 4.6GHz, plus the 9700K has 2 more physical cores, which will almost always outperform 6 cores and 12 threads. Here's some benchmarks. Notice in some games, like Assassin's Creed Origins, the difference is 129 FPS vs 143 FPS. Minimum FPS is also better on the 9700K across the board. See Odyssey where the minimums are 87 vs 98.

 

 

Remember that's at stock. You say right now you don't want to OC, but in the future you may change your mind, and the performance gains at 5.0GHz are significant.

 

To answer the original question, the UD will not throttle a 9700K at stock. It might throttle a little when OCed, though. I'd say step up to the Elite for ease of mind and to allow OCing later on if you choose to do so.

 

Of course, the 8700 is cheaper and the performance differential is only 10% or so at stock. So is that 10% more performance worth the extra $115? That's up to you. OCed I'd estimate the differential to be more like 20% at its best.

 

I just wanted to make sure you have all the data before you decide