Looking to upgrade

[Hated457]

Case- Corsair Crystal 570X
Prcessor- Intel Celeron G3930
Ram- Corsair Vengeance LPX 1X8GB
Cooling-  4 Corsair SP120 RGB, Stock Intel CPU Fan (Have a better CPU cooler waiting on thermal paste to arrive.)
Storage- WD Blue 1TB HDD, 750GB HDD with Windows 10
Motherboard- Asus ROG Strix H270F Gaming
Video Card- XFX Radeon RX580 8GB
Power supply- EVGA 600watt Bronze 80+

 

I just recently upgraded to the RX580 8GB and it solved most of the issues I was having while gaming. Currently I am mainly play They Are Billions. When I get further into the game when theres alot of zombies running around I experience alot of lag. I think the current issue i am having is the CPU. The CPU likes to hit 100% even outside of games. Ive had it hit 100% while just watching a movie and moving a few files around. I turned off a couple of features for Windows 10 and it helped a ton. But i still have the issues on occasion. So the question is do I need to upgrade the CPU? Or could it be other issues? If it needs replaced I would be looking for something around $200.

 

Side note. I have another 8GB stick of ram coming. I am also ordering a 250GB SSD on Friday to use for a boot drive. Any suggestions on brand?

[Cereal5]

Welcome to the forum. Thanks for posting all the info you did, it'll make helping you that much easier.

 

You pretty much guessed it. If you have $200 to spend, you might be able to find an i7-6700 or i7-7700. Those will both work in your motherboard and should give you a serious improvement. If you have trouble finding an i7 for that price, an i5-6600/7600 would be the next best option. But I would try to spend the extra on the i7, it'll keep the computer relevant for that much longer. I don't remember if The Are Billions is that RAM needy or not, but it will most likely help anyways.

[LukeSavenije]

@Cereal5 pretty much said everything you need to know about that part

 

for the ssd, I would look into crucial (micron) mx500 and samsung 860 evo. I personally have both, and they are great. just get the cheapest of those 2. 500 gb is the sweetspot right now

[191x7]

The CPU is a huge bottleneck to the game performance. I'd recommend an i7 like the 6700 or 7700, but if that's too expensive for you an i5 might also work (but note that it would also bottleneck in some CPU heavy games like Battlefield V multiplayer).

 

The HDD is a bottleneck to the overall speed of the system, that's why you need an SSD for the OS and the programs etc.

 

Adding an additional stick of RAM would also be beneficial since it would enable the dual channel memory mode. Not a huge boost but not bad either.

[Hated457]

1 hour ago, LukeSavenije said:

@Cereal5 pretty much said everything you need to know about that part

 

for the ssd, I would look into crucial (micron) mx500 and samsung 860 evo. I personally have both, and they are great. just get the cheapest of those 2. 500 gb is the sweetspot right now

I noticed that most brands have the M.2 for the same price. Is there any advantage to buying it instead?

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, Hated457 said:

I noticed that most brands have the M.2 for the same price. Is there any advantage to buying it instead?

m.2 is nothing more than a formfactor. nvme is the speed difference. but for gaming nvme gives little to no difference in gaming. it's just that the mx500 (both the sata and m.2) are cheaper than a 860 evo.

[Hated457]

18 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

m.2 is nothing more than a formfactor. nvme is the speed difference. but for gaming nvme gives little to no difference in gaming. it's just that the mx500 (both the sata and m.2) are cheaper than a 860 evo.

If I go with the m.2 I can avoid redoing any wiring so may just do that. Thanks for the help.

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, Hated457 said:

If I go with the m.2 I can avoid redoing any wiring so may just do that. Thanks for the help.

that's a fair reason to get m.2

 

good luck!

[Hated457]

2 hours ago, Cereal5 said:

Welcome to the forum. Thanks for posting all the info you did, it'll make helping you that much easier.

 

You pretty much guessed it. If you have $200 to spend, you might be able to find an i7-6700 or i7-7700. Those will both work in your motherboard and should give you a serious improvement. If you have trouble finding an i7 for that price, an i5-6600/7600 would be the next best option. But I would try to spend the extra on the i7, it'll keep the computer relevant for that much longer. I don't remember if The Are Billions is that RAM needy or not, but it will most likely help anyways.

How much better would a i7-8700 be compared to a i7-7700? Im finding the 8700 for $300 and the 7700 is around $340. My current mother board doesnt support the 8700 but i think i have one that does.

 

Also if you could give me a crash course in what the numbers mean in i7-7700. Is the i7 the generation? Is the 7700 the model in that generation?

[Cereal5]

1 hour ago, Hated457 said:

How much better would a i7-8700 be compared to a i7-7700? Im finding the 8700 for $300 and the 7700 is around $340. My current mother board doesnt support the 8700 but i think i have one that does.

 

Also if you could give me a crash course in what the numbers mean in i7-7700. Is the i7 the generation? Is the 7700 the model in that generation?

I should have mentioned to look on ebay. The CPUs I listed are no longer made any more so any new stock will just be left overs that sellers mark up. Buyers protection pretty much alleviates all stresses of buying bad hardware on ebay now, so you should be able to find a used CPU for around the $200 mark.

 

The "i" plus number is the type of processor. i3 is lower end, i5 mid range, i7 high end. The one thousand digit (6000 or 7000 in this case) is the generation. So an i7-7700 is a high end 7th gen "Intel core i" series processor. The hundreds digit number can change depending on what type of processor it is, but generally the higher the better (not always though). For instance, for 7th gen core i5 CPUs, there are 3 main SKUs (and lots of extra SKUs): i5-7400, i5-7500, and i5-7600 (and one more for later). They all have the same core and thread count (designated by the i5), they are all Kaby Lake CPUs (designated by the 7000), but the 7500 has a higher clock speed than the 7400, and the 7600 is faster than both of them.

 

Also, for all core i CPUs (used to be just i5 and i7, now includes i3 and i9), there is one SKU that ends in K (called a K SKU (example: i5-7600K, i7-7700K, i3-7350K). Only the SKUs that end in K can be overclocked, and only if they are used with the correct motherboard. You do not have an overclocking motherboard, so don't worry about it. There are other letters that can follow a processors numbers, like T (for low power) or U (generally for laptops).

[Hated457]

10 hours ago, Cereal5 said:

I should have mentioned to look on ebay. The CPUs I listed are no longer made any more so any new stock will just be left overs that sellers mark up. Buyers protection pretty much alleviates all stresses of buying bad hardware on ebay now, so you should be able to find a used CPU for around the $200 mark.

 

The "i" plus number is the type of processor. i3 is lower end, i5 mid range, i7 high end. The one thousand digit (6000 or 7000 in this case) is the generation. So an i7-7700 is a high end 7th gen "Intel core i" series processor. The hundreds digit number can change depending on what type of processor it is, but generally the higher the better (not always though). For instance, for 7th gen core i5 CPUs, there are 3 main SKUs (and lots of extra SKUs): i5-7400, i5-7500, and i5-7600 (and one more for later). They all have the same core and thread count (designated by the i5), they are all Kaby Lake CPUs (designated by the 7000), but the 7500 has a higher clock speed than the 7400, and the 7600 is faster than both of them.

 

Also, for all core i CPUs (used to be just i5 and i7, now includes i3 and i9), there is one SKU that ends in K (called a K SKU (example: i5-7600K, i7-7700K, i3-7350K). Only the SKUs that end in K can be overclocked, and only if they are used with the correct motherboard. You do not have an overclocking motherboard, so don't worry about it. There are other letters that can follow a processors numbers, like T (for low power) or U (generally for laptops).

Ok. Thank you for the explanation. I was looking at Ebay earlier and was going to ask if it was worth buying a used CPU. I found a few i7-7700T for around $150 and a few i7-7700 for $200. The main difference seemed to be the speed. The 7700T is 2.9GHz and the 7700 is 3.6GHz. Is the speed difference worth the extra $50?

[Cereal5]

7 hours ago, Hated457 said:

Ok. Thank you for the explanation. I was looking at Ebay earlier and was going to ask if it was worth buying a used CPU. I found a few i7-7700T for around $150 and a few i7-7700 for $200. The main difference seemed to be the speed. The 7700T is 2.9GHz and the 7700 is 3.6GHz. Is the speed difference worth the extra $50?

I've never used a T SKU CPU in a build before, and you don't really see them used in custom builds either. They're more for like mass workstation use to draw less power I think. I would go with the 7700 If you can afford it. You can also look for a 6700 if you still want to save a few bucks.

[Hated457]

On 2/4/2019 at 11:37 PM, Cereal5 said:

I've never used a T SKU CPU in a build before, and you don't really see them used in custom builds either. They're more for like mass workstation use to draw less power I think. I would go with the 7700 If you can afford it. You can also look for a 6700 if you still want to save a few bucks.

Ok. Thank you. I have found some good deals on AMD chips and motherboards for around the $200 range. Is Ryzen better? Ive read its susposed to be better for budget builds. So i guess the question is would a i7-7700 be better than a AMD Ryzen 5 2400G?

Also i came across a i5-8400 in Amazon today for $179. Reviews had people saying its a great budget CPU. Any thoughts?

[Cereal5]

10 minutes ago, Hated457 said:

Ok. Thank you. I have found some good deals on AMD chips and motherboards for around the $200 range. Is Ryzen better? Ive read its susposed to be better for budget builds. So i guess the question is would a i7-7700 be better than a AMD Ryzen 5 2400G?

Also i came across a i5-8400 in Amazon today for $179. Reviews had people saying its a great budget CPU. Any thoughts?

Getting an 8400 would require a new motherboard, and I would take a 7700 over an 8400. The 2400G is a 4c/8t CPU, so it's not any better. If you want to upgrade to Ryzen, look at either a 2600 or 2700, depending on how many cores you need/want. Or just use what you have until Zen 2 comes out mid year this year and decide what route to take then. Up to you.

[Hated457]

1 minute ago, Cereal5 said:

Getting an 8400 would require a new motherboard, and I would take a 7700 over an 8400. The 2400G is a 4c/8t CPU, so it's not any better. If you want to upgrade to Ryzen, look at either a 2600 or 2700, depending on how many cores you need/want. Or just use what you have until Zen 2 comes out mid year this year and decide what route to take then. Up to you.

Ok cool. Thanks for all your help. Gonna go ahead and order a 7700. I like the motherboard i have now and really dont wanna redo everything until i get a modular power supply... Downside to a full tempered case is cable management is a pain...

[Cereal5]

Just now, Hated457 said:

Ok cool. Thanks for all your help. Gonna go ahead and order a 7700. I like the motherboard i have now and really dont wanna redo everything until i get a modular power supply... Downside to a full tempered case is cable management is a pain...

It is no matter what lol. Hope you enjoy it.