Will it be possible?

[Galion]

I was working on Abby's pc (Mini-Monster), I realized the only item that dictates the size of the build is actually just the graphics card. So I was wondering why don't AIB partners try getting their cards smaller (220mm or less), instead they are going in reverse (310mm or even more) it's as if they are returning to the starting point of the 2000s giant gpus again. Just look at msi's lightning card or aasus's strix card, freakin monsters they're even bigger then a itx board.

 

The most powerful mini card is a mid-ranged card (2070),i would love to see an air-cooled 2080ti in mini form, especially since more people are getting intrested in htpc cases and sff cases. Last gen in the 1000 series some of the companies tried their hands at shrinking a 1080 into a mini form. It would be nice to see them try that again, and AMD doesn't even try their AIB part make the amd cards "Huge" for some odd reason. 

 

I would love to fit a 2080ti into a tiny case, the bigger they are the more I see cards flex. 

[Skiiwee29]

Problem is heat generation and dissipation. With cards are powerful as they are, they generate a good amount of heat. If you shrink up the heat sink, thats less surface area to soak up that heat to effectively dissipate it. This is why the mini cards generally run a fair bit warmer than the normal full length versions. 

[Galion]

6 minutes ago, Skiiwee29 said:

Problem is heat generation and dissipation. With cards are powerful as they are, they generate a good amount of heat. If you shrink up the heat sink, thats less surface area to soak up that heat to effectively dissipate it. This is why the mini cards generally run a fair bit warmer than the normal full length versions. 

Yeah, I understand but I wish they'd at least give it a try. 

[Quadriplegic]

Why would they try if it were to result in worse product? 

Cards in 2000s were pretty small when compared to be honest, as they didn't have such beefy coolers.

And I don't understand the AMD part. Have you seen Vega cards? Even Pulse, a 2 fan card, is pretty damn big. 

[Galion]

21 minutes ago, Quadriplegic said:

Why would they try if it were to result in worse product? 

Cards in 2000s were pretty small when compared to be honest, as they didn't have such beefy coolers.

And I don't understand the AMD part. Have you seen Vega cards? Even Pulse, a 2 fan card, is pretty damn big. 

Those aren't small those are normal, the only small card was the vega 56 nano the rest aren't small. 

18 minutes ago, PacketMan said:

Well, Zotac is doing a great job making "tiny" cards, their mini versions are now avaliable in normal version for the RTX 2060

I love that small version, it's beautiful and the cooling solution is pretty good too

As they did with the 1080 ti, I hope they'll do with the 2080 ti

I agree have the GTX 1080 mini once it got crushed by the useless people in the airport, I just hope that navi do some minis or at least a vega vii, and 2080

[Skiiwee29]

if I had to guess, Zotac and Gigabyte likely did this internally and found it to be horrible and threw it in the trash bin. 

[Galion]

2 hours ago, PacketMan said:

Well, Zotac is doing a great job making "tiny" cards, their mini versions are now avaliable in normal version for the RTX 2060

I love that small version, it's beautiful and the cooling solution is pretty good too

As they did with the 1080 ti, I hope they'll do with the 2080 ti

The funny thing is it took zotac one of the smaller gpu companies to innovate the mini cards while the so called "premium" brands keep getting bigger and still tie down the voltage lock

[cluelessgenius]

2 things:

 

1. heat - with the 2080ti especially AIBs have gone so far as to watercool them (and in a very compact form mind you) so if you make the cooler smaller its gonna get hotter and perform worse.

 

2. dicksize - you heared me. the size of the card is still always also a dick measuring contest. the AMD R9 Nano wasnt a bad card at all but...well it didnt really "fill out" alot of cases, even itx once (cause even they are designed to hold longer once) some AIB actually lengthen the cooler even if no extra cooling is needed just to make the card look longer. now if that isnt a dick metaphor i dont know what is.

 

but i think its just a matter of time until for example the good people at zotac bring us a mini version like they did with the 1080 TI

[Galion]

3 minutes ago, cluelessgenius said:

2 things:

 

1. heat - with the 2080ti especially AIBs have gone so far as to watercool them (and in a very compact form mind you) so if you make the cooler smaller its gonna get hotter and perform worse.

 

2. dicksize - you heared me. the size of the card is still always also a dick measuring contest. the AMD Vega Nano wasnt a bad card at all but...well it didnt really "fill out" alot of cases, even itx once (cause even they are designed to hold longer once) some AIB actually lengthen the cooler even if no extra cooling is needed just to make the card look longer. now if that isnt a dick metaphor i dont know what is.

 

but i think its just a matter of time until for example the good people at zotac bring us a mini version like they did with the 1080 TI

Just look at powercolor rx vega 56 8gb red dragon the card was half the size of the cooler, even my friend that bought the card told me it looked like the nano card. The problem with their aio gpu is it won't fit if you're already using liquid cooler for your cpu 

[cluelessgenius]

19 minutes ago, Galion said:

Just look at powercolor rx vega 56 8gb red dragon the card was half the size of the cooler, even my friend that bought the card told me it looked like the nano card. The problem with their aio gpu is it won't fit if you're already using liquid cooler for your cpu 

agreed on the 56. no idea what you mean by that second part abuot watercooling

[Galion]

43 minutes ago, cluelessgenius said:

agreed on the 56. no idea what you mean by that second part abuot watercooling

Hmmm let's see when you build a itx system in a itx case usually when I put a liquid cooler I usually put it for my cpu first then I will get liquid cooling for my gpu even with hybrid cards like msi's seahawk it takes up alot of space. And if you're talking about zotac's custom liquid cooled 1080ti it's even more impossible for itx build as you'll need at least a 280 rad to cool both cpu/gpu, and you'll need a reservoir which takes up even more space in the case. Just look at fractal design core 500, silverstone sg13, coolermaster elite 130, or node 304 even if the whole rad and custom loops fit the reservoir won't fit. So what's the point of shrinking the custom cards with water blocks. When people who do custom loops will and I do mean will never go near a itx case for 3 basic reasons. 

 

[Galion]

Just now, PacketMan said:

Well not that small, chinese companies look like a joke in western countries but they are huge once you see their fame in China

Anyway at least they offer good quality products without that premium price like Asus and MSI

I know that's why I said wtf is the 3 biggest companies doing? If zotac can do minis big ass companies like asus should be shooting for the stars and not digging in the mud. Even Eddie ( my cousin) tells me when companies that become big they become lazy, they tend not to try to innovate their and stick to what the croud think they want. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

Given that Zotac made a GTX 1080 Ti mini, which is a 250W TDP card, and it performed more or less as well as an FE card, that proves someone can make an RTX 2080 Ti mini which has the same TDP rating.

 

The problem is, and I'm speculating, is that mini cards need binned chips. After all, they're working in even worse conditions than their larger counterparts. However, those binned chips could also be used in higher-end SKUs like EVGA's Classified. Considering there's a larger market for larger form factors and people who want to be cool like whoever is cool in the overclocking scene these days, those binned chips are likely going to be used in that situation.

 

Also mini-cards tend to be on the upper end of the expense range. People also think smaller things should be cheaper, as a common complaint about mini-ITX boards is they're too expensive for what they provide. This is on top of the fact that mini cards can't boost as fast or as long as their larger counter parts. So you have the unholy trifecta of "smaller board + lower performance + higher price = bad value"

Edited March 12, 2019 by Mira Yurizaki

[Galion]

3 hours ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

Given that Zotac made a GTX 1080 Ti mini, which is a 250W TDP card, and it performed more or less as well as an FE card, that proves someone can make an RTX 2080 Ti mini which has the same TDP rating.

 

The problem is, and I'm speculating, is that mini cards need binned chips. After all, they're working in even worse conditions than their larger counterparts. However, those binned chips could also be used in higher-end SKUs like EVGA's Classified. Considering there's a larger market for larger form factors and people who want to be cool like whoever is cool in the overclocking scene these days, those binned chips are likely going to be used in that situation.

 

Also mini-cards tend to be on the upper end of the expense range. People also think smaller things should be cheaper, as a common complaint about mini-ITX boards is they're too expensive for what they provide. This is on top of the fact that mini cards can't boost as fast or as long as their larger counter parts. So you have the unholy trifecta of "smaller board + lower performance + higher price = bad value"

I don't think it's binned because the zotac's minis aren't ranked as their higher end cards actually they are the third ranked (AMP ex, amp, blower then minis) one of the reviewer called tech of tomorrow one explained zotac took a reference 1080 and just made smaller custom board and removed the higher voltage clocks. So the card card would not as hot when it boosted up. The zotac's minis are like the Asus phoenix series reference in a small form or Asus's turbo cards they just choose not to make minis because just like clueless said its a dick measure contest, but what's the point of a big long dick that shoots blanks? Asus's turbo is hot, loud, and doesn't boost that well and expensive, why would I spend more on that when zotac has a blower as well at $200 less and performs just as hot and just as loud? 

 

Asus uses the idea of we're a "premium" brand and charges us extra when they had the same problems as the lower end cards, they weren't immune to the RTX 2080ti dead cards when they came out as well. Believe me I know I got one of the dead ones,i sold mine as soon they replaced mine.