Posted January 9, 2019 Hi everyone, I finally decided to take a lip forward and go for my first build. My objectives are: a decent gaming-only rig that will last for quite a while (4K ideally - Full HD for sure, VR could happen) for 1700€ (components are more expansive here in EU). Sales are ongoing so I might be able to get some of the stuff cheeper. I still need to figure out the screen, keyboard and network card (300€). Games: KSP, Star citizen, Doom, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Witcher 3, DeusEx : Mankind Devided Started from the top: Now I'm there: Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX Z390-E GAMING Carte mère Intel Z390 Socket LGA1151 - 245€ CPU: Intel Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz - 270€ RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16Go (2x8Go) DDR4 3200MHz - 255€ Cooling: Corsair Hydro H100i v2 - 130€ GPU: Gigabyte Nvidia GeForce RTX 2070 1620 MHz PCI Express - 570€ Storage: WD Blue 500GB 3D NAND Internal SSD M.2 SATA - 90€ Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 2 To SATA - 75€ Corsair Crystal 460X RGB - 140€ Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 750 W - 80 Plus - 110€ I would like to try a little overclocking at some point... Few questions: -Can I swap the liquid cooling for a Noctua NH-U14S without loosing too much cooling efficiency (-60€)? -Is 3200MHz RAM mandatory and how much of a difference will it make if I pick lower and a different brand? -6Go/s SATA VS NVMe... Worth upgrading for the price (+60€)? -2070 vs 1070Ti (-100€) This is so much of a struggle for a newbie and I apologise in advance if this build looks wrong. Cheers! A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Argalaprohis said: Few questions: -Can I swap the liquid cooling for a Noctua NH-U14S without loosing too much cooling efficiency (-60€)? -Is 3200MHz RAM mandatory and how much of a difference will it make if I pick lower and a different brand? -6Go/s SATA VS NVMe... Worth upgrading for the price (+60€)? -2070 vs 1070Ti (-100€) yes, but I would swap it to a nhd15 or dark rock pro 4 as long as the timings and speed are the same, they'll probebly be the same nand, as long as it's a reputable company, you're fine imo not for gaming 2070=~1080 with raytracing 1070 ti oc=~1080 I'll be right back with something better than that build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 That motherboard is a bit overkill. You can save €100 on that no problem. PC Specs - AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D - MSI B550M Mortar - 32GB Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR4-3600 @ CL16 - ASRock RX7800XT - 660p 1TBGB & Crucial P5 1TB - Fractal Define Mini C - CM V750v2 - Windows 11 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, NelizMastr said: That motherboard is a bit overkill. You can save €100 on that no problem. and effective 4 phase... z390 aorus would be much better imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 Author 16 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said: I'll be right back with something better than that build Dude, thanks! But rather than stupidly buying parts, I would really like to understand where I got stuff wrong/overkilled 1080s are more expansive than RTX2070 here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Argalaprohis said: Dude, thanks! But rather than stupidly buying parts, I would really like to understand where I got stuff wrong/overkilled 1080s are more expansive than RTX2070 here... okay... then I'll help ya choose over making up something myself... do you mind going amd? i was just making the point that a stock 2070 will perform around the same as a overclocked 1070 ti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 Author 1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said: okay... then I'll help ya choose over making up something myself... do you mind going amd? Not really, can't be picky at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 26 minutes ago, Argalaprohis said: Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX Z390-E GAMING Carte mère Intel Z390 Socket LGA1151 - 245€ CPU: Intel Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz - 270€ RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16Go (2x8Go) DDR4 3200MHz - 255€ Cooling: Corsair Hydro H100i v2 - 130€ GPU: Gigabyte Nvidia GeForce RTX 2070 1620 MHz PCI Express - 570€ Storage: WD Blue 500GB 3D NAND Internal SSD M.2 SATA - 90€ Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 2 To SATA - 75€ Corsair Crystal 460X RGB - 140€ Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 750 W - 80 Plus - 110€ but I'll start with criticizing it then get a 9600k if the difference in price is small don't go z390 asus, because the vrms are pretty bad, gigabyte aorus and some asrock boards are much better you can go much cheaper on your ram, any 3000+ mhz ram will do the aorus or the windforce 2070? would personally get a mx500 or 860 evo no problems with the hdd imo something like a meshify c, focus g, h500 (cooler master), mb511 (rgb) would be cheaper and as good if not better 750 watt is really overkill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 Just now, Argalaprohis said: Not really, can't be picky at this point then look around for the 2600 too, it performs like a 8500, but has ht and costs around 150-200 bucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 Author 9 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said: then look around for the 2600 too, it performs like a 8500, but has ht and costs around 150-200 bucks What about 2600X + X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING? I really think i should decide to go team blue or team red before crawling under a ton under CPUs 14 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said: the aorus or the windforce 2070? Windforce is way less expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Argalaprohis said: What about 2600X + X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING? I really think i should decide to go team blue or team red before crawling under a ton under CPUs Windforce is way less expensive get a non-x, it only turbos higher, you can still overclock normal chips to at least that level, I would personally get a x470 fatal1ty/taichi/taichi ultimate, as they all have a great power delivery, but there are more boards too. what about other 2070's? and 1070 ti's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Argalaprohis said: What about 2600X + X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING? I really think i should decide to go team blue or team red before crawling under a ton under CPUs Whether to go red or blue depends on your resolution. If you're going to run 1080p for the most part, I'd go Intel. If you're going 4K from the get go, it's just a matter of getting the best bang for the buck. My two cents: Intel: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel - Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor (€271.88 @ Amazon France) CPU Cooler: Deepcool - CAPTAIN 240EX RGB 153.04 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (€119.99 @ Amazon France) Motherboard: MSI - MAG Z390 TOMAHAWK ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€157.00 @ Amazon France) Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (€140.10 @ Amazon France) Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (€103.98 @ FNAC) Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€62.99 @ Cdiscount) Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card (€569.90 @ Amazon France) Case: Corsair - Crystal 460X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case (€149.99 @ Amazon France) Power Supply: Corsair - RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (€109.90 @ Corsair) Total: €1685.73Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-09 11:21 CET+0100 AMD: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (€229.80 @ Amazon France) CPU Cooler: Deepcool - CAPTAIN 240EX RGB 153.04 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (€119.99 @ Amazon France) Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard (€157.89 @ Alternate) Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (€140.10 @ Amazon France) Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (€103.98 @ FNAC) Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€62.99 @ Cdiscount) Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card (€569.90 @ Amazon France) Case: Corsair - Crystal 460X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case (€149.99 @ Amazon France) Power Supply: Corsair - RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (€109.90 @ Corsair) Total: €1644.54Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-09 11:25 CET+0100 PC Specs - AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D - MSI B550M Mortar - 32GB Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR4-3600 @ CL16 - ASRock RX7800XT - 660p 1TBGB & Crucial P5 1TB - Fractal Define Mini C - CM V750v2 - Windows 11 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 Author 6 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said: x470 fatal1ty/taichi/taichi ultimate God they are expensive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 Just now, Argalaprohis said: God they are expensive... fatal1ty too? I know the taichi is expensive, but that would be weird... what about the pro carbon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 Author 6 minutes ago, NelizMastr said: Whether to go red or blue depends on your resolution. If you're going to run 1080p for the most part, I'd go Intel. If you're going 4K from the get go, it's just a matter of getting the best bang for the buck Okay so from what I understand, 4K is still pretty expensive. Anyway thanks for the amazing builds, I will need some time to absorbe all of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 Author 7 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said: fatal1ty too? I know the taichi is expensive, but that would be weird... what about the pro carbon? Msi MPG Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon - 215€ Asrock X470 Gaming K4 - 180€ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 Just now, Argalaprohis said: Msi MPG Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon - 215€ Asrock X470 Gaming K4 - 180€ not the one I meant... the x470 pro carbon and do you mind going b450? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 Author 3 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said: x470 pro carbon 190€ so way better 10 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said: and do you mind going b450? Now I'm lost, how big of a difference is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Argalaprohis said: 190€ so way better Now I'm lost, how big of a difference is there? x470: more ports possible, multi gpu support, 8 lanes on the chipset, more expensive boards, SOMETIMES better power delivery b450: good power delivery, overclocking support, but no multi gpu support, 6 lane pcie on the chipset a320 (don't choose, its just here for comparing) no overclocking, even less ports, 4 lanes from chipset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 Author 23 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said: x470 From what I got, people cannot really decide between X470 and b450 regarding overclocking but one thing appears to stand out, carbon pro is way better. So for the price, I guess I’ll go for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Argalaprohis said: From what I got, people cannot really decide between X470 and b450 regarding overclocking but one thing appears to stand out, carbon pro is way better. So for the price, I guess I’ll go for it the x470 fatal1ty is normally cheaper. but it's a good board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 Author 5 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said: the x470 fatal1ty is normally cheaper. but it's a good board Asrock X470 Gaming K4 Carte Mère AMD X470 DDR4-SDRAM https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B07C1Z3FW9/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_lUDnCb77HQZGW are we talking about this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Argalaprohis said: Asrock X470 Gaming K4 Carte Mère AMD X470 DDR4-SDRAM https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B07C1Z3FW9/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_lUDnCb77HQZGW are we talking about this one? yep, weird it's more expensive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 Author 9 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said: yep, weird it's more expensive... https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B07C41QNDD/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1X6FK5RDHNB96&psc=1 Think I'll go for this one. I need to sort it out! +2600/2600X dependingo n the final price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, Argalaprohis said: https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B07C41QNDD/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1X6FK5RDHNB96&psc=1 Think I'll go for this one. I need to sort it out! +2600/2600X dependingo n the final price i personally love my own z370, so i wouldn't see a problem with it. i would personally get the 2600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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