Intel Next-Gen CPU Speculation

[Coachdude]

Let me preface this by saying this all purely speculation. However it's speculation based on current intel and amd offerings and what I think would make the most sense for them to do. None of this has any merit of any kind, I just think it's fun to speculate about these sorts of things...

 

Intel Core Gen 1-7 

 

i3s 2c/4t

i5s 4c/4t

i7s 4c/8t 

 

And this was the norm for over a decade until Ryzen's launch and their response with Coffee Lake which bumped each tier up two cores. And then again with Coffee Lake Refresh, which has the i7 9700K foregoing HT, and gets 8c/8t with HT reserved for the i9 which is 8c/16t. 

 

To me, it would make the most sense based on the generations prior for the next gen lineup to look something like this...

 

i3s 4c/8t ~$150ish 

i5s 8c/8t ~ $ 250ish

i7s 8c/16t ~ $ 350ish

i9s 10c+/20t+ ~ $450ish 

 

The i3s were always the same thread count as the i5s, but had half the cores. The i5s always had the same core count as the i7s, but had half the threads. So in this lineup the i3s would be bumped up to 4c/8t parts and the i7 9700K, which was effectively supposed to have been the 9th gen i5, becomes the next gen i5 with the same thread count as the i3, but again double the cores. And the i9 9900K which was historically speaking supposed to be this gen's i7 gets pushed back to i7 status on the next gen lineup. To me this would be a pretty compelling lineup overall based on Zen 2 rumoured specifications and this gen's known specifications. 

 

Again this is all speculation and holds no merit of any kind, but I'd like to hear what you guys think overall and what you guys think the next gen lineup will be. 

 

I think I can safely assume new motherboards will be required of course, because Intel. 

[r2724r16]

2 minutes ago, Coachdude said:

i3s 4c/8t ~$150ish 

i5s 8c/8t ~ $ 250ish

i7s 8c/16t ~ $ 350ish

i9s 10c+/20t+ ~ $450ish 

I don't know what'll be released, but Intel will surely need to compete with AMD once mainstream Zen 2 chips hit the market, perhaps with a $500 16 core CPU. And if their new i9 has 10C/20T (like you say), Intel won't be able to stay competitive and so your predictions are most likely incorrect.

[Coachdude]

Just now, Geography said:

I don't know what'll be released, but Intel will surely need to compete with AMD once mainstream Zen 2 chips hit the market, perhaps with a $500 16 core CPU. And if their new i9 has 10C/20T (like you say), Intel won't be able to stay competitive and so your predictions are most likely incorrect.

Well I did say for the i9s 10+. I'd assume they would leave their highest core counts for their i9 moniker. Intel have historically been that way. I concede the point that perhaps each tier should be bumped up to the tier above. But I would still expect the same product segmentation from them regardless, in regards to ht being disabled on certain models, etc. I could see the i3s listed being pentiums, and then the tiers shifted from there. But I would expect something in the range of those core and thread counts overall. 

[r2724r16]

Just now, Coachdude said:

Well I did say for the i9s 10+. I'd assume they would leave their highest core counts for their i9 moniker. Intel have historically been that way. I concede the point that perhaps each tier should be bumped up to the tier above. But I would still expect the same product segmentation from them regardless, in regards to ht being disabled on certain models, etc. I could see the i3s listed being pentiums, and then the tiers shifted from there. But I would expect something in the range of those core and thread counts overall. 

All you're saying is that core counts will go up... and everyone knows that.

 

Not sure what the point of this thread is.

[Coachdude]

Just now, Geography said:

All you're saying is that core counts will go up... and everyone knows that.

 

Not sure what the point of this thread is.

I stated in the beginning it had no merit. I just thought it'd be fun to speculate on what both amd's and intel's next gen releases could potentially look like given historical precedent and the current market. Have a good one and thanks for your thoughts!

[asand1]

They will be more expensive than AMD, and force everyone into buying yet another motherboard.

[Mister Woof]

My guess:

 

June 2019: AMD releases their 12/24 (4.5ghz), 8/16 (4.5ghz), and 6/12 (4.4ghz) chips at $500, $300, and $150. IPC they are maybe 5% better than Intel, and frequency they are somewhat behind, bringing their single-threaded performance to parity with Coffeelake; however, gaming performance still isn't as good because Ringbus vs. Zen2 IO controller isn't as good. At multi-threaded applications, AMD's superior core counts give them a win there.

 

Gaming and single-threaded workloads, like Adobe Premier, still are favored by Intel chips.

Intel releases the following sometime in 2020:

 

Pentium - 4/4 4ghz base no turbo

i3 - 4/8 4.7ghz boost $150

i5 - 6/12 5ghz boost $250

i7 - 8/16 5ghz boost $400

i9 - 10/20 5ghz boost $600

 

At this point, AMD drops the 16/32 4.7ghz $550 and 4/8 4.4ghz w/Navi integrated $99 bombs, and Intel scrambles with no answer.

 

 

 

[Coachdude]

Just now, Plutosaurus said:

My guess:

 

June 2019: AMD releases their 12/24 (4.5ghz), 8/16 (4.5ghz), and 6/12 (4.4ghz) chips at $500, $300, and $150. IPC they are maybe 5% better than Intel, and frequency they are somewhat behind, bringing their single-threaded performance to parity with Coffeelake; however, gaming performance still isn't as good because Ringbus vs. Zen2 IO controller isn't as good. At multi-threaded applications, AMD's superior core counts give them a win there.

 

Gaming and single-threaded workloads, like Adobe Premier, still are favored by Intel chips.

Intel releases the following sometime in 2020:

 

Pentium - 4/4 4ghz base no turbo

i3 - 4/8 4.7ghz boost $150

i5 - 6/12 5ghz boost $250

i7 - 8/16 5ghz boost $400

i9 - 10/20 5ghz boost $600

 

At this point, AMD drops the 16/32 4.7ghz $550 and 4/8 4.4ghz w/Navi integrated $99 bombs, and Intel scrambles with no answer.

 

 

 

Sounds reasonable honestly. Until Intel get their shit together with 10nm, I think amd's Zen 2 lineup will really give them a run for their money. I may very well indeed upgrade my 6700K to one of the Ryzen 5 8 core processors if that's what they end up being. I don't really need an upgrade per se, as all I care about is gaming performance, but it's more of a want vs need thing, and jumping from 4c/8t to 8c/16t @ ~4.5GHz or so is very tempting. I appreciate your thoughts, have a good one!

[Coachdude]

Just now, Plutosaurus said:

My guess:

 

June 2019: AMD releases their 12/24 (4.5ghz), 8/16 (4.5ghz), and 6/12 (4.4ghz) chips at $500, $300, and $150. IPC they are maybe 5% better than Intel, and frequency they are somewhat behind, bringing their single-threaded performance to parity with Coffeelake; however, gaming performance still isn't as good because Ringbus vs. Zen2 IO controller isn't as good. At multi-threaded applications, AMD's superior core counts give them a win there.

 

Gaming and single-threaded workloads, like Adobe Premier, still are favored by Intel chips.

Intel releases the following sometime in 2020:

 

Pentium - 4/4 4ghz base no turbo

i3 - 4/8 4.7ghz boost $150

i5 - 6/12 5ghz boost $250

i7 - 8/16 5ghz boost $400

i9 - 10/20 5ghz boost $600

 

At this point, AMD drops the 16/32 4.7ghz $550 and 4/8 4.4ghz w/Navi integrated $99 bombs, and Intel scrambles with no answer.

 

 

 

I would really challenge you on that i5 though. I think in that lineup it'd really be the 9700K now, so 8 cores without hyperthreading, and the same 1.5 mb l3 cache per core that i5s have historically gotten. I suppose they could do 6/12 for a "cleaner" lineup overall, but looking at their past and present offerings they really do like to product segment quite a bit.