GPU - Cost/frame vs Future-Proofing

[gorgor]

Hi,

I am planning to assemble a new PC. I want to invest in a good monitor and have narrowed down on a 1440p IPS ultra-wide with 100Hz. When it comes to the GPU, I need help in choosing between the following.

Price in USD at my location

 

1. 2070 Super - $557

2. 2070 - $488

3. 2060 Super - $418

4. 2060 - $320

5. 5700XT - $488

6. 5700 - $418

 

Kindly suggest which one to get. I play all kinds of games right from AAA titles to Dota, point-n-click, old school RPGs etc.

[SpikeSpiegel]

I have a RX 560 4 GB and I play old DOS games like Sierra Online Games and a few MMORPGs.  But it's not a good card for AAA games atm.

[Mister Woof]

What's your planned CPU?

 

You'll have to have a pretty hefty GPU to try to drive a 1440p ultrawide at 100fps. None of those options currently will cut it in AAA games, and definitely not in the future.

[191x7]

Regular 1440p, not to mention ultrawide, is really taxing so I wouldn't even look under the RTX 2070, 2070S or RX 5700XT. The ebst choice would most likely be the RTX 2080.

[gorgor]

I quit WOW quite some time back. Mostly due to time constraints. I end up playing old RPGs on my work laptop while am travelling, as its more of a personal thing. I want to be able to play AAA/e-sports titles on my PC set-up at home. So its really about whether to invest in 2060 or a 1660 Super or go for the 2070 Super

[gorgor]

1 minute ago, Mister Woof said:

What's your planned CPU?

Ryzen 5 3600

But on a 1440 ultra-wide, I guess the GPU will bottle neck at ulta/High settings

[gorgor]

2 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

Regular 1440p, not to mention ultrawide, is really taxing so I wouldn't even look under the RTX 2070, 2070S or RX 5700XT. The ebst choice would most likely be the RTX 2080.

I am happy with 60fps. Dont really need to go for 100 with setting cranked up. Do you still suggest a 2080 for 60fps on high? Its out of my budget. its almost twice as expensive as the 2070.

[Mister Woof]

Just now, gorgor said:

Ryzen 5 3600

But on a 1440 ultra-wide, I guess the GPU will bottle neck at ulta/High settings

Personally, I would not recommend 1440p ultra-wide if you have any kind of reasonable budget for current and future graphics cards, especially if you want to run them at 100fps.

 

Drop down to a 1080p/144 with any of those GPUs to get high refresh NOW (in most games, anyway. even 1080p crushes these GPUs in some titles) or 1440p/144. You won't get 144fps at 1440p with any of these cards in non-esports games, but it will last you a while on its own. But it will be increasingly more difficult to power as time goes by.

[gorgor]

Another option is going for a 1080 ultra-wide. So here, the cost of monitors are
1. 1080 Ultra-wide with okay colours and 100Hz refresh - $450 (entry level LG)
2. 1440p ultra-wide with good colours and 100HZ refresh - $900 (Predator x34, Samsung CJ79 or 890 series)
3. A 16:9 Monitor with good colours and refresh 1440/144 - $600

 

So I figured that since I will also be watching movies and working on the monitor, investing in a good one is worth it. I have very few options with monitors here. I can always dial it down a notch to 1080p lets say, though its not ideal. This whole thing has got me confused. Not sure which monitor + GPU makes sense here. On the one hand, a bad monitor will just reduce the overall experience, a good one might be too taxing for my GPU to handle (or my wallet :P). I am stuck in middle ground

[Mister Woof]

1080p on a 1440p native display looks terrible

 

Of those choices, I would get the 1440p standard or 1080p ultrawide display personally.

 

Your gpu you buy today will be able to power it longer without having to reduce too many settings in the future vs 1440p ultrawide.

 

 

[gorgor]

The source of the data is - https://www.gpucheck.com/gpu-benchmark-graphics-card-comparison-chart
The price is in local currency.

 

Year	Graphics Card	Price	Index	1080p FPS	1080 CPF (Cost/Frame)	1440p FPS	1440 CPF	4K FPS	4K CPF	Cost
2018	RTX 2080	60000	170.00	141.80	423.13	105.90	566.57	62.70		60000
2019	RTX 2070 SUPER	40000	156.00	132.10	302.80	97.50	410.26	58.10		40000
2019	RX 5700 XT	35000	148.00	126.90	275.81	94.20	371.55	55.20		35000
2018	RTX 2070	35000	145.00	125.20	279.55	91.10	384.19	55.00		35000
2019	RX 5700	30000	137.00	116.30	257.95	86.40	347.22	50.60		30000
2019	RTX 2060 SUPER	30000	136.00	118.50	253.16	84.80	353.77	50.30		30000
2019	RTX 2060	22000	126.00	111.50	197.31	78.00	282.05	45.40		22000
2019	GTX 1660 SUPER	18000	114.00	93.80	191.90	68.70	262.01	40.30		18000

[gorgor]

3 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

1080p on a 1440p native display looks terrible

 

Of those choices, I would get the 1440p standard or 1080p ultrawide display personally.

 

Your gpu you buy today will be able to power it longer without having to reduce too many settings in the future vs 1440p ultrawide.

 

 

okay. This takes me further down the rabbit-hole now. With me considering to go for a 1660 Super and upgrade in the future

[xAcid9]

30 minutes ago, gorgor said:

Price in USD at my location

 

1. 2070 Super - $557

2. 2070 - $488

3. 2060 Super - $418

4. 2060 - $320

5. 5700XT - $488

6. 5700 - $418

2070 Super or 5700XT, should've no problem with ultra-wide 1440p 60fps. Need to drop more settings for 100fps though. 

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, gorgor said:

okay. This takes me further down the rabbit-hole now. With me considering to go for a 1660 Super and upgrade in the future

My humble opinion?

 

1440p/144 standard display + 5700xt.

 

Most AAA games you will get between 60-100fps, esports you will be able to hit the vsync limit.

[gorgor]

2 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

2070 Super or 5700XT, should've no problem with ultra-wide 1440p 60fps. Need to drop more settings for 100fps though. 

THanks

[191x7]

If you can afford it, don't go with an 1080p screen in 2020.

 

You won't go wrong with an 1440p 144Hz or an ultrawide 1440p, but the uw 1440p is a lot closer to 4K than to 16:9 1440p when it comes to the GPU requirements.

I guess a 1440p 144Hz would be my recommendation. Something like the LG 32GK650F or similar.

[Mister Woof]

4 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

If you can afford it, don't go with an 1080p screen in 2020.

 

You won't go wrong with an 1440p 144Hz or an ultrawide 1440p, but the uw 1440p is a lot closer to 4K than to 16:9 1440p when it comes to the GPU requirements.

I guess a 1440p 144Hz would be my recommendation. Something like the LG 32GK650F or similar.

I'm one of those people who likes 1080p/144 still......I can't stand sub 100fps and I hate making graphics sacrifices to get there on a 1440p display.

 

Most 2070-level gpus can't even pull off 1080p/144hz in new AAA games, let alone 1440p.

 

Shit like metro exodus and RDR2 are crushing PC's.

[xAcid9]

2 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

You won't go wrong with an 1440p 144Hz or an ultrawide 1440p, but the uw 1440p is a lot closer to 4K than to 16:9 1440p when it comes to the GPU requirements.

I guess a 1440p 144Hz would be my recommendation. Something like the LG 32GK650F or similar.

Actually ultrawide 1440p is closer to 1440p than 4k. 

ultrawide 1440p is 35% more pixel compare to 1440p

4k is 67% more pixel compare to ultrawide 1440p. 

 

if my calculation is correct. kek

 

3x1080p have more pixel than ultrawide 1440p.

[gorgor]

5 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

Actually ultrawide 1440p is closer to 1440p than 4k. 

ultrawide 1440p is 35% more pixel compare to 1440p

4k is 67% more pixel compare to ultrawide 1440p. 

 

if my calculation is correct. kek

 

3x1080p have more pixel than ultrawide 1440p.

	Aspect Ratio	Resolution	Total Pixels	% over the last
2160p	16:9	3840x2160	8294400	0.6744186047
1440p	21:9	3440x1440	4953600	0.34375
1440p	16:9	2560x1440	3686400	0.3333333333
1080p	21:9	2560x1080	2764800	0.3333333333
1080p	16:9	1920x1080	2073600

[Mister Woof]

7 minutes ago, gorgor said:

 

	Aspect Ratio	Resolution	Total Pixels	% over the last
2160p	16:9	3840x2160	8294400	0.6744186047
1440p	21:9	3440x1440	4953600	0.34375
1440p	16:9	2560x1440	3686400	0.3333333333
1080p	21:9	2560x1080	2764800	0.3333333333
1080p	16:9	1920x1080	2073600

Right. And some games right now at ultra settings on a 2070-level GPU aren't even getting 60fps at 1080p standard.

[xAcid9]

5 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

And some games right now at ultra settings on a 2070-level GPU aren't even getting 60fps at 1080p standard.

5% games, maybe not even 5%. 

[gorgor]

1 minute ago, Mister Woof said:

Right. And some games right now at ultra settings on a 2070-level GPU aren't even getting 60fps at 1080p standard.

Which is surprisingly sad for me
Just one more thing, I dont play many RTS games other than AOE-2 and hence simulation or CPU intensive games are not in consideration. I just want to play Tomb-raider or Doom/Cyberpunk 2077 when they come out on 60fps. But not go the console way.
Having said that, I really have no way to experience the monitors @1080p or 1440p ultrawide here. My laptop has a 120Hz screen and a MX150 in it. I can play Bioshock and the likes at 100 Hz easy with fairly high settings and honestly while I think around 90 is a sweet-spot for me, I am perfectly happy with 60Hz as long as I have not seen it @90 in the same session

[Mister Woof]

Just now, xAcid9 said:

5% games, maybe not even 5%. 

Just saying 1080p is easier to power and will be powered longer by current gpus.

 

And in some scenarios that barely even power them now at 1080p.

[gorgor]

1 minute ago, xAcid9 said:

5% games, maybe not even 5%. 

yea, So I am inclined to spend the extra for 2070 Super and go for a 1440p ultrawide. The question is, at half the price, how bad is 2060 with 6gigs. its 22,000 while the 2070Super is 40,000

[gorgor]

Just now, Mister Woof said:

Just saying 1080p is easier to power and will be powered longer by current gpus.

 

And in some scenarios that barely even power them now at 1080p.

That is true. With a 1080p monitor, I should be able to get a lot more out of my GPU, Especially now that SLI is out.