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Motherboard: ASUS ROG Strix Z590-E CPU: Intel i9-11900k RAM: G.Skill RipJaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) (PC4-32000) CL15-16-16-36 1.50V Model F4-4000C15Q-32GVK GPU: AMD Radeon RT 6950 XT HDD: 990 PRO 2TB https://pcpartpicker.com/user/paradoxumlexx/saved/syDkf7 To spare the long story I've decided to stick with this setup for as long as possible (years), money needs to go to my 80TB unraid server for a while and this thing breezes through anything I've tried so far. Anyway I watercool and I like to overclock. 51/2core 50/5core 49/6 core 1.490vcore I could probably lower my CPU temps but it's stable right now so I wanna play with the ram. I've found eg; https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md But I really don't have time to learn all of that. As in I'm generally busy with other stuff and it's far too much info for me especially cause it's numbers and ADHD etc. But I do want to eventually understand it and be able to tweak my own ram without referring to guides or copying random peoples timings I find online. I got this with exactly stock XMP settings and just changing 36 to 28 (which I did by accident actually heh). Just give me a few secondary timings and recommended changes and why etc, somewhere to start and I'll play with those. What program should I use in windows to display or even modify timings? Thanks! -
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Samsung DDR4 B-die Vs C-die for Laptop RAM?
Vuvaise posted a topic in CPUs, Motherboards, and Memory
My laptop has a 4GB soldered + 4GB (M471A5244CBO-CRC) stick. It has C-die according to the results of Thaipoon. To Upgrade I bought a 16GB DDR4 RAM from Amazon India for Rupees 2700 which is a B-die RAM (M471A2K43BB1-CRC) since C-die RAM (M471A2K43BB1-CRC) was about Rs. 4500. I checked everywhere what's the difference between these two. Found nothing according to a Laptop RAM. Some said B-die is better for Overclocking that my laptop doesn't capable of. On Samsung Semiconductor page B-die is EOL. Now After installing it I checked with Thaipoon Burner it said B-die is 20nm and C-die 18nm. I assume lower the nm, better the performance. Please someone help me, Should I have to replace this with a C-die RAM or I can use it. Will it bring any bottlenecks or any other problems. P.s. Now the C-die RAM price has reduced to Rs. 2900.
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Hey, I wonder which ram to buy. I currently have Corsair Vengeance 3000mhz memory on hynix, which causes me stability issues.I cant go higher that 2677. I read a lot and found out that hynix has a problem to work on this motherboard. So I decided to buy a new ram. And here the question arises, so that I could easily get it higher than 3200mhz. I am thinking of b-die sticks: Team Group T-Force NIGHTHAWK LEGEND RGB 3200 MHz CL14 and G.skill flare X 3200MHz CL14. On which of them will I be sure that everything will work this time? If needed, I wanna say that i wanna oc my cpu as possible. Maybe is there any better option. My actual spec: Msi x370 gaming plus Ryzen 5 1600X GTX 1070 Corsair Vengeance 3000MHz CL16.
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Hi everyone, I'm looking at these 2 GSkill kits: F4-4000C16D-16GVK - 4000 MHZ, 16-19-19-39 at 1.4v F4-4000C16D-16GVKA - 4000 MHZ, 16-16-16-36 at 1.4v They both look like Samsung B-die. I'm thinking, maybe they made the 16-19-19 kit because some CPUs can't do 16-16-16 and the XMP will fail, but other than that, both kits are identical and will do 16-16-16 at 1.4v. Can somebody confirm that? I know B-die generally does flat timings, or maybe +-1. Maybe the 16-19-19 kit isn't B-die?
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After finally scoring an AMD 5600X CPU, I was told/hear Samsung B-Die RAM is the best for Ryzen and Hynix is the worst. So I bought a 8GBx2 G.Skill Trident Z Neo RGB memory kit from MicroCenter for $115 under the assumption it was Samsung B-Die. The exact model of my G.Skill Trident Z Neo RGB memory is F4-3600C16D-16GTZNC. According to https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/ F4-3600C16D-16GTZN is Samsung B-Die, but my memory model has an extra C at the end. My BIOS says it's Hynix so I'm guessing I don't have Samsung B-Die memory. See attached images. I can still return/exchange it within 14 days. I really only game on my system Is it worth doing so because it seems like there's a pretty big ($60) cost difference to get the same style with Samsung B-Die?
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Remember when I was building my current PC, a lot of people were talking that Ryzen was extremely picky about what RAM you were putting into it, that it had to be of Samsung B-Die. I picked 16GB of Corsair Dominator RAM sticks to which I set the XMP profiles to 3200 and been running at that speeds ever since. Can't remember my exact spec on my box but these seem very close. Will be upgrading my PC soon and I know that I'll be needing 32GB as 16GB is not even close to what I need. 32GB is already very little but that's the max that my motherboard allows. Was thinking of going 3600MHz to push the machine as much as I can but I've been reading that due to 1:1 vs 2:1 ratio magic or what nonsense, making it so that 3600MHz is actually slower than 3200MHz. Is that true? Can someone explain these ratios and so if I should stick to 3200MHz or am I free to push for something like 3600MHz? So then these B-Die's. Still confused on what they are and if they're needed. Looking online, these Neo 32 GB 3200MHz CL14's seem to be the perfect fit or is it overkill? These are the go to's or am I safe to just select the cheapest 2x16 silicon something RAM sticks and they'll perform the same? Again, not going for any world records but definitely want to push as much juice out of this worn rig as I can. Looking online they're the correct B-Die, fast timings. Have I done my research right? TLDR: Zen+ B-Die needed? 3600MHz slower than 3200MHz? -
memory Ripjaws V compatible with Ryzen 3000?
alternxtive posted a topic in CPUs, Motherboards, and Memory
Hi, I recently found a Ripjaws V 2x8 GB DDR4 3600 MHz CL17 kit for a great price where I live. I found the exact same model (F4-3600C17D-16GVK) on the B-Die finder site https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/ Seems like a perfect deal, but does anyone know if it'll be compatible with a Ryzen 5 3600 and the B450 Tomahawk Max? Because on the G.Skill site it says that it's compatible with Intel platforms, but they don't mention AMD at all. -
Greetings, Currently just built a higher end 9900k, on an Aorus Master z390, 2080ti, all on a water cooled loop on a 1000W PS. Will not be Overclocking the 9900K yet. I just merged my 2X16GB Micron ram over from my 8700K and MSI Z370A Pro build and it hasn't been going to well, I had to OC this Ballistix Tactical ram to 3200 and adjust timings just to get stable OS. Other wise simple OS startups would make the screens flash on and off. Its stable now at 3200 but still wont handle OC on my 2080ti. So I'm getting the new set of dual ram / B-Die to run at t1 higher speed/lower timing Trident Z F4-3600C16Q-32GTZKK rated at 3600 16-16-16-36. Does anyone happen to have a full list of suggested timing for this ram? I will default the VCCSA and VCCIO at 1.2, but would love a more extensive timing line up to play with rather than just taking the XMP profile. QVL on ram is compatible with the Aorus Master I would just really love to get an idea of where to start. I'm kind of new to messing with DDR4 timings and have done a ton of research up to this point and really just need the extra input so I can see how my thoughts and understandings compare. Appreciate any help. THANKS! -
'B'represents the level?A>B>C>D...?So the B level is good, right?
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So this is all Buildzoid's fault... in a good way, so far. He posted this video: and since it was done with my... well, my exact setup minus the RAM, I decided to give it a try myself. Now before you go "WHY THE..." I'm not pushing anywhere NEAR as hard as he is or as high. I am just very picky about numbers and I very much wanted to see if my RAM could run 4000MHz at decent timings without murdering it with voltage. So, I pretty much started where he started the guide, 1.45V, VCCIO & VCCSA at 1.2V, I let the timings auto, stuck the RAM at 4000MHz, booted up, saw it was at crazy-loose timings (19-22-22 or some crap), rebooted & lowered them, and kept throwing some benchmarks at it while refining things. Right now here's where I'm at, and I have the CPU at STOCK not 5GHz since I wanted to be sure the RAM is the only thing that could possibly be unstable if something fails/bluescreens, and I also have all 4 sticks installed (since he said for this board/setup, it actually is better to have 4 sticks vs 2): And that is at 1.4V on the RAM with the IO/SA still at 1.2V, the majority of those timings are still auto. Also some things in the screenshot aren't quite showing right, my Northbridge/Uncore is at 4.3GHz (stock). Also for anyone seeing rising RAM temps, if you have RGB units, disable the RGB lighting while you're testing things, as that will lead to cooler temperatures (not a huge difference, 1-2C, but still, every little bit helps according to Buildzoid). Couple of questions for anyone that's also been there done that or is doing this, what do you use to test your RAM? Just MemTest, or do you also use Prime95 etc? What timings are you guys running at what clocks, do you have any obvious recommendations where I could improve further? I'm thinking about pushing the tRFC down under 400, but I don't know how low I should be going at this speed. I did try 16-16-16-36 & it booted but I could tell the system wasn't very happy with it right away by the weird results from CineBench & what little else I ran before reverting to 18-18-18. Oh, also, when I say I went deep: I've been at this for like 7 hours lol Hence why I'm not seeking suggestions on what else I can try other than "just lowering the timings by one at a time until it fails" -
I have an offer of new 3600mhz 1.2 v cl 17 for 10000 inr I like the offer it is Samsung b die but company is too famous but gives 5 year warranty.And other is adata d41 3600mhz 1. 35 volt cl 17 10000 rupees Samsung b die too now I cant decide which to choose.I don't think ddr4 will last more than 5 years so I don't know.PLease help. if 1.2 volt one is cl 17 at 1.2 it may be lower latency at 1.35voltage so I can get better results in overclocking. But I cant see overall picture is it better decision to go for 1.2 volt one or not I may upgrade cpu currently I have 1700x rx 580(soon) I will upgrade gpu to even better when nvidia will release new ones (atleast that's the plan).Help https://www.zionram.com/blaze-rgb/ link for the 1.2 volt ram
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I bought really cheap 16GB sticks from a local e-shop. Tried oc a bit, but I have some limitration either by motherboard or CPU that can't overclock 16GB sticks over 3200mhz Anyway, when I opened Thaiphoon Burner, to my surprise the RAM is detected as Samsung B-Die. Could that be right? Sticks themselves are these: https://www.gskill.com/product/165/185/1567584071/F4-3200C16S-16GISAegis-DDR4DDR4-3200MHz-CL16-18-18-38-1.35V16GB-(1x16GB) Cost around 122€ (2x16GB)
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Hey all, I have a Asus Prime X-470 Pro motherboard, with a ryzen 7 3800X, and 32GB (4 x 8GB) of G.skill Trident Z Royal 3200Mhz CL16. I am trying to overclock the ram to about 3600MHz or maybe 3800Mhz, but upon checking Thaiphoon i found out that 2 of my sticks are Samsung B-dies and 2 are Hynix C-die, Is it still possible to overclock without any issues? If so how should i proceed? use the C-dies as the base for timings? Since they are the "bottleneck". Any advice would be great! Thanks in advance! -
Hi, im recently changing to the red team, so i bought an x470 asus pro mobo (since i intend to later buy a zen2 cpu, and it was with 40 EUR discount), a ryzen 5 2600, and a pair of 8gb g.skill ripjaws v 16cl 3200, then later found out about the whole samsung b-die vs hynix ram compatibility with amd, and i was wondering how will this affect me, and what is exactly the difference between both, other than lower latency, since (at least in my country) the difference between a 3200 16gb 16cl hynix kit and a 14cl b-die kit is about 50-60 EUR . Thank for your time in advance.
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Which one do you think will overclock better with a 3900x ? (mobo : b550 aorus elite) Apparently micron is better for ryzen 3000 end b550 mobo ?
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I bought the same 16GB RAM kit twice over the space of a year because I wanted to upgrade to 32GB but didn't have the money to afford 32GB at the time. I think I am now regretting selling it for money towards a new 32GB kit because I now have two modules which indicate in CPU-Z that they are made by Samsung, they may be Samsung B-Die but its difficult to tell and two from SK-Hynix (checking in Thaiphoon Burner confirms these are indeed B-Die and CJR). I seemingly bought the Hynix the first time round as slot 3 is the B-die module. My problem currently is that Im not getting past 2866 MHz for all four modules and going past this makes it unstable. I haven't done a MEM-Test stress test but staying at 2866 doesn't make my computer reboot or crash at all and its been stable ever since I put it back to 2866 whereas going above would make it crash from time to time. On top of mismatched memory sticks from different manufacturers I am on 2nd Gen Ryzen which is not known for having good memory compatibility due to its inferior memory controller. I am also let down by an ASRock X470 Taichi motherboard known for having a t-topology memory layout and the memory performance of it in general (Buildzoid from AHOC has talked about this board.) Im unsure what to do about this as Im not getting the 3200 I wanted though Im don't know whats limiting me: my CPU, my motherboard or my mismatched DIMMS. I'm planning on upggrading to Zen 3 at some point in the future so Im guessing I will be keeping these modules to try and eliminate one of my problems and try to get to 3200MHZ. Or I could buy some 3600 and sell my current modules though having 4 modules of rare B-die would be great however since B-die is now discontinued and rare I'd think people would check before selling I don't want to sell the B-die because its great at overclocking but my motherboard probably won't be good for it anyway. And keeping Hynix CJR is not something I'd want to do since its kinda crap. My guess is the primary fault is the Zen+ memory controller but I'll still have mismatched modules and its annoying me since I could probably get great speeds on it and it will cost me money to get different RAM thats also B-die. So its probably not worth it. Sigh RIP me. -
So I checked my ram on Thaiphoon Burner, but in Die Density/Count it just says 8GB/1 Die. Can anyone help me find the correct die? I have a Team Group Dark Z TEAMGROUP-UD4-3600. Also, when I bought the ram in amazon, many reviews claimed the ram had samsung b-dies, but there were many rams being suggested in the reviews, since the store page wasn’t limited to my ram kit. My ram is low power consumption though, and I’ve read that samsung b-dies have a lower power consumption. Could this be an indicator or not so much?
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I have a 3200C14 2x8gb kit of G skill RGB memory, I have been trying everything I can to get it to it's rated speed. I'm running a 2700x (stock cooler atm) and an Asus Crosshair VII Hero motherboard. I have what appears to be stable settings at 2933C14 @1.4v this stands up to memtest in windows for an hour. Anything above that frequency I find I need insane volts just to make it to windows. If I jam 1.65v through it and leave timings on Auto I can get into windows at 3000mhz but this crashed on me pretty quickly and the timings were horrible like 16/21/21/21/50/71. I could not get a boot with my current 2933 settings with gear down mode disabled so it is enabled and cmd rate is at 1t. For some reason gear down mode disabled and 2t was also resulting in crashing. I verified ICs are b-die using thaipoon burner. Voltages I increased to help stability: Vcore: 1.4 Vsoc: 1.2 Dram/Dram boot V: 1.4 Power limits are all maxed out, 130% current etc. I have tried tried using the retry button on every failed post though this never helped me. I have also disabled fast boot, I tried playing with the ProcODT but I never found a setting that made a difference so I left it on Auto. I have also tried changing nothing in bios except the XMP profile and then using each frequency from 2400 up to 3000 to get it to train the memory however this bsods before windows fully loads as soon as I hit 3000mhz. I have not yet tried BCLK methods as I do have an NVMe drive and I've read that it can mess with it. If anyone has any tips for stability or knows of some settings I have not yet tried please let me know. -
Hello, I'm about to buy the 2700X, and I wanted to pair it up with a good RAM module, I'm looking for 2x8 sticks, I'm planing on some sweet RGB sticks that could work with the Asus Aura Sync to fit the mobo (going for the overkill Hero 7) and my 1080 Ti Strix, I want some RAM that I could OC for good results, the RAM I was looking at was the G.Skill Trident Z (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR) since 3200 seems not to bad, but I'm not sure if I should try to get a lower clock with some higher latency module, this is basically my budget (200$-ish)Anyway, I would like to know if there is any good specific module I could get that could be OC'ed pretty well (My guess is that a B-die is the best..?), if you know any Aura Sync modules that'll be really awesome.Thanks in advanceKermitFTW
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Hi there, For the last few days I've been planning out my Ryzen upgrade, by now I've got most of the parts dialed down. The one thing I'm still having to decide on is the RAM. My aim is a 3000Mhz or 3200Mhz 2x8GB kit, I'm not really planning on manual tweaking to hit higher clocks (involving increasing voltages etc.). Are there any developments on Ryzen's preference of RAM with Samsung B-die for hitting the higher clocks? I'm referring to (e.g.) this thread or this thread. As I can imagine that there have been some updates since the OP date of June '17 on the first thread, and am wondering if there are any tests or articles on improved results with non-B-die kits. Are you, for example, fairly safe nowadays by choosing Hynix A/M-die for those kind of rates I'm looking for. The top of the second linked thread does state that "Hynix A/M-Die are mostly working @ 3200 MHz with AGESA 1.0.0.5+", I'm wondering if there are people that can confirm that (as finding an acceptably priced Samsung B-die kit is hard to find, and a Hynix A-die kit has caught my eye). Thanks in advance, jb -
Budget (including currency): Bang for buck really Country: UK Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Gaming Other details Phanteks P500a Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro AX (chosen for memory clocking at that price point - aswell as connectivity) Ryzen 5600x 2018 RM750x (most likely) - if anyone wants to suggest alternative for any reason go ahead. Nvidia RTX2060 6GB (until gpus dont cost as much as my entire build ha) Anyway the big question is which RAM. I dont want to overclock like crazy mhz - but would like to achieve something optimal with my 5600x. As far as I understand it dual rank config is ideal so 2xDR or 4xSR sticks.. But i think high binned B-DIE is generally expensive.. and Micron Rev E is easier on IMC and a bit cheaper.. However this is the most competitive B-Die i've found here in the UK is (and dual rank):- Team Group 8 Pack 3600 16-16-16-38 2x16gb Also considering 2x16gb Crucal Ballistix (16-18-18-36) - I think will be Rev E and most likely single rank though (sometimes dual -- but those reports seem from much ealier in the year and they then switched).. And final consideration is 2x 2x8gb Crucal Ballistix (16-18-18-36) -- Again Rev E -- 2 kits to achieve dual rank? Anyone have experience with any of these in this config? Which would you suspect to perform the best overall. There is about £40 difference vs guaranteed b-die and guaranteed dual rank provided by team group. Thanks!
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