Will it be bottlenecked?

[iM8Pizza]

Good day everyone.

 

My PC has been serving me well but finally it has come to an end, some of it that is.

The motherboard has apparently died resulting in a boot loop, whenever I turn it on it will keep cycling through turning on then turning off seconds afterward and it will always do so until power to the PC is cut through unplugging. So is the state with my GPU, my lovely Sapphire TRIXX R9 390 that I bought at around the time it first came out, which is roughly 3 years, it outlived the warranty it had, sadly. 

All that is left of my PC are as follows:

i5-3330

8GB of RAM by Team 

64GB SSD boot drive, 1TB WD Black, 1TB WD Blue

Seasonic S12G 650W
and others.

 

It's been awhile since I really dive into the realm of PC and thus I am left behind in terms of news in the PC world. As for the motherboard, I see no need to go higher than it already was, it was adequate enough for my need, as long as it runs with CPU, I'll be fine. BUT, GPU is the one that I'm concerned about, will it be bottlenecked by my CPU? and if that's the case, by how much? because if it's going to be bottlenecked in a big way to the point I might as well get one that is cheaper, I want to know about that and get that cheaper one. The one GPU that I'm interested in buying as of now is the GTX 1660 since it is about the same price as the R9 390 when it first launched, but will it be overkill? because I'm very happy already with the performance that the R9 390 gives me, which card (as of this generation) will give me the same amount of performance or a tad better?

 

I have to also mention, I'm still playing with 1600x900. Thank you for your willingness to read this post, please do help me in the matter if you can. Thank you.

[PopsicleHustler]

Your I5 will be a noticeable bottleneck in modern game for 1660 especially at given resolution.

[GoldenLag]

rx 580 is a tad faster than the 390. that would be the closest.

 

or you can up the budget a bit and get a 1660 which is about 15% faster but costs about 15% more. 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gjM323/xfx-radeon-rx-580-8gb-gts-black-core-edition-video-card-rx-580p828d6

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MsWfrH/xfx-radeon-rx-580-8gb-gts-xxx-ed-video-card-rx-580p8dfd6

rx 580

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NHdxFT/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1660-6-gb-oc-video-card-gv-n1660oc-6gd

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/y2hKHx/evga-geforce-gtx-1660-6-gb-xc-black-gaming-video-card-06g-p4-1161-kr

GTX 1660

[iM8Pizza]

7 minutes ago, PopsicleHustler said:

Your I5 will be a noticeable bottleneck in modern game for 1660 especially at given resolution.

I see, so it won't output its supposed maximum performance?

 

5 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

rx 580 is a tad faster than the 390. that would be the closest.

 

or you can up the budget a bit and get a 1660 which is about 15% faster but costs about 15% more. 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gjM323/xfx-radeon-rx-580-8gb-gts-black-core-edition-video-card-rx-580p828d6

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MsWfrH/xfx-radeon-rx-580-8gb-gts-xxx-ed-video-card-rx-580p8dfd6

rx 580

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/NHdxFT/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1660-6-gb-oc-video-card-gv-n1660oc-6gd

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/y2hKHx/evga-geforce-gtx-1660-6-gb-xc-black-gaming-video-card-06g-p4-1161-kr

GTX 1660

ah yes the 580, but unfortunately (where I live) it's more expensive than the 1660, which is... well, a big no. http://sentracomputer.com/product.php?category=4 that's the local computer shop where I mostly buy my stuff from, I don't really want to buy from online when I can just get them from the local shop. the current exchange rate for IDR is 14230 for $1, so if you're wondering about the price, just divide it by that number. 

 

The cheapest 1660 there is the MSI NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 VENTUS XS 6G OC which cost about $262 whilst the cheapest 580 there PowerColor AMD Radeon RX 580 8GB DDR5 Red Dragon cost about $400. a comparatively HUGE gap.

[191x7]

An RX 570 8GB would be the direct replacement. I don't think you should go with anything stronger if you're keeping the i5 weakling and the 8GB of ddr3.

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, iM8Pizza said:

The cheapest 1660 there is the MSI NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 VENTUS XS 6G OC which cost about $262 whilst the cheapest 580 there PowerColor AMD Radeon RX 580 8GB DDR5 Red Dragon cost about $400. a comparatively HUGE gap.

that is some wacked pricing. gtx 1660 it is then. 

 

3 minutes ago, iM8Pizza said:

see, so it won't output its supposed maximum performance?

the CPU will hold back a bit yes. though there will allways be a bottleneck. and bottlenecking is mostly fearmingering in the community

[iM8Pizza]

4 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

An RX 570 8GB would be the direct replacement. I don't think you should go with anything stronger if you're keeping the i5 weakling and the 8GB of ddr3.

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

that is some wacked pricing. gtx 1660 it is then. 

 

the CPU will hold back a bit yes. though there will allways be a bottleneck. and bottlenecking is mostly fearmingering in the community

 

Would an i7 3770 help against the bottleneck? I found plenty of them going for sale with the lowest costing $122, should I make the upgrade on the CPU as well? what about the RAM? the current ram speed of mine is 1333Mhz, If I'm not mistaken that's the lowest speed for the DDR3, and it's also green.

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, iM8Pizza said:

Would an i7 3770 help against the bottleneck? I found plenty of them going for sale with the lowest costing $122, should I make the upgrade on the CPU as well? what about the RAM? the current ram speed of mine is 1333Mhz, If I'm not mistaken that's the lowest speed for the DDR3, and it's also green.

Save your cash. Wouldnt spend money on either

[191x7]

5 minutes ago, iM8Pizza said:

 

Would an i7 3770 help against the bottleneck? I found plenty of them going for sale with the lowest costing $122, should I make the upgrade on the CPU as well? what about the RAM? the current ram speed of mine is 1333Mhz, If I'm not mistaken that's the lowest speed for the DDR3, and it's also green.

There are two ways to go from here:

- Upgrading the CPU to the i7 3770 which would remove most of the bottleneck on the GTX 1660 + adding 8GB more RAM

- Buying the strongest GPU you can and then upgrading the rest of the platform soon (new CPU, MBO, RAM)

 

And also, get at least a 1080p monitor. CPU bottlenecks to the GPU are more announced on lower resolutions.

[iM8Pizza]

9 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Save your cash. Wouldnt spend money on either

I see, well. I found these two motherboards, the only ones that are in stock sadly, https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-H61M-DS2-rev-30#sp and https://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=898#specification the Gigabyte one seems to be more compelling to me since they have 2*Pcie x1 which can accommodate my PCie USB 3.0, but are there more things that you might know of that I don't? thank you.

8 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

There are two ways to go from here:

- Upgrading the CPU to the i7 3770 which would remove most of the bottleneck on the GTX 1660 + adding 8GB more RAM

- Buying the strongest GPU you can and then upgrading the rest of the platform soon (new CPU, MBO, RAM)

 

And also, get at least a 1080p monitor. CPU bottlenecks to the GPU are more announced on lower resolutions.

I see, I'd like to ask on why should I add 8gb more RAM? I've been going through lots of task before and have yet to reach the point where I actually need to have more than 8gb, only occasionally do I crash because of lack of RAM and that is because of me playing with ARMA 3 with plenty of mods and tabs open in the background.

I don't think I'll be upgrading my whole system soon since I have yet to find the point where I need to upgrade them, I run most of my games just fine with the current one (until 2 parts of it died).

For the monitor part, what if I just upscale the resolution instead? I mean, it looks ugly, but it's not a pressing matter for me, would it help?

 

[191x7]

12 minutes ago, iM8Pizza said:

I see, I'd like to ask on why should I add 8gb more RAM?...

For the monitor part, what if I just upscale the resolution instead? I mean, it looks ugly, but it's not a pressing matter for me, would it help?

 

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1080p monitors are cheap, especially buying used. Use the 1600x900 one as a second screen for productivity etc.

[iM8Pizza]

37 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

 

1080p monitors are cheap, especially buying used. Use the 1600x900 one as a second screen for productivity etc.

ah I see, but well I suppose I will stick to my current setup just with a new mobo and a new gpu, reason being I don't really see any reason to upgrade more since I'm cashing out a lot already and it appears to be adequate for the games that I play and the tasks that I do. As for the monitor, I agree, it looks bad, but I have to make do with what I have for now, perhaps later I will upgrade. Thank you for the responses

 

32 minutes ago, _StrikE_ said:

In all honesty it all depends on what you want to do, how you want to do it and what you play. Bottlenecking is heavily exaggerated especially on this forum. Another thing is that there are so many use case scenarios that bottlenecking isn't a constant occurrence, or situation. That card yes, at full power can be limited by the cpu. Does that mean it will affect you? Probably not,  depending on the games you play and if for instance you are using v-sync even with your current cpu you wont see much of a bottleneck. Just get the card and only if you feel limited then upgrade to a stronger cpu like the 3770. Even if not fully utilized now maybe you will feel like upgrading down the road and the extra horse power of the card will be a welcome addition, or you never know when you find a game that's more gpu intensive then cpu and again that extra performance comes in handy.

Thank you, I can understand your whole response and I suppose I feel that is what myself is saying deep down. Hopefully the 3770 will still be available at the market once I found myself needing the upgrade. Thank you for the response.

[iM8Pizza]

On 3/19/2019 at 11:16 PM, _StrikE_ said:

As a whole most markets are pretty saturated with them (the 3770s), of course it can depend by country but even in mine this is true, they where used in a lot of workstation, so this may be why that is. I'm sure there will still be plenty around if after a while of getting the card and testing you find yourself in need of an upgrade :p. Also this is just me, but i noticed your RAM brand and all you said about them, and if it where me if i ever was to upgrade the RAM as well (not saying you have to, this is just a "what if" if you feel for some reason doing it but still want to keep most of your current PC), i'd just sell what i have and go for some decent 1600 Mhz kit (looking at your MB chipset there doesn't seem to be worthwhile to get anything faster then that).

Hey, thank you for the response and I'm sorry for being late in responding you.

Yes I can agree that my RAM is somewhat lacking but I have yet to find the need to upgrade to a better one, not that I mind with upgrading but there are other things that has to be prioritized too, I'm just thinking of a way to make a cover for it since it doesn't really goes with the blue theme my pc has with the bare blue pcb the motherboard has and with leds and whatnot. Ah yes the 3770 seems to be plenty in circulation, I guess there will another one similar to it in the upcoming future, hopefully I can push it enough for modern titles in the upcoming years with my current setup