iPhone environmental imapct?

[SmilesRising]

does the iphone have a big impact on the environment? like when they craft the aliminium, glass and such. i know that the factories produce a bit of carbon dioxide but what about the materials used?

[SmilesRising]

3 minutes ago, Mantayd17 said:

They recycle pretty much everything, first and foremost aluminium and glass. Recently they've shown off a robot they named "Liam" which basically disassembles iPhones and separates every possible component. If I'm not wrong they actually recycled quite a ton of gold out of older devices.

but what about the creation of the aluminium. is there any envoriomental impact there?

[ZetZet]

4 minutes ago, smiles rising said:

but what about the creation of the aluminium. is there any envoriomental impact there?

of course. metallurgy and glass making need huge amounts of energy

[SmilesRising]

1 minute ago, ZetZet said:

of course. metallurgy and glass making need huge amounts of energy

is there any website where i can read about this? i found a bit on apples website about their packaging and such..

[ZetZet]

3 minutes ago, smiles rising said:

is there any website where i can read about this? i found a bit on apples website about their packaging and such..

http://wordpress.mrreid.org/2011/07/15/electricity-consumption-in-the-production-of-aluminium/

[ShadowCaptain]

11 minutes ago, smiles rising said:

is there any website where i can read about this? i found a bit on apples website about their packaging and such..

they are probably the GREENEST tech company in the world

http://www.apple.com/environment/safer-materials/

http://www.apple.com/environment/

 

2016 report

http://images.apple.com/environment/pdf/Apple_Environmental_Responsibility_Report_2016.pdf

[SmilesRising]

1 minute ago, ShadowCaptain said:

they are probably the GREENEST tech company in the world

http://www.apple.com/environment/safer-materials/

http://www.apple.com/environment/

for real? ive only heard bad things about their factorys and shit.. i guess ive never dived deeper in to the subject..

[ShadowCaptain]

3 minutes ago, smiles rising said:

for real? ive only heard bad things about their factorys and shit.. i guess ive never dived deeper in to the subject..

They do not OWN their factories, their parts are made by companies like Foxconn etc they are not directly responsible, apple do not OWN the chinese manufacturing plants but are trying hard to make it better

But their products have a very green profile, their data centres use 100% renewable energy, their products are recycled and made without toxins, their products are energy efficient etc

 

(Just recently the foxxcon factory let go 60k workers and replaced them with robots, but foxconn are an independent company and also supply samsung and other tech giants)

[SmilesRising]

1 minute ago, ShadowCaptain said:

They do not OWN their factories, their parts are made by companies like Foxconn etc they are not directly responsible, apple do not OWN the chinese manufacturing plants but are trying hard to make it better

But their products have a very green profile, their data centres use 100% renewable energy, their products are recycled and made without toxins, their products are energy efficient etc

 

(Just recently the foxxcon factory let go 60k workers and replaced them with robots)

wow damn.. the more you know i guess

[ShadowCaptain]

3 minutes ago, smiles rising said:

wow damn.. the more you know i guess

Watch any apple conference, they talk alot about their green nature, in fact companies should be following what Apple do

Apple get a bad rep online, dont listen to the blind haters

 

also they are huge on recycling too espeically with their new robot!!!!
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/04/15/apple-recycling-recovered-40-million-in-gold/

Apple have a "take back" program to recycle old products, this is how much they recycled back in 2015 before this new robot was installed, so i bet they can double this or more for 2016

 

 

Apple says in total it collected almost 90 million pounds of ewaste through its recycling programs, which works out as 71 percent of the total weight of the products the company sold seven years earlier. 
 

[SmilesRising]

19 minutes ago, ShadowCaptain said:

Watch any apple conference, they talk alot about their green nature, in fact companies should be following what Apple do

Apple get a bad rep online, dont listen to the blind haters

 

also they are huge on recycling too espeically with their new robot!!!!
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/04/15/apple-recycling-recovered-40-million-in-gold/

Apple have a "take back" program to recycle old products, this is how much they recycled back in 2015 before this new robot was installed, so i bet they can double this or more for 2016

 

 

Apple says in total it collected almost 90 million pounds of ewaste through its recycling programs, which works out as 71 percent of the total weight of the products the company sold seven years earlier. 
 

i cant seem to find how much energy it takes to produce an iphone..

[juretrn]

30 minutes ago, smiles rising said:

i cant seem to find how much energy it takes to produce an iphone..

Depends on what you are looking at... do you include just the assembly?

or also the aluminum and glass? 

How about the integrated circuits? The production takes about a f*ckton of electricity - photolithographic processes require, for example, a UV laser with output of of a few 100W, which requires several 100kW from the mains. Not to mention the huge amounts of poisonous chemicals used, and water as well. 

Or how about the production Li-ion batteries, which puts the oil industry to shame with the amount of nasty waste produced in the process. 

[ShadowCaptain]

2 minutes ago, juretrn said:

Not to mention the huge amounts of poisonous chemicals used

Which Apple do not use, etc

its hard to say, considering quite a lot of apples stuff runs on renewable energy etc

I imagine the carbon footprint of a single iphone is very small taking into account how much is recycled etc

[juretrn]

1 minute ago, ShadowCaptain said:

Which Apple do not use, etc

its hard to say, considering quite a lot of apples stuff runs on renewable energy etc

I imagine the carbon footprint of a single iphone is very small taking into account how much is recycled etc

There is no IC production without developers, solvents, photoresists and whatnot. All of that stuff is poisonous. Now in other processes, I wouldn't know. But IC production is my specialty as an EE...

[SmilesRising]

12 minutes ago, ShadowCaptain said:

Which Apple do not use, etc

its hard to say, considering quite a lot of apples stuff runs on renewable energy etc

I imagine the carbon footprint of a single iphone is very small taking into account how much is recycled etc

is there anything that i can compare with? like 1 iphone use as much energy as making 32 cheeseburgers or something..

[juretrn]

I found this link:

http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2009/06/embodied-energy-of-digital-technology.html

 

now get a calculator and get going!

EDIT: this website might be biased.

 

[ShadowCaptain]

20 minutes ago, juretrn said:

There is no IC production without developers, solvents, photoresists and whatnot. All of that stuff is poisonous. Now in other processes, I wouldn't know. But IC production is my specialty as an EE...

good info

[ShadowCaptain]

24 minutes ago, smiles rising said:

is there anything that i can compare with? like 1 iphone use as much energy as making 32 cheeseburgers or something..

Well from some sources listed below

 

iPhone 6 = 95kg CO2 over its lifespan (like 57kg to make it)
Burger = 540-915 kg CO2 over the average Americans burger consumption per year (3 to 6 kg per burger)

 

 

https://therestartproject.org/consumption/the-footprint-of-those-iphones/
http://www.openthefuture.com/cheeseburger_CF.html

[SmilesRising]

2 minutes ago, ShadowCaptain said:

Well from some sources listed below

 

iPhone 6 = 95kg CO2 over its lifespan (like 57kg to make it)
Burger = 540-915 kg CO2 over the average Americans burger consumption per year (3 to 6 kg per burger)

 

 

https://therestartproject.org/consumption/the-footprint-of-those-iphones/
http://www.openthefuture.com/cheeseburger_CF.html

i cant believe u actually found that..

[ShadowCaptain]

4 minutes ago, smiles rising said:

i cant believe u actually found that..

literally 30 seconds on google, they were the top results haha

 

(assuming they are correct)

[SmilesRising]

2 minutes ago, ShadowCaptain said:

literally 30 seconds on google, they were the top results haha

 

(assuming they are correct)

damn.. google is amazing

[ShadowCaptain]

Just now, smiles rising said:

damn.. google is amazing

everything ive said in this thread i googled 20 seconds before typing it haha

[SmilesRising]

1 minute ago, ShadowCaptain said:

everything ive said in this thread i googled 20 seconds before typing it haha

wow.. everything u said sounds smart... google make you look smart

[ZetZet]

1 hour ago, ShadowCaptain said:

Apple get a bad rep online, dont listen to the blind haters

apple also have the least repairable hardware on the planet so if it breaks you need a whole another machine. that's not green.

[ShadowCaptain]

7 minutes ago, ZetZet said:

apple also have the least repairable hardware on the planet so if it breaks you need a whole another machine. that's not green.

That is very true and something worth considering though I would counter that their machines tend to last well (ie lots of people still using like 2008-2010 macbooks to this date)

But it does factor in the green aspect