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Performance drop after new windows install

axido
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Hi all, pretty much first time posting here.

I've been noticing worsened performance in games ever since I've switched to a new windows version.

 

I've been running W10 Home for a few months - I upgraded the old i7 930 to a Xeon X5680, oc'd to 4.4GHz, bought a new 1070Ti and ran a few VRMark benchmarks - everything was well, score was well over 8,000 (Orange room)

 

Few weeks after that I switched to a W10 LTSC version and I've noticed a severely worsened score in VRMark and generally a lower FPS in 1080p games such as RS2:Vietnam.

 

 

I do have the latest nvidia drivers. I even went as far as trying the older ones as well, no difference.

I do have the latest motherboard BIOS. (P6X58D-E)

I have the same hardware, I've changed nothing besides the windows.

 

 

 

Here's my setup, x58 ftw:

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System Information
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      Time of this report: 12/2/2018, 20:58:53
             Machine name: DESKTOP-N1
         Operating System: Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 64-bit (10.0, Build 17763) (17763.rs5_release.180914-1434)
                 Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
      System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
             System Model: System Product Name
                     BIOS: BIOS Date: 08/06/12 09:44:07 Ver: 08.00.15 (type: BIOS)
                Processor: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           X5680  @ 3.33GHz (12 CPUs), ~4.4GHz
                   Memory: 12288MB RAM
      Available OS Memory: 12280MB RAM
                Page File: 4582MB used, 10128MB available
              Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
          DirectX Version: DirectX 12
      DX Setup Parameters: Not found
         User DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
       System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
          DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
                 Miracast: Available, with HDCP
Microsoft Graphics Hybrid: Not Supported
           DxDiag Version: 10.00.17763.0001 64bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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      Display Tab 1: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 3: No problems found.
          Input Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D:    0/4 (retail)
DirectDraw:  0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay:  0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow:  0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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           Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Ti
        Manufacturer: NVIDIA
           Chip type: GeForce GTX 1070 Ti
            DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
         Device Type: Full Device (POST)
 Device Problem Code: No Problem
 Driver Problem Code: Unknown
      Display Memory: 14219 MB
    Dedicated Memory: 8080 MB
       Shared Memory: 6139 MB
        Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)
         HDR Support: Not Supported
    Display Topology: Internal
 Display Color Space: DXGI_COLOR_SPACE_RGB_FULL_G22_NONE_P709
     Color Primaries: Red(0.644531,0.332031), Green(0.315430,0.619141), Blue(0.151367,0.065430), White Point(0.313477,0.329102)
   Display Luminance: Min Luminance = 0.500000, Max Luminance = 270.000000, MaxFullFrameLuminance = 270.000000
        Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
       Monitor Model: Acer K242HL
          Monitor Id: ACR040E
         Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)
         Output Type: DVI
Monitor Capabilities: HDR Not Supported
Display Pixel Format: DISPLAYCONFIG_PIXELFORMAT_32BPP
      Advanced Color: Not Supported

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Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
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      Drive: ?
 Free Space: 48.8 GB
Total Space: 113.1 GB
File System: NTFS
      Model: WDC WDS120G2G0A-00JH30 ATA Device

      Drive: ?
 Free Space: 220.9 GB
Total Space: 476.9 GB
File System: NTFS
      Model: WDC WD5000ABPS-01ZZB0 ATA Device

      Drive: E:
 Free Space: 20.7 GB
Total Space: 122.1 GB
File System: NTFS
      Model: Apacer A7202 ATA Device

      Drive: F:
 Free Space: 14.9 GB
Total Space: 15.0 GB
File System: NTFS
      Model: WDC WD5000ABPS-01ZZB0 ATA Device

      Drive: N:
 Free Space: 315.6 GB
Total Space: 438.9 GB
File System: NTFS
      Model: WDC WD5000ABPS-01ZZB0 ATA Device
 

P6X58D-E X58

Xeon X5680 - OC 4.4GHz (Stable)

GTX 1070Ti - no OC

12GB DDR3 - 2x 4GB, 2x 2GB @ 1093MHz

+ Corsair TX750W PSU

+ WD Green 120GB SSD

+ Generic 128GB SSD

+ 2x 500GB HDD

 

 

Performance before the new OS (Both CPUs, old & new?

image.png.3ba1fac010bca9e19d909a3dc5a59eaf.pngOLD CPU

image.png.68648f44ce1dc1d96925805bb9644c83.pngNEW CPU

 

Performance after the new OS:

image.png.6303bebfc00b369196d6951541fc4ad1.pngNEW CPU

 

Unfortunately VRMark is the only "proof" of the performance drop but I'm running some games such as RS2:Vietnam on a much lower framerate than I used to too.

I'm really clueless and having a hard time trying to narrow the problem down, help would be really appreciated guys.

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7 hours ago, tmurlis said:

is it throttling?

I have not checked but there is no reason for it to throttle

CPU Temps are within 60-70 degrees on full load max

GPU is fine too.

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How is the task manager activity like? 

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2 minutes ago, Lukyp said:

How is the task manager activity like? 

I'll post screenshots of it when I'm home but it's usually normal, nothing that stands out like crazy window processes eating up ram/cpu resources

 

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1 minute ago, axides said:

I'll post screenshots of it when I'm home but it's usually normal, nothing that stands out like crazy window processes eating up ram/cpu resources

 

I would be curious to see if that's a GPU utilization issue, meaning in a full stress test without limitations (example Furmark, uncapped games) the GPU usage is not 100%, but since the CPU score changed as well I would suppose more probably on some clocking issues with the CPU, which can be a bottleneck for that GPU since that CPU has a low single core score 

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2 minutes ago, Lukyp said:

I would be curious to see if that's a GPU utilization issue, meaning in a full stress test without limitations (example Furmark, uncapped games) the GPU usage is not 100%, but since the CPU score changed as well I would suppose more probably on some clocking issues with the CPU, which can be a bottleneck for that GPU since that CPU has a low single core score 

I mean yeah, I was aware that there's going to be at least some bottlenecking when I bought a 1070Ti to that X58 system, though I was getting ~8,5k scores on VRMark before I switched to Win10 LTSC after which it started acting all weird.

 

I'll actually try to redo the overclock on the X5680, try to knock the voltage a little higher, play around with it - dunno, really clueless tbh

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Just now, axides said:

I mean yeah, I was aware that there's going to be at least some bottlenecking when I bought a 1070Ti to that X58 system, though I was getting ~8,5k scores on VRMark before I switched to Win10 LTSC after which it started acting all weird.

 

I'll actually try to redo the overclock on the X5680, try to knock the voltage a little higher, play around with it - dunno, really clueless tbh

I'll point at the CPU overclock anyway, Windows updates are more likely to change clocks. I'll suggest checking them while doing a CPU stress test 

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7 hours ago, Lukyp said:

I'll point at the CPU overclock anyway, Windows updates are more likely to change clocks. I'll suggest checking them while doing a CPU stress test 

I suppose I'll re-overclock tonight or tommorow but is that really the issue?

 

This was VRMark - mind you GPU was running @~80%

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FurMark - GPU was running full steam as expected

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46 minutes ago, axides said:

oof

Well and you are still getting those bad results, right? Try opening a game while having the task manager opened in that tab

Seems normal to me, could it be that the new windows update introduced some bugs?  

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Just now, Lukyp said:

Well and you are still getting those bad results, right?

ye, still ~5.3k VRMark score, lower fps in games that used to run much higher

 

As for the windows, well, earlier today I installed win10 home on one of my other hard drives and dual booted it - I installed steam and VRMark for comparison but p much same results

 

I really dunno at this point tbh, even if the overclock was bad I doubt it'd be this low

 

 

 

task manager during a game of rs2 - 30-40 fps ultra

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4 minutes ago, axides said:

task manager during a game of rs2 - 30-40 fps ultra

Don't know the game in question, but the GPU should be something around 100%. Really strange
Does that happen without overclock too? 

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Just now, Lukyp said:
6 minutes ago, axides said:

task manager during a game of rs2 - 30-40 fps ultra

Don't know the game in question, but the GPU should be something around 100%. Really strange

Pretty intensive, much like before it's just Rising Storm 2:Vietnam on ultra settings

I ran the For Honor benchmark too @ high settings but this time the GPU was running at 100%

1 minute ago, Lukyp said:

Does that happen without overclock too? 

Will try right now

 

just by the way, really appreciate your help, this entire thing is p frustrating

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37 minutes ago, Lukyp said:

Don't know the game in question, but the GPU should be something around 100%. Really strange
Does that happen without overclock too? 

w/o overclock the performance is p much 

 

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+ 15 fps on RS2

I can hear my 1070ti screaming for a new owner

 

sarcasm aside, I'll try to overclock again perhaps a bit higher this time but I doubt it can have that much of an impact - I used to be getting amazing performance and benchmark scores, really dunno what changed

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15 hours ago, axido said:

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As last choice I would try an old version of Windows 10 or Windows 7

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pushed to clocks all the way up to 4.56GHz which is unfortunately the absolute maximum before things start to get unstable under load - not much of a change besides my feet being warmer. I'll try to reinstall windows completely from scratch on C:\ instead of dual os, will post if anything changes (or if it does not...)

 

thanks for advice so far though, appreciated @Lukyp

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I'm sort of reviving this

 

reinstalled my OS to win10 pro, ran VRMark and the only improvement I can see is 6023 score - still 2,000 below what it used to be

any ideas, perhaps?

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@Lukypany ideas besides that reinstall? I'm seriously clueless at this point tbh

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