New to PC building

[UnbarringClient]

Hello I am new to pc building (somewhat). I've put hardware together before and I know how to build a functioning work station however I want to switch from console to pc gaming. I've spend the last couple of days reaserching compatibility and performance and I've made a list of everything I believe is a good start. However as I said I am new and before spending over a 1000 big one on all this hardware, I would like advice from more experience users. Also please note I am trying to build a balance budget performance rig. I want something that can play top title rpg, rts, and shooter type games but I understand that every game is more demanding in different ways. Also I am trying to keep it where I can make future upgrades such as better cpu and gpu as well. I also plan on using air cooling instead of liquid cooling (I understand liquid cooling has better chance of being faulty and more expensive)

 

PC Build

 

Intel I5-8400 (cpu) $199.99

Asus prime Z370-a (motherboard) $169.99

ZOTAC GeForce gtx 1060 6gb (video) $209.99

Corsair Vengance 2X8gb ddr4 2400 (ram) $104.74

Thermaltake View 71 tempered glass (tower) $154.99

CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO (CPU cooler) $34.99

Crucial MX500 1tb SATA III SSD (storage) $134.99

EVGA 400W (power supply) $34.04

X3 Cooler master sickleflow 120mm (case fan) $29.97

 

Total cost: 1,073.69 on newegg

 

 

[R U CRAZY]

5 minutes ago, UnbarringClient said:

Hello I am new to pc building (somewhat). I've put hardware together before and I know how to build a functioning work station however I want to switch from console to pc gaming. I've spend the last couple of days reaserching compatibility and performance and I've made a list of everything I believe is a good start. However as I said I am new and before spending over a 1000 big one on all this hardware, I would like advice from more experience users. Also please note I am trying to build a balance budget performance rig. I want something that can play top title rpg, rts, and shooter type games but I understand that every game is more demanding in different ways. Also I am trying to keep it where I can make future upgrades such as better cpu and gpu as well. I also plan on using air cooling instead of liquid cooling (I understand liquid cooling has better chance of being faulty and more expensive)

 

PC Build

 

Intel I5-8400 (cpu) $199.99

Asus prime Z370-a (motherboard) $169.99

ZOTAC GeForce gtx 1060 6gb (video) $209.99

Corsair Vengance 2X8gb ddr4 2400 (ram) $104.74

Thermaltake View 71 tempered glass (tower) $154.99

CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO (CPU cooler) $34.99

Crucial MX500 1tb SATA III SSD (storage) $134.99

EVGA 400W (power supply) $34.04

X3 Cooler master sickleflow 120mm (case fan) $29.97

 

Total cost: 1,073.69 on newegg

 

 

So being a budget build, maybe take a smaller SSD, like 256GB as a boot drive and a 1TB hard drive.

[ch3w2oy]

While you will have a good upgrade path from the 8400, going Ryzen, imo, would be better and offer a better/cheaper upgrade path.

 

Here's a better build than you have now. I think the RX 580 is a better value and can usually perform better. Not sure why you want that thermaltake case but here's a cheaper alternative. With this you can easily upgrade CPUs and GPUs. Next gen Ryzen will be totally worth it.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$199.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus - ROG STRIX X470-F Gaming ATX AM4 Motherboard	$179.99 @ Walmart
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$119.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial - MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$134.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	XFX - Radeon RX 580 8 GB GTS XXX ED Video Card	$189.89 @ OutletPC
Case	Cooler Master - MasterBox MB530P ATX Mid Tower Case	$109.99 @ B&H
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$59.99 @ B&H
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1094.73
	Mail-in rebates	-$100.00
	Total	$994.73
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-10 23:22 EST-0500

 

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

8 minutes ago, UnbarringClient said:

Intel I5-8400 (cpu) $199.99

Asus prime Z370-a (motherboard) $169.99

ZOTAC GeForce gtx 1060 6gb (video) $209.99

rework everything and stick with rtx2060 and ryzen 2600 as bare minimum

[ch3w2oy]

2 minutes ago, R U CRAZY said:

So being a budget build, maybe take a smaller SSD, like 256GB as a boot drive and a 1TB hard drive.

With the price of SSDs, if you can fit it in, do it. I wont ever be buying an HDD again, unless I start to download a ton of 4k movies (not likely). Only if you need over like 2tb would I look into mechanical hard drives. Now, if the SSD price gets in the way of upgrading another part, then I can agree with you, otherwise, I just can't.

[ch3w2oy]

2 minutes ago, dgsddfgdfhgs said:

rework everything and stick with rtx2060 and ryzen 2600 as bare minimum

I keep seeing 2060 but I can't find one place to buy it. Is it out yet?

[Slottr]

You can use pcpartpicker.com to make lists, makes the entire situation much easier

 

For your list though, I'd probably swap to something like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	$164.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard	$114.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$124.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial - MX500 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$49.89 @ OutletPC
Storage	Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$44.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB STRIX Video Card	$354.99 @ Newegg
Case	Fractal Design - Meshify C TG ATX Mid Tower Case	$99.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Corsair - CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply	$59.89 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1054.51
	Mail-in rebates	-$40.00
	Total	$1014.51
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-10 23:27 EST-0500

 

RTX 2060's are gonna be available soon too, if you want to take that into consideration.

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

1 minute ago, tomswife said:

I keep seeing 2060 but I can't find one place to buy it. Is it out yet?

not yet 15jan, you can think it is a new gtx1070/ti for $350

[R U CRAZY]

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($164.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($114.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($139.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($49.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($44.89 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: RTX 2060
Case: Thermaltake -  View 71 TG RGB ATX Full Tower Case  ($181.45 @ Newegg Business) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CX 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.88 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $985.97

This is my suggestion and no, the RTX 2060 isn't out yet.

[UnbarringClient]

1 hour ago, tomswife said:

While you will have a good upgrade path from the 8400, going Ryzen, imo, would be better and offer a better/cheaper upgrade path.

 

Here's a better build than you have now. I think the RX 580 is a better value and can usually perform better. Not sure why you want that thermaltake case but here's a cheaper alternative. With this you can easily upgrade CPUs and GPUs. Next gen Ryzen will be totally worth it.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$199.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus - ROG STRIX X470-F Gaming ATX AM4 Motherboard	$179.99 @ Walmart
Memory	G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$119.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial - MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$134.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	XFX - Radeon RX 580 8 GB GTS XXX ED Video Card	$189.89 @ OutletPC
Case	Cooler Master - MasterBox MB530P ATX Mid Tower Case	$109.99 @ B&H
Power Supply	EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$59.99 @ B&H
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1094.73
	Mail-in rebates	-$100.00
	Total	$994.73
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-10 23:22 EST-0500

 

With this build what would my best gpu upgrades be? How far could I go before my other components such as cpu need to stepped up? Also I just picked the case mostly for visuals but I suppose it would be better to sacrifice that for more performance.

[ch3w2oy]

10 minutes ago, UnbarringClient said:

With this build what would my best gpu upgrades be? How far could I go before my other components such as cpu need to stepped up? Also I just picked the case mostly for visuals but I suppose it would be better to sacrifice that for more performance.

Probably whatever you wanted. If you want to upgrade CPUs and GPUs I recommend getting a decent board. Otherwise like Slottr said above, you can get the 1070 and other cheaper components.

 

The 2600X will be fine for probably any GPU you decide to upgrade to. I'm using a Liquid Vega 64 (better than 1080, imo) and I'm just fine. Any CPU can be a bottleneck depending on the game, graphic settings and other factors. But nothing should be much of an issue with this CPU. And the upgrade path is great, you can get a better GPU and if you later decide the CPU is in fact a bottleneck you can always upgrade it, since that's the plan anyway.

[UnbarringClient]

7 minutes ago, tomswife said:

Probably whatever you wanted. If you want to upgrade CPUs and GPUs I recommend getting a decent board. Otherwise like Slottr said above, you can get the 1070 and other cheaper components.

 

The 2600X will be fine for probably any GPU you decide to upgrade to. I'm using a Liquid Vega 64 (better than 1080, imo) and I'm just fine. Any CPU can be a bottleneck depending on the game, graphic settings and other factors. But nothing should be much of an issue with this CPU. And the upgrade path is great, you can get a better GPU and if you later decide the CPU is in fact a bottleneck you can always upgrade it, since that's the plan anyway.

Something that I feel worried about is overclocking. I know most if not all AMD chips can be over clocked however if I get close to the same performance with the 8400 I feel that would be a safer way to go if all I have to sacrifice a a couple bucks here and there. I'm not very trusting in myself to do something like over clock. Knowing my luck I'd kill the whole system some how and dont have very many friends around me that know anything about computers in general. However if I can achieve the same performance with the bonus of future upgrades at manufacturing specs, then that cpu gpu set up does appeal to me more.

 

Thank you for yalls advice. I'll probably wait out a while longer though for newer hardware such as that 2060 to come out before devoting to something. 

[ch3w2oy]

You don't need to overclock the 2600X, that's why it's the X version. The non X is what most people overclock to achieve the same results the 2600X provides without overclocking. The 2600X is way better than the 8400, imo, and will leave you with a better upgrade path because the next upgrade will be cheaper than if you went Intel, for pretty much same if not better performance.

 

Ask anyone on this forum, it's almost a no-brainer. I know you may think the Intel path will be easier because you might be familiar with it, and so did I at first, but AMD is just as easy and there's no reason you have to overclock the X variants. Everything is pretty much the same if you're not overclocking.

[Manderis]

Amd will support the am4 platform for atleast the next two generations. That is somehow one of the most important and valuable promises that hardware company's made in the last 10 years or so. 

 

You can't break anything with overclocking now a days if you don't fuck too much with cpu voltage. Don't go higher than 1.35 (not for every chip, mostly a rule of thumb) without doing proper research and if the overclock fails your bios just gets reset and everything is fine again. 

 

And you can use the Amd master software for light oc with a windows program if you are not comfortable with bios oc

 

So for "Futur proofing" your PC go with Amd. 

If you are going too wait a month or two anyway it might be worth checking out 1160 performance and pricing but if you want to buy now just go for current hardware.