First pc build ever

[Lil Pump123]

So I am thinking about building a pc, or buying a new Mac desktop or laptop. I am leaning towards (more of falling down towards) building a pc that will last me through college, fingers crossed. I am in ninth grade, and my budget is somewhere around 2 grand. Yes, I do know  a fair bit about computers, but I wanted some of your opinions on my part list. (not planning to overclock btw)

-Asus GeForce GTX 1080 or 1080 ti(depends on prices)        ALSO:   (found some good 2080's for great prices but I heard that they burn out quickly....is this true???)

-MSI Pro Series Intel Z270 DDR4 USB 3 CrossFire ATX Motherboard (Z270-A PRO)

-i7 7700k

-32 gb ram

-500 gb ssd

-1 tb hard drive

-nzxt 500i 

-coolermaster cpu fan cooler 212 evo

-EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply

these are my main parts, I have a bunch of accessories, but I wanted to know whether you guys think this pc would last, and would be worth it

 

 

THANK YOU

[Fasauceome]

you're looking at a lot of last gen parts which is no good for your budget, you can basically get more for less. I'll brb with a list.

 

edit:

alright so a couple notes, first

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(not planning to overclock btw)

why consider the 7700k over the 7700 then, the advantage of the K is to overclock.

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coolermaster cpu fan cooler 212 evo

the 212 is too expensive for its own good, there's better for the price

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32 gb ram

A gaming PC won't be able to utilize this, if you have more in store though let me know

 

your list ought to look like this, PCpartpicker and all:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor	$299.99 @ Walmart
CPU Cooler	ARCTIC - Freezer 33 eSports ONE (Black/Red) CPU Cooler	$37.49 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI - H370M BAZOOKA Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$89.99 @ Amazon
Memory	Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2800 Memory	$80.98 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$77.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card	$706.98 @ Newegg
Case	Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$42.23 @ Newegg
Power Supply	BitFenix - Formula Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply	$69.00 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1404.65
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-08 23:14 EDT-0400

And you can see I left some room for expansion, this isn't even its final form.

[SpecTre12345]

Here's what I came up with, under $2000, for a seriously beastly system.

 

PCPartPicker part list:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU:	Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor	$299.99 @ Walmart
CPU Cooler:	Noctua - NH-U12S 55 CFM CPU Cooler	$60.08 @ Newegg
Motherboard:	ASRock - Z390 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$117.89 @ OutletPC
Memory:	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$175.98 @ Newegg
Storage:	Crucial - P1 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$104.99 @ Amazon
Storage:	Western Digital - RE 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$113.99 @ Amazon
Video Card:	MSI - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB VENTUS Video Card	$699.99 @ Newegg
Case:	Corsair - Carbide Series 275R (White w/Tempered Glass) ATX Mid Tower Case	$75.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply:	SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$89.99 @ SuperBiiz
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1748.88
	Mail-in rebates	-$10.00
	Total	$1738.88
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-08 23:33 EDT-0400

[Ravendarat]

What country do you live in?

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

6 minutes ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

Storage Western Digital - RE 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $113.99 @ Amazon

do you really need it? there are much cheaper options

 

8 minutes ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

Motherboard ASRock - Z390 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $117.89 @ OutletPC

pairing with a 8700, just get a good b360 mobo 

and spend the savings on msi "amour" / "gaming"

[SpecTre12345]

27 minutes ago, dgsddfgdfhgs said:

do you really need it? there are much cheaper options

 

pairing with a 8700, just get a good b360 mobo 

and spend the savings on msi "amour" / "gaming"

 

You don't really need it, obviously a 64MB cache drive will do well, but having that 128MB of cache really makes a difference when using it daily. I mean, if my budget is $2,000, I'm not cheaping out on parts. This same philosophy, IMO, also applies to the motherboard choice. People always claim they "aren't going to overclock," which is subject to change, guaranteed, as time passes and they get more comfortable. This will at least allow him to drop in a i9-9900k later on down the line and go, without being hassled to replace the motherboard. 

[Azerio]

I just threw together something which I think would be really cool for 2000$. Everything is color coordinated and you don't have have to worry about anything.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor	$299.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	Deepcool - CAPTAIN 360EX WHITE RGB 229.56 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$108.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Asus - PRIME Z390-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$189.99 @ B&H
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$104.99 @ Amazon
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$104.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Kingston - A1000 480 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$82.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$44.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB GAMING OC WHITE Video Card	$759.99 @ Newegg
Case	Lian-Li - PC-O11 Dynamic (White) ATX Full Tower Case	$142.97 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Cooler Master - MWE Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$70.98 @ Newegg
Case Fan	Deepcool - RF 120 (3 in 1) 56.5 CFM 120mm Fans	$37.49 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	Deepcool - RF 120 (3 in 1) 56.5 CFM 120mm Fans	$37.49 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	Deepcool - RF 120 (3 in 1) 56.5 CFM 120mm Fans	$37.49 @ SuperBiiz
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$2043.24
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$2023.24
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-09 07:08 EDT-0400

 

[Guest]

7 hours ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

This will at least allow him to drop in a i9-9900k later on down the line and go, without being hassled to replace the motherboard. 

Except it won't. That ASRock board won't handle a 9900K without throttling. You want a Gigabyte Z390 Aorus board or something of that calibre for a 9900K. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Azerio said:

I just threw together something which I think would be really cool for 2000$. Everything is color coordinated and you don't have have to worry about anything.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor	$299.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	Deepcool - CAPTAIN 360EX WHITE RGB 229.56 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$108.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Asus - PRIME Z390-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$189.99 @ B&H
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$104.99 @ Amazon
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$104.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Kingston - A1000 480 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$82.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$44.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB GAMING OC WHITE Video Card	$759.99 @ Newegg
Case	Lian-Li - PC-O11 Dynamic (White) ATX Full Tower Case	$142.97 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Cooler Master - MWE Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$70.98 @ Newegg
Case Fan	Deepcool - RF 120 (3 in 1) 56.5 CFM 120mm Fans	$37.49 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	Deepcool - RF 120 (3 in 1) 56.5 CFM 120mm Fans	$37.49 @ SuperBiiz
Case Fan	Deepcool - RF 120 (3 in 1) 56.5 CFM 120mm Fans	$37.49 @ SuperBiiz
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$2043.24
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$2023.24
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-09 07:08 EDT-0400

 

That build makes no sense at all.

 

A 360mm AIO for a locked cpu ?

That board is rubbish for the money being asked.

Why spend $110 on fans when you can just get a cheaper case that has some pre-installed ? You are basically spending $250 on the case in total. You can get a Meshify C or similar for way less with a couple of fans included.

[SpecTre12345]

7 hours ago, lee32uk said:

Except it won't. That ASRock board won't handle a 9900K without throttling. 

 

Source? 

[mayonnaiseblackhole]

17 hours ago, Lil Pump123 said:

So I am thinking about building a pc, or buying a new Mac desktop or laptop. I am leaning towards (more of falling down towards) building a pc that will last me through college, fingers crossed. I am in ninth grade, and my budget is somewhere around 2 grand. Yes, I do know  a fair bit about computers, but I wanted some of your opinions on my part list. (not planning to overclock btw)

-Asus GeForce GTX 1080 or 1080 ti(depends on prices)        ALSO:   (found some good 2080's for great prices but I heard that they burn out quickly....is this true???)

-MSI Pro Series Intel Z270 DDR4 USB 3 CrossFire ATX Motherboard (Z270-A PRO)

-i7 7700k

-32 gb ram

-500 gb ssd

-1 tb hard drive

-nzxt 500i 

-coolermaster cpu fan cooler 212 evo

-EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply

these are my main parts, I have a bunch of accessories, but I wanted to know whether you guys think this pc would last, and would be worth it

 

 

THANK YOU

What Monitor Type do you have, or do you have one at all? Its completely worthless to buy a $2000 computer if all you have is a 1080p 60hz display

[mayonnaiseblackhole]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor	$224.89 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler	Corsair - H100i PRO 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$99.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard	MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard	$114.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg Business
Storage	Intel - 660p Series 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$109.99 @ Newegg Business
Storage	Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$59.78 @ OutletPC
Video Card	MSI - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB VENTUS Video Card	$699.99 @ Newegg
Case	NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case	$69.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$89.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1557.60
	Mail-in rebates	-$10.00
	Total	$1547.60
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-09 16:42 EDT-0400

For your use case, Ryzen sounds like a MUCH better deal. You can upgrade it down the line to something better making it last longer and they are unlocked out of the box. When you are comfortable overclocking you can easily just go right into it. Also it makes you $500 dollars under budget for upgrading in the future

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

 

Source? 

I don't have a direct source for that board but you can tell just by looking at the VRM and the tiny heatsink it has. Even more expensive boards can throttle with the 9900K. Best to stick with one of the Gigabyte Aorus boards or a higher end ASRock/MSI etc.

[SpecTre12345]

4 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

I don't have a direct source for that board but you can tell just by looking at the VRM and the tiny heatsink it has. Even more expensive boards can throttle with the 9900K. Best to stick with one of the Gigabyte Aorus boards or a higher end ASRock/MSI etc.

 

I understand where you are coming from, however the problem with that thinking is, it hasn't actually been tested or seen in practice. The ITX Variant of that board does very, very well with a 9900k:

 

 

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asrock-z390-phantom-gaming-itxac-i9-9900k-motherboard,5878-4.html

 

I do agree that a higher end board would make more sense and provide better results for a 9900k, but even if you can get 88-90% of the performance you would otherwise with a better motherboard; I say that's a decent trade-off for money savings in the long run.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

 

I understand where you are coming from, however the problem with that thinking is, it hasn't actually been tested or seen in practice. The ITX Variant of that board does very, very well with a 9900k:

 

 

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asrock-z390-phantom-gaming-itxac-i9-9900k-motherboard,5878-4.html

 

I do agree that a higher end board would make more sense and provide better results for a 9900k, but even if you can get 88-90% of the performance you would otherwise with a better motherboard; I say that's a decent trade-off for money savings in the long run.

That board has a far better VRM heatsink for starters. Not sure why you think the ATX version is comparable ? The ASRock Z390 Extreme 4 which is a better board than the Phantom 4 suffers from throttling with the 9900K.

 

https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/asrock-z390-extreme4-intel-9th-gen-core-atx-motherboard,review-34737.html

[SpecTre12345]

5 hours ago, lee32uk said:

That board has a far better VRM heatsink for starters. Not sure why you think the ATX version is comparable ? The ASRock Z390 Extreme 4 which is a better board than the Phantom 4 suffers from throttling with the 9900K.

 

https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/asrock-z390-extreme4-intel-9th-gen-core-atx-motherboard,review-34737.html

 

Seems that might be an isolated incident pertaining to Tom's Hardware, as I'm finding different results from TweakTown (and three other reviewers):

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, a direct quote:

 

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"Up-close of the back of the VRM. The Z390 Extreme4 has very good thermal performance at stock. We figure it should hold up with good cooling over the VRM area. Anything under 60C is great, 60-80C is acceptable, and anything above 80C is a bit worrisome (if at stock)."

 

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8863/asrock-z390-extreme4-intel-motherboard-review/index11.html
 

Diving deeper and looking at other reviews for this board from other websites we find:

 

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"Extreme4 was able to reach the 5GHz milestone with the 9900K - to reach this we required 1.35v running through the CPU. "

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/asrock_z390_extreme4_review,18.html

 

Looking again to other sources we find:

 

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"The performance may have been in the mid-ranges at stock clocks, but a swift overclock to 5 GHz on all cores quickly changed that. I’m honestly amazed, but the Extreme4 posted our second highest score yet in 3DMark; 24499. We saw good improvements in the WPrime and Cinibench scores also, albeit not as impressive as we saw with 3DMark. Regardless, the power delivery on this motherboard work wonders for overclocking our i9-9900K."

 

Scores

• 3DMark – 24499
• WPrime – 2.867/79.44
• CineBench – 220/2204
• Power Consumption – 50/207
• Power Consumption OC – 61/277

https://www.eteknix.com/asrock-extreme4-z390-motherboard-review/5/

 

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Just like we saw in the previous benchmarks, the Extreme4 is a solid contender. It’s not taking the top spots, but at this price range, it was never going to. That being said it’s keeping up with more expensive models in both Rise of the Tomb Raider and Deus Ex. In Ghost Recon, it’s about mid-range for Z390, but 137.1 FPS is nothing to complain about either. It did even better in Far Cry Primal though, scoring not only our highest score for Z390, but our third highest score overall.

Scores

• Rise of the Tomb Raider – 203.11
• Deus Ex – 102.2/149
• Ghost Recon – 111/137.1
• Far Cry – 115/152

https://www.eteknix.com/asrock-extreme4-z390-motherboard-review/6/

 

https://www.eteknix.com/asrock-extreme4-z390-motherboard-review/7/

 

Another example of the board's capability: 

 

 

 

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"With these settings we were able to achieve a stable overclock of 5.1 GHz across all eight cores of our Core i9-9900K. It seems the beefed up heatsinks on this board helped out a lot."

 

https://thinkcomputers.org/asrock-z390-extreme4-motherboard-review/5/

 

 

 

https://thinkcomputers.org/asrock-z390-extreme4-motherboard-review/8/

 

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Pros:
– Multiple GPU support
– Dual Ultra M.2 slots
– Sleek design and RGB lighting
– 12 phase VRM with adequate cooling
– Great BIOS

 

Cons:
– Companion software seems a bit dated
– On-board RGB’s are not addressable

 

https://thinkcomputers.org/asrock-z390-extreme4-motherboard-review/11/

 

So it appears that, four reviewers out of five find that the Extreme 4 is a solid board on all accounts (even when using it in conjunction with a i9-9900k). I cannot vouch why Tom's experienced the results they did, but nonetheless, four other reviewers experienced entirely different results (which mostly means PEBKAC). While we don't have the Phantom 4 to compare directly, and you denounce my reasoning for using the ITX Phantom variant as a valid comparison medium (despite having a weaker Power Phase design than the ATX version and/or that both motherboards have a similar Power Choke setup). You instead continue to contradict your own sentiments, by proceeding to use the Extreme 4 as an example for comparison (against using the Phantom 4). However, what we find from looking at the other reviews of the Extreme 4, is that it performs exceptionally well with an i9-9900k. Therefore, again, further solidifying my choice with the Phantom board as being more than an acceptable choice (when using your own logic). 

 

Now of course with a budget of $2000, and practically $300 left to spare when using my build - there is obviously plenty of room left to choose "a better motherboard." However, whether or not that is actually worth the money, as you can see from all the benches and tests above, from a variety of sources, is entirely debatable. 

[Guest]

Did you even read the Tweaktown review ?

 

Here is a quote from it:

 

The Z390 Extreme 4 has very good thermal performance at stock. We can't currently vouch for it under overclocking, but we figure it should hold up with good cooling over the VRM area. i.e Place a fan over the VRM area.

 

There is a huge difference between STOCK and OVERCLOCKED temps on the VRM. That is why they didn't get any throttling.

 

The other two reviews don't show any VRM temps from what I can see.

 

So I stand by my comment above. The ASRock Z390 Phantom 4 will not cope with a 9900K. Plus there is zero reason to buy it anyway at that price point when the Gigabyte Z390 UD is less money for a better VRM.

[trevb0t]

On 4/8/2019 at 9:05 PM, fasauceome said:

your list ought to look like this, PCpartpicker and all:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i7-8700 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor	$299.99 @ Walmart
CPU Cooler	ARCTIC - Freezer 33 eSports ONE (Black/Red) CPU Cooler	$37.49 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI - H370M BAZOOKA Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$89.99 @ Amazon
Memory	Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2800 Memory	$80.98 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$77.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card	$706.98 @ Newegg
Case	Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$42.23 @ Newegg
Power Supply	BitFenix - Formula Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply	$69.00 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1404.65
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-08 23:14 EDT-0400

And you can see I left some room for expansion, this isn't even its final form.

I like your build! Out of curiosity, the 9900K is 489.99 currently: Is the 8700 going to compete enough that the 190 difference isn't just worth fronting right now for the kid?

He's got the 2k now, and wants to use it. He'd still come in under his 2k.

[Fasauceome]

5 minutes ago, trevb0t said:

I like your build! Out of curiosity, the 9900K is 489.99 currently: Is the 8700 going to compete enough that the 190 difference isn't just worth fronting right now for the kid?

He's got the 2k now, and wants to use it. He'd still come in under his 2k.

I left extra room in case more graphics power was desired, a better CPU would have far less of an impact. The 9900k is just unsuitable for gamers, pretty wretched price/performance, and you shouldn't be getting a K sku CPU without  a Z series board, so add that to the price tag as well. If anything, the CPU upgrade I'd recommend for a gaming focused machine would be an 8700k and a Z370 board.

 

Unless OP wants to expand the budget for bragging rights of course.

[trevb0t]

1 minute ago, fasauceome said:

I left extra room in case more graphics power was desired, a better CPU would have far less of an impact. The 9900k is just unsuitable for gamers, pretty wretched price/performance, and you shouldn't be getting a K sku CPU without  a Z series board, so add that to the price tag as well. If anything, the CPU upgrade I'd recommend for a gaming focused machine would be an 8700k and a Z370 board.

 

Unless OP wants to expand the budget for bragging rights of course.

Informative! (I'm more of a Ryzen guy myself. I just see the 9900k getting talked about a lot. Pretty much all of the Intel looks too pricey for the core/clock to me.)

[Fasauceome]

9 minutes ago, trevb0t said:

Informative! (I'm more of a Ryzen guy myself. I just see the 9900k getting talked about a lot. Pretty much all of the Intel looks too pricey for the core/clock to me.)

Ryzen is where the value is at, but I don't know OP's performance target and since the budget is so high I just went with an i7.

[SpecTre12345]

10 hours ago, lee32uk said:

Did you even read the Tweaktown review ?

 

Here is a quote from it:

 

The Z390 Extreme 4 has very good thermal performance at stock. We can't currently vouch for it under overclocking, but we figure it should hold up with good cooling over the VRM area. i.e Place a fan over the VRM area.

 

There is a huge difference between STOCK and OVERCLOCKED temps on the VRM. That is why they didn't get any throttling.

 

The other two reviews don't show any VRM temps from what I can see.

 

So I stand by my comment above. The ASRock Z390 Phantom 4 will not cope with a 9900K. Plus there is zero reason to buy it anyway at that price point when the Gigabyte Z390 UD is less money for a better VRM.

 

Firstly, let's begin with the fact that I originally asked you if you had a source for your original claim of, "That ASRock board won't handle a 9900K without throttling." Instead, you gave me a theoretical factoid based on speculation, which was: "I don't have a direct source for that board but you can tell just by looking at the VRM and the tiny heatsink it has." ...How scientific.

 

Despite this, I proceeded to give you an example of the ITX Phantom board performing exceptionally well and for obvious reasons, this seems like an acceptable choice for direct comparison usage; being that they are in the same series. Although, by no means perfect, still much better than making stuff up without merit. However, you had an issue with this, as you said that the ITX Phantom is better than the ATX Phantom 4 (Not really true, akin to saying an RX 580 is "better" than a GTX 1060. You might even say that each board has their pros and their cons). 

 

In any case, for some reason, you decide that it is alright to use the Extreme 4 for comparison's sake. Making claims that it's a better board than the Phantom 4, and that if it throttles, so will the Phantom 4. You post a link from Tom's that does indeed show throttling with the Extreme 4. However, what we find upon further research, is that there are caveats. As FOUR other reviewers have different results than Tom's! Clearly making Tom's the outlier.

 

Then, for your consideration - I post all the graphs, quotes, and sources that show you the Extreme 4 performs more than adequately (when using it with a 9900k); both at stock and overclocked. It was very thorough, and also organized, for easy comprehension.

 

In spite of that, here you are asking me if I even read the TweakTown review. When in fact, the quote you have from it, was one of the first things I posted in my reply to you (the irony).

 

Next, you proceed with a few straw man arguments (as if I don't know the difference between stock or overclocked on the VRM). When I show both stock and overclocked data with the Extreme 4 while using an i9-9900k; that shows it can handle both loads just fine.

 

Now if they aren't showing dangerous temps, or throttling, what does that usually tell you by using process of elimination? It didn't occur...

 

Anyway, you are welcome to stand by your comment above, and you can continue to allege that the Phantom 4 (or the Extreme 4) will not cope with the 9900k. However, it hasn't been proven, nor shown in practice for either boards as of yet. A matter of fact, quite the opposite has been shown. Even more surprising is your claim that "there is zero reason to buy it anyway because at that price point the Gigabyte Z390 UD is less money for a better VRM." When in the FIRST benchmarks I posted from the TweakTown review, you can see both the Z390 Arous Master and the Z390 Designare performing similarly, if not identically, to the ASRock Extreme 4. Both the Arous Master and Designare would be considered far better boards than the Extreme 4 and UD. Yet you have the audacity to ask me if I even read the TweakTown review, when it's clear as a bell you didn't read the review(s), nor my post.

[Guest]

Why are you still even arguing about this ? You suggested a crap board and don't like the fact that you got called out on it. That isn't my fault 

 

The argument here isn't about the Extreme 4. That was just showing you that they (Tom's Hardware) had throttling issues. You seem to want to brush over that though. Even if other review sites had no issue it would still draw a red flag. 

 

Secondly you have no proof that the ATX Phantom 4 will cope with the 9900K. All you can throw at me is 'Well the ITX version is fine so therefore the ATX version is fine'. Have you compared both heatsinks on those boards ? You can't tell that one is far better ? And yes it does make a big difference to temperatures. If you think otherwise then you are arguing against the laws of Physics.

 

As for all your graphs posted they are just benchmarks. None of them show the VRM temps.

 

If you want another point of reference go look at the Motherboard tier list that @LukeSavenije and a few others created. You might notice that the ASRock Z390 Phantom 4 and Phantom ITX are not in the same Tier list.

 

There is just no reason to put this board into a $2000 build if suggesting a 9900K as the cpu. 

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39 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

Why are you still even arguing about this ? You suggested a crap board and don't like the fact that you got called out on it. That isn't my fault 

 

The argument here isn't about the Extreme 4. That was just showing you that they (Tom's Hardware) had throttling issues. You seem to want to brush over that though. Even if other review sites had no issue it would still draw a red flag. 

 

Secondly you have no proof that the ATX Phantom 4 will cope with the 9900K. All you can throw at me is 'Well the ITX version is fine so therefore the ATX version is fine'. Have you compared both heatsinks on those boards ? You can't tell that one is far better ? And yes it does make a big difference to temperatures. If you think otherwise then you are arguing against the laws of Physics.

 

As for all your graphs posted they are just benchmarks. None of them show the VRM temps.

 

If you want another point of reference go look at the Motherboard tier list that @LukeSavenije and a few others created. You might notice that the ASRock Z390 Phantom 4 and Phantom ITX are not in the same Tier list.

 

There is just no reason to put this board into a $2000 build if suggesting a 9900K as the cpu. 

 

Well isn't that the pot calling the kettle black... You have been disproved at every single turn, yet you are still defending your statements. And even worse, you won't accept that you are wrong, have been proven wrong and are instead acting quite delusional at this point. Seriously buddy, learn to pick your battles.

 

I understand you are mad that you have been proven wrong, and will not accept defeat, but for the sake of your own credibility lets not attempt to gaslight. 

 

The reason we are arguing about the Extreme 4, is because you decided to use it as an example. So let's not sidetrack, as this was introduced into the discussion because of yourself.

 

While I have no proof that the ATX Phantom 4 will cope with the 9900k, you have no proof that it won't. So what's your point? If you want to talk about physics, then, since the ITX Phantom packs more transistors into a smaller area than the ATX Phantom - this translates to the introduction of increased thermal density. Again proving your ignorance to the facts.

 

So, since there are plenty of benchmarks that shows the board performing great. Suddenly, since they don't show VRM temps, or do not mention problems from the VRM's that you shouldn't takeaway that the board is satisfactory? How is that at all logical?

 

I saw the Motherboard Tier List, and I understand they are not in the same tier. But you make it seem like it is a drastic difference, the ITX is literally only one above. 

 

And again, as you see from all the benches, spending MORE on a board doesn't necessarily translate to more performance. While YOU CAN spend more, that doesn't mean YOU SHOULD. Lastly, I never suggested a 9900k originally, I suggested that later on down the road the OP would be able to drop it in and be good to go. As you can see from the plethora of benchmarks above this concept is validated.

 

Claiming anything else further proves your insanity. 

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20 minutes ago, BiG StroOnZ said:

 

Well isn't that the pot calling the kettle black... You have been disproved at every single turn, yet you are still defending your statements. And even worse, you won't accept that you are wrong, have been proven wrong and are instead acting quite delusional at this point. Seriously buddy, learn to pick your battles.

 

I understand you are mad that you have been proven wrong, and will not accept defeat, but for the sake of your own credibility lets not attempt to gaslight. 

 

The reason we are arguing about the Extreme 4, is because you decided to use it as an example. So let's not sidetrack, as this was introduced into the discussion because of yourself.

 

While I have no proof that the ATX Phantom 4 will cope with the 9900k, you have no proof that it won't. So what's your point? If you want to talk about physics, then, since the ITX Phantom packs more transistors into a smaller area than the ATX Phantom - this translates to the introduction of increased thermal density. Again proving your ignorance to the facts.

 

So, since there are plenty of benchmarks that shows the board performing great. Suddenly, since they don't show VRM temps, or do not mention problems from the VRM's that you shouldn't takeaway that the board is satisfactory? How is that at all logical?

 

I saw the Motherboard Tier list, and I understand they are not in the same tier list. But you make it seem like it is a drastic difference, the ITX is literally only one above. 

 

And again, as you see from all the benches, spending MORE on a board doesn't necessarily translate to more performance. While YOU CAN spend more, that doesn't mean YOU SHOULD. Lastly, I never suggested a 9900k originally, I suggested that later on down the road the OP would be able to drop it in and be good to go. As you can see from the plethora of benchmarks above this concept is validated.

 

Claiming anything else further proves your insanity. 

How have I been disproved exactly ? You are arguing about the Extreme 4 when that isn't the board in question. you didn't spec that board so it is irrelevant. I could have posted a different board but just happens that I recalled that particular one. So no I am not wrong here. The Phantom 4 is a low end board and should not be anywhere near a 9900K.

 

If you want some visual proof on how good 'Low end boards are' you can watch this video. Virtually all of them failed with a 9900K when overclocked. The Phantom 4 isn't included but the ASRock Z390 Pro 4 is in there. The VRM and heatsink look identical to the Phantom 4.

 

 

As for spending more on a board for more performance well that depends. You can certainly spend less on a Gigabyte board and get more for your money than you would with the likes of Asus.