New PC Build

[Kobal]

Hi, first Time on the forums been watching LTT for years though.

 

Anyway i am building my first PC, current PC is over 5 year old and wasn't top of the line when i bought it.

I need some critique of my current build along with advise for parts i don't have yet.

Build Goals

Budget 3500  (including a new monitor)

Game at 1440P @ 144hz

Air cooled overclock (Might go water in the future)

 

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($304.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG Crosshair VII Hero (Wi-Fi) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($259.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($247.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - FireCuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive  ($95.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card  ($1249.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: Corsair - 850 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($139.89 @ Newegg)
Total: $2548.73

 

Parts i am still missing

Case (Mid-Tower >150.00)

CPU Cooler

Case Fans

Monitor

Anything else i  am missing

[Nocte]

You could do with a PSU with less wattage, no need for 850W.

CPU cooler I would probably go with the Dark Rock Pro 4, case fans from Corsair / Noctua are good, case depends on your taste (I would probably get one from the Corsair Crystal series). I do not have too much knowledge about 1440p monitors so I will leave that to someone else, just don't overspend on GSync (not worth it imo).

[Kobal]

Updated Build

 

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG Crosshair VII Hero (Wi-Fi) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($259.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($262.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($247.92 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - FireCuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive  ($95.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card  ($1249.99 @ B&H)
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Evolv ATX Glass ATX Mid Tower Case  ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($82.95 @ B&H)
Case Fan: Corsair - LL120RGB LED (Three Fans With Lighting Node PRO) 43.25 CFM 120mm Fans  ($99.88 @ Newegg)
Total: $2744.59

 

Still need a cooler, the dark rock pro 4 looks huge. How would something like the Corsair H75 or h100 compare for cooling.

[Manderis]

With that budget i would either recommend going Intel, 8700k/9700k or maybe even 9900k, or waiting (upgrading later) for Zen2 (3rd gen Ryzen).

With a 2080ti you would see significant improvements even in 1440p (~10% higher frame rate in AAA titles).

Also i would recommend all SATA Storage if you are going to spend 350 $ on storage anyways. 500 GB system boot nvme ssd + cheaper SATA 1TB or 2 TB storage.

[Guest]

This just a gaming pc ? Or you doing anything else such as twitch streaming or video editing/rendering ?

[Guest]

Intel option. You could swap out the cpu to the 8700K for a bit less.

 

If you want the value for money option then stick with a Ryzen build.

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($418.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($84.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($202.98 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($109.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($134.99 @ B&H) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB GAMING OC Video Card  ($1299.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P600S ATX Mid Tower Case  ($159.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: Acer - XB271HU bmiprz 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor  ($599.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Total: $3171.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-25 10:50 EST-0500

[Guest]

Ryzen. Again you could save a bit by going with the R7 2700 and a cheaper board like the MSI B450/X470 Gaming Pro Carbon.

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($299.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($84.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS GAMING 7 WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($239.78 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($109.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($134.99 @ B&H) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB GAMING OC Video Card  ($1299.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P600S ATX Mid Tower Case  ($159.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: Acer - XB271HU bmiprz 27.0" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor  ($599.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Total: $3089.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-25 10:54 EST-0500

 

 

[Manderis]

For over all price to performance i would argue a 9700k beats the 2700x in a build with a 2080ti when you are hitting the 3k anyways. You get ~10% higher fps for 80 $ wich is less than 3% higher pricing of the over all build.

If you do nothing that would profit much form a higher core/thread count and you just want the best gaming experience possible i would go intel.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Manderis said:

For over all price to performance i would argue a 9700k beats the 2700x in a build with a 2080ti when you are hitting the 3k anyways. You get ~10% higher fps for 80 $ wich is less than 3% higher pricing of the over all build.

If you do nothing that would profit much form a higher core/thread count and you just want the best gaming experience possible i would go intel.

That might well change with Ryzen 3000.

[Manderis]

2 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

That might well change with Ryzen 3000

You are right, it might. And I really hope it will. AMD did change the CPU game for the better. And my sympathy is with them right now. 

 

So for OP if you want to bet for Ryzen 3rd Gen or even 4th Gen go with the 2700x because you will be able to upgrade the CPU in the same motherboard (for me also a value thing). Usually Intel will not offer much compatibility for older platforms.

 

But if you want the best you can get now, 9700k is the way to go. 
Waiting is really a hard thing in tech. Four Month from now there will be Ryzen 3, two Month later Intel 10th gen CPU will launch. We will maybe even see Navi GPU's at the end of the year being competitive (but probably not high end).

[Kobal]

I picked a Ryzen build because

This is primarily a gaming rig but will have secondary uses in modeling, rendering and some other work loads, a simpler upgrade path also i plan on going 3440x1440 and from what i understand at that resolution the difference between Ryzen and Intel Is much smaller (more GPU limited).

 

Updated Build

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($299.99 @ Amazon)

CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($84.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Motherboard: Asus - ROG Crosshair VII Hero (Wi-Fi) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($274.01 @ B&H)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($262.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($147.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card  ($1249.99 @ B&H)
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Evolv ATX Glass ATX Mid Tower Case  ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($82.95 @ B&H)
Case Fan: Corsair - LL120RGB LED (Three Fans With Lighting Node PRO) 43.25 CFM 120mm Fans  ($99.78 @ OutletPC)
Total: $2647.68

 

I decided to  go ahead and get the Dark Rock Pro 4, and drop the M.2 to 500 GB. I have a Samsung EV0 850 500 GB SSD and 4TB HDD that can make the trip over from my old PC for now. The Crucial P1 500GB is only 80.00, maybe a better buy than the EVO 970?. I am also thinking of a step down on the motherboard.

As built right now i have 800.00 for a monitor, i have narrowed it down to Benq EX3501R, Acer Z35P or the Acer X34P which would put me over my build budget but i can do it.

I have been watching and reading any reviews i can find, Any thoughts?

 

[Nibbler230]

If I understand the reviews and benchmarks correctly, the 2700x will bottleneck the heck out of a 2080 Ti. Especially at 1440p. And really a $300 CPU with a $1,300 GPU, really feels out of balance. But you are right the 2700x is still a kicker of a CPU and should do well on the modeling and rendering front. Lets all pray the Ryzan 3000 series can supply a 2080 Ti.

 

If you have the money and really want to use that GPU I would also recommend the 9700k or 9900k. But up to you.

 

I'm much less educated on monitors, but I personally think a $300-400 for a 1440p monitor sounds more reasonable. $800 should be more 4k area I think.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Nibbler230 said:

If I understand the reviews and benchmarks correctly, the 2700x will bottleneck the heck out of a 2080 Ti. Especially at 1440p. And really a $300 CPU with a $1,300 GPU, really feels out of balance. But you are right the 2700x is still a kicker of a CPU and should do well on the modeling and rendering front. Lets all pray the Ryzan 3000 series can supply a 2080 Ti.

 

If you have the money and really want to use that GPU I would also recommend the 9700k or 9900k. But up to you.

 

I'm much less educated on monitors, but I personally think a $300-400 for a 1440p monitor sounds more reasonable. $800 should be more 4k area I think.

What reviews you been looking at ? The 2700/X is perfectly fine. Also how is a $300 cpu and $1300 unbalanced ? Not like he is getting a low end cpu is it ? The 2700X is currently the best cpu on Ryzen so not sure I follow your logic. Why pay $500 for a 9900K when the 2700/X is much cheaper ?

[Nibbler230]

 

Probably mostly that one.

 

 

And after rewatching the video I will amend my statement a bit. The 2700/X does still seem to bottleneck the 2080 Ti, but only by a little bit compared to other CPUs at 1440P. Most of the charts I saw there with more serious bottlenecking was at 1080P.

 

So with a good monitor, high settings, and a graphically demanding game the paring actually makes a lot more sense. So maybe the price difference to be where you are spending 4X the amount on a GPU is just stupid to me.

[Guest]

53 minutes ago, Nibbler230 said:

 

Probably mostly that one.

 

 

And after rewatching the video I will amend my statement a bit. The 2700/X does still seem to bottleneck the 2080 Ti, but only by a little bit compared to other CPUs at 1440P. Most of the charts I saw there with more serious bottlenecking was at 1080P.

 

So with a good monitor, high settings, and a graphically demanding game the paring actually makes a lot more sense. So maybe the price difference to be where you are spending 4X the amount on a GPU is just stupid to me.

Intel is still faster at 1080p and 1440p when using a high refresh rate monitor with a suitable gpu. If you are using a 2080 ti then you are more likely to be gaming at 1440p or 4K. At 1080p it would be a waste. So yeah Intel can push out a higher frame rate in most games, but that doesn't mean Ryzen is a bad choice. It might mean 120fps instead of 140fps for example. You are still getting a good gaming experience with Ryzen.

 

As for the cpu and gpu price difference well that is just the way pricing is. If the 9900K was the same price as an R7 2700X would you still have the same issue ? I don't see how the price is relevant as long as you are getting a balanced system. I mean you could buy a 32 Core Threadripper 2990WX cpu for $1700. Doesn't mean it is any better than a $300 2700X for gaming.