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I would like anyone to help me understand a couple of things? I am playing with AFMF and FSR 3.0 Frame Generation. There are a few things I don't quite get in relation to Frame Generation and (input) latency. I use a fixed rate 60hz monitor. For example, my first question, in the picture below, what "Frame Gen Lag" means exactly? does it mean the Frame Generation is lagging 26ms when creating the new AI frame to inject? or it is telling me the added input lag? (Also, I see stuttering of 36% which seems a bit high but I have 118 FPS on a 60Hz so sounds like plenty enough even if there was a minor drop of 25FPS I am still past 60FPS; I understand it might drop from 200FPS to 150FPS at times but does the micro-stuttering percentage matter at all if you are still past 60FPS for my 60hz monitor?). I can understand how VSYNC might increase input latency and I understand that injecting a frame comes with an added latency but it still confuses me quite a lot, I don't think 45FPS native to 60FPS generated frames should make a difference in input latency; let's say I play COD MWIII with FSR 3.0 and Frame Generation on my 60Hz monitor and I get 110 native FPS on Quality... in theory, the more FPS even beyond my monitor's refresh rate helps to decrease input latency but now I have introduced Frame Generation which adds some latency (reduced thanks to Anti-Lag) and I managed to double my FPS: from 110 to 220 FPS, am I reducing my input latency or in reality I am making things worse with Frame Generation given I was already past 60FPS in my fixed refresh rate monitor? I have noted "FRAME GEN LAG" in the image above shows "N/A" when using FSR 3.0 Frame Generation, which is not the case when you use AFMF from the AMD Adrenaline driver. Why is that? I am guessing it is related to the fact that AFMF only reports real FPS via the performance overlay and not the in-game counter (whereas FSR3.0 Frame Generation reflects the added frames in the FPS counter correctly). With regards to input latency I have various scenarios. Let's assume my fixed rate monitor at 60Hz AMD Anti-Lag is on, and FSR 3 on Quality gives me 120FPS on a game, say Call Of Duty but could be any other game where latency matters. Using Frame Generation (AFMF). How is the effect on input latency on each scenario, what is the benefit if any or why it could have an undesired impact in smoothness or input lag. Scenario 1 - vsync off - enhanced sync on I enable FSR3 with Frame Generation ON, no frame limit. Then I double my FPS from 120 to 240. Scenario 2 - vsync off - enhanced sync on I enable FSR3 with Frame Generation ON. I set an in-game frame limit to 60, doubling my FPS to just 120. Scenario 3 - vsync off - enhanced sync on I enable FSR3 with Frame Generation ON. I set an in-game frame limit to 30, matching my 60 FPS to my monitor's refresh rate at 60Hz. Scenario 4 - vsync on I enable FSR3 with Frame Generation ON. No frame limit. I get more than 100 FPS. In these scenarios: enabling Frame Generation would make input latency to increase or decrease? Thanks in advance, any advice or comment to clarify this will be welcome.
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I am building a new PC and I opted for an Asus B650 Proart Creator + Ryzen 7 7800X3D + 2x16 G.Skill Flare X5 DDDR5-6000 as main components. The board is however not recognizing the memory sticks. The Asus B650 lists the Flare X5s on the QVL list, however with a different latency value (The list has CL36, I accidentally bought CL32). Do latency values affect the compatability between RAM, board and CPU that much ? And does this mean I have to order the CL36 version now? Or is there a workaround?
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In many of the games I play and on any system I try it on(wired and wireless connections), I get random lag spikes over 999ms. I've run packet loss tests and usually find 0% losses. I have also tested a spare router and the same issue occurred. Any idea what this problem is/ how I would diagnose if it's on my end or the ISP's?
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So I have a Samsung Odyssey G50 165hz 1440p, sometimes the games feel smooth and fast, but sometimes it feels like theres some latency, I checked my render latency its really good, then I tried some settings on the monitor, non of them had an impact on the high latency feeling, then I turned on the G-sync and it made a huge difference I could easily see it, but then when I turned it off, it felt as fast as its turned on, then I remembered that I noticed this before, so why is that, that after a while I have to enable or disable G-sync for my monitor to have low latency, is it a bug or something? The game I tested it was CS2 and I remembered that when I first noticed it was CS:GO aswell but I think its only because its a fast paced game and that the only FPS game I play, in story games the latency doesnt bothered me enough for me to notice I guess
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Which RAM is better ( both work on my MB with XMP profiles as specified, AM5 platform): Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR5-6400 2x48GB, CL32-40-40-84, 1.40V Gskill Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-6400 2x48GB, CL32-39-39-102, 1.35V Differences: A) 1.4V vs 1.35V: Does the higher voltage have a relevant disadvantage (power consumption, lifespan, heat development)? B) Timings/Latency: CL32-40-40-84 vs CL32-39-39-102 --> Which overall values are better, Corsair or Gskill? C) The DIE manufacturers: Gskill apparently has a Hynix A DIE. I don't know about Corsair. Does the DIE manufacturer matter if I don't overclock the RAM or change the timings/latency?
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My wifi is kinda bad, and I have to restart my router all the time. For example, my ping to 8.8.8.8 becomes higher than 300 ms sometimes. Also, it never gets higher than 70 Mbps. Help, how can I make wifi faster, even my school wifi is better. EDIT: I am not connected using Ethernet, because my router is in an awkward position.
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TL;DR Ping to 92.223.86.86, 10 km away at ~170 ms ping. Acquaintance nearby with different ISP has 9 ms. Is the issue my ISP, Wifi,...? Background I am playing an online game where the server, to my knowledge, is physically located in the same city (~10km=6miles). I have cabled internet with WiFi and have a ping of around 170-200 ms with severe in-game spikes. At my friend's house, under a different ISP, the ping is 9 ms without any spikes. I need help in identifying whether the issue is from my ISP, my WiFi set-up, or the game server itself. That my friend has a lower ping seems to indicate that it is my ISP. If so, I need to contact my ISP and tell them what is wrong. The game has several local servers with similar results. The game runs on my Android Phone using 5.2GHz WiFi band. PingPlotter is running in my older laptop using the 2.4GHz WiFi band. Although similar ping test on my phone yields the same 170-200ms ping. Traceroute from me to 92.223.86.86 using (PingPlotter in Windows) Traceroute from 3rd party Singapore server to 92.223.86.86 (https://www.ip2location.com/free/traceroute) Geoping from 3rd party Singapore server to 92.223.86.86 [3ms] (GeoPing in Android PingTools) CABLED sample as requested: A new WiFi sample taken for comparison: We can see that the cabled one still has 170 ms ping to destination. However, the amount of package loss is greatly reduced ( PL% columns and the red bars) The WiFi sample taken previously and the new one differ in that the package loss for Hop 6 is greatly reduced. Graph using 3rd party server and VPN VPN (SG): 84.17.39.173 3rdParty (SG): 185.128.24.225 Target (SG): 92.223.86.86 I suppose pinging from my VPN means that it first goes from ME to VPN. ME <-> VPN traceroute seems to hop via Hong-Kong (SG<-> HK <-> SG). Post was published earlier here https://superuser.com/questions/1805724/identify-latency-problems-to-gaming-server
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Hello everyone, I have the armaggeddon MKO-13R Enterprise (https://www.armaggeddon.com.my/gamingkeyboards/armaggeddon-mko-13r) keyboard and it seems to me that the latency of it is very high. Anyone else have this keyboard? Any way to test it? Thanks!
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I have Intel 660P NVMe 1TB When i download something or update something rather the average response time in ms varies from 50ms all the way up to 2000ms or literally 2s at that point. Why is such a big latency? Is it because disk cannot spread the information on all the chips and is limited to lets say 1 chip left if you are like 80-90% full? and as soon as it gets to like 30-50ms the disk active time gets to 100% which makes my pc unusable which makes it lag really hard. I've never experienced something like that when i bought the disk in 2019. The disk is always at around 60%-80% capacity. It's kind of crazy for something like that to happen to an NVMe, the last time i was experiencing that was with hard drives lmao. quite sad. Now I know that it is ideal to have more space on the disk itself, but i truly doubt the capacity is the true and only culprit here, is it perhaps TBW? and how it compares to more than just one 1TB disk? If you have like 2TB-4TB at the same % of occupation it should still work faster, right?
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Hi! I have been in a bit of a predicament where I can only use my PC on a weekend because reasons but during the week when I want to play I can’t use it because it not there, obviously I could move it back and forth but it’s a huge pain so any suggestions? I’m currently using a really old laptop(12 years) during the week and GeForce now witch has it’s obvious issues.
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Recently I replaced the Samsung M378B5273DH0-CK0 DDR3 1600MHz C11 2x4GB in my Dell OptiPlex 7010 with Corsair CMV16GX3M2A1600C11 ValueSelect DDR3 1600MHz C11 2x8GB. I have lost FPS in games like World of Tanks (1440p 110 average fell to 90 average, and drops as low as 60 sometimes which didn't happen with the Samsung RAM.) A little bit stuttery when flicking the camera around in other games. Both CPU & GPU rarely go above 50% utilisation. I ran some tests and RAM latency has increased from 70 ns with the old setup to 85.3 ns. Could this be the reason why average FPS has fallen, varies more, and the image occasionally gets tearing? Running all four of those sticks together for a total of 24GB the latency has gone up to 87.5 ns. Is this due to increased load on the memory controller? My second question is can I run C10 or even C9 RAM on this Dell motherboard (0KRC95) that does not support (afaik) manual memory overclocking nor XMP. I was about to buy some (used) Corsair Vengeance Pro 9-9-9-24 and then I read that to achieve the labled timing, it relies on XMP - otherwise it will run at 1333MHz. Is this true? If possible, I would like to find some low latency RAM that does not need overclocking out the box. I want to run ram at the highest speed supported by this dell motherboard - 1600MHz. (please note: before anyone suggests "just buy a new PC", please don't. I appreciate its already had it's tenth birthday & comes with many limitations, but this system still has some use left in it & will be capable for a few more years) System Info Dell OptiPlex 7010 Intel Core i7-3770 3.4 GHz Samsung 870 QVO 1TB boot drive Zotac RTX 2070 Super Mini Windows 10 Pro 22H2 64-bit
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Hello. I'm wondering if anyone can help me with with any troubleshooting on latency from my home network. I've been noticing a small lag spike when watching videos on my pc and later when I was playing games with a buddy, I was getting a more noticeable effect. Playing Halo MCC and Infinite specifically I would see a message saying "packet loss" and when we would try and load a new level on MCC he would desync and then no longer be on the same game as me but on the same level. Just a few moments ago I decided to do some troubleshooting and well... Problem; I have bad packet loss while keeping very good ping. Troubleshooting Done So Far; As my system was newly built I checked my drivers by installing Armoury Crate and let them update it to keep it hassle free. No improvements when running ping tests. My router was using PFSense, checking and applying the update from 2.6.0 to 2.7.0. No improvement. Ran ping tests from PC to Router, no issue. PC to Google and Router to Google, same issue. Image Below. Is there anything else on my side to help find out, if not fix, the issue or do I need to talk to my ISP to go any further? Thank You in advance.
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My old GPU kicked the bucket so I just upgraded to a much more modern one. My CPU is a little behind it, so I'm planning on replacing that soon-ish. Anyway, I installed the new GPU and its drivers via GeForce Experience, and my ping in games was normal except for the occasional lag spikes. The lag spikes were weird, so I looked online for support and one solution was to use DDU to do a clean install of the GPU drivers, so I did that, but now I'm getting consistant high ping/latency, not just the occasional spike. I followed all the network troubleshooting tips I could find (my internet is completely fine in every other aspect) and made sure all my drivers were up to date (including the BIOS) but nothing has fixed this. I thought it might be CPU/GPU bottlenecking with the GPU being too advanced, but I was told by someone this isn't the case and it's just a network issue? I don't know, I'm getting mixed messages from the internet and now I'm lost. CPU: Ryzen 7 3700x GPU: RTX 4070
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I'm getting pretty desperate - couple weeks ago I reinstalled my laptop and when I opened my DAW (music making program), I was met with insane clicks and pops although it was completely fine prior at the same settings. I troubleshooted for more than a week straight and could not find a fix, so I decided to get a new replacement... which has the same problem. I don't know what to do, I've everything with the old laptop, nothing helped - reinstalled drivers, bios updates, driver updates, disabling devices, changing affinities for everything, many more things, but it didn't get better. I know it must be some driver, I tried completely uninstalling nvidia ones, didn't help on the old laptop. LatencyMon said it was wdf01000.sys, dxgkrnl.sys and nvlddmkm.sys that spiked, but on the new laptop it's nvlddmkm.sys, but it's not even spiking that bad 0.46ms, but the audio is still crippled. LatencyMon on the new one: I'm at my wits end and panicking, if the same thing is happening on a new laptop, it should mean some of you are experiencing something like this. The old laptop was Asus Strix G15 (it think 2020 mode) with 2070/intel combo and the new one is the last G15 with amd/3070ti. The old one had no issue like this until I reinstalled it. I'm not sure what to do, should I return the new laptop? Or some of yall have found a solution and can help me? This is super devastating. Is this nvidia problem? Should I try other brand than ASUS? Is there a fix that won't take weeks to pinpoint?
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In your eyes, I have a really old build, but it plays the games I want to play and doesn't have to do anything more. It's an ASUS P5QD with an overclocked X9650 and a GTX 960. I currently have 8 gigs of some cheap DDR2 and I am pretty sure my ram is the weakest point here. DDR2 is pretty slow being around 6.4 GB/s for most sticks. I could buy 16 gigs of DDR2-800 and allocate more ram to games, or I could buy 8 gigs of DDR2 1066 of a venerable brand, and overclock it to possibly reduce the bottleneck the DDR2 creates. I have searched the corners of the web and some of the shoddiest sites for ram sticks that have both of these characteristics. 4x4 GB of 1066 DDR2 seems like it was never created save for server ram. Just wondering which characteristic of the two is going to be better. Other than this, my system is well balanced, Gpu temps max at 75C and CPU temps max at 45C and both are doing close to the same amount of work. Please don't tell me that my build is old or that I need to upgrade. I know the specs are old and I really don't care. It plays my favorite games at 1080p 60 and that's all I need. Some better ram will let me run slightly higher settings and lower the I/O usage.
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I'm currently using a GT-AX11000 and have been mostly satisfied with it so far! The latency at my house has largely been solid for as long as i've been here. Occasionally servers in games would show ping being doubled what i'm used to, but a simple reset would always squash it back down. Just recently, I received an "Upgraded" modem from Spectrum, and immediately every server in every game has doubled or tripled, like it would on occasion. After a lot of live chats, a couple of techs coming out to my house, and factory resetting everything multiple times, the issues stays the same. The weird part though, is if I plug my computer straight to the modem, my ping is fine, hovering around 30ms in the servers I play in. Switch to router, immediately hits 90ms or more. I tried swapping my router for the same model to see if my particular unit was being problematic, but nothing. I've tried stock firmware, i've tried merlin. And for reference, I am connected over ethernet, never over wifi. Currently I'm on the most recent version of Merlin. Is there anything I can do? Some setting i'm missing, or something that can be done? I know a router adds slight latency but triple the ping of the modem feels insane to me. I'm new to networking, but i've followed everything I could find here to no avail. I'll happily offer any further information if necessary. Thank you in advance!
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Hello LTT fam, long time lurker, first time poster. I've run into an issue that I've never experienced before across several custom builds through 10+ years that I hope you can help me with. I am experiencing occasional, and random, high interrupt latency on my 3975wx system. This causes issues for me trying to stream as it usually results in a quick network disconnect and can also show up as audio pops/clicks/dropouts. I have spent months testing various hardware configurations, bios settings, windows settings, everything I can think of. I cannot figure this out. I bought the "pro" version of LatencyMon which gives me access to its Tight Loop Latency test at HIGH_LEVEL_IRQL, measuring SMIs and CPU stalls. As far as I understand this test, this should be testing interrupt latency at a lower level than drivers, but I also have 10's of documented latency spikes using the non-pro version of LatencyMon as well. Here is one of the tight loop latency test results: https://pastebin.com/B1ytWE56 My current hardware is: 3975wx Asus Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE Wifi Corsair AX1600i EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3090ti 256 (8x32) gigs of Kingston ECC 3200 DDR4 (KSM32RD8/32HAR) I'm running the latest AMD chipset drivers, all the other latest drivers from Asus's support page for my mobo. I have tried replacing every single piece of hardware in my system to rule out a component failure. I've RMA'd the 3975wx, I've RMA'd the motherboard, I've tried a different PSU, I've tried different RAM, and I've tried a different graphics card. I've tried reinstalling windows fresh and I've tried a completely different NVMe drive. I will get latency spikes shown in that tight loop latency test I talked about when I have the networking cable unplugged, any and all other add-on cards removed, and as much software closed as I can. I'm running the 3975wx with C states, threading, and HW stream prefetchers disabled. If you have any ideas for me to try, I'd love to hear them. This is an incredibly expensive system that I would love to get working 100% for those tasty PCIe lanes. I've been documenting my journey over on the level1tech forum if you want to read the insanity that I've tried to track this down thus far. Again, any help would be appreciated. Thanks
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Is there a way to get rid of sudden latency spikes to my router?
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https://imgur.com/SPvjyOY Example:^ Is there some settings i could change on my rotuer to get rid of this? Im running a cable to a switch, that goes into my router. Its an Asus CD6 router, its pretty new and should be plenty for a houshold of 2 people. -
Hey Everyone, I just wanted to post this here to help you guys fix your issue. I was very determined to fix this DPC latency spikes on my nvidia drivers and I can safely say that it is possible to do so. Now with that being said I wanted to explain it in a way that didn't sound quite like the same thing everyone else has been saying. Note: I did not use any driver trimming software. This is the latest driver with all bloatware installed. With that said the main issue is this: The Nvidia driver is just extremely sensitive to latency at any point in the chain*.* So the way that you tweak this to reduce DPC latency spikes is reduce the latency spikes of everything else underneath that is reporting. So what I did is disabled the nvidia driver in display adapters in device manager and then ran latency mon to detect all the other smaller processes underneath that were having issues. Using Microsofts Interrupt affinity policy configuration tool. The main thing i found worked best is separate literally everything off of 1 single core and let only the drivers get that 1 single core. Then program the SSD/Interrupt controller/usb hub/ display drivers/BIOS drivers. ANYTHING that shows up in device manager find a way to spread the workload across all of the cores left and try to make it as even as possible. Once you have done that rerun latency mon and see if your latency spikes are now higher on 1 specific core. If they are try to move around the devices and drivers until you find a combination that works. Once you have that done, THEN REENABLE the drivers and try again. Basically find out how the driver interacts with each core and it's drivers in the system until you find ones that don't like to be together or which ones like to be far apart. So for me putting my WIFI/SSD/INTERRUPT CONTROLLER/USB ever on any same core would cause the NVLDDMKM to have spikes in the hundreds of microseconds. But once I started slowly chipping away at the beast I eventually found a combo that worked and this was the results. DPC latency under 100 and as I am going further along my journey I'm starting to see only 20-40 microseconds rather than 70-80 or 100 I ran a 5 minute latency mon test and then a second 30 minute test with latency mon and posted screenshots on the ntlite . com website forums where this issue was also discussed for many weeks if not years at this point. So if you need any validation or example screenshots of what I am talking about feel free to look at the post or message me. Hopefully this guide helped you guys understand more about the issue itself and how to fix it. Feel free to reach out whenever.
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So the situation is this, I have a 165Hz Gsynch compatible monitor @1440p but it woks at that refreshrate only when hooked up with a Displayport (HDMI outputs 120Hz max) I see that elgato solutions need an HDMI input... And as far as I understand none of them can output 1440p @165hz (also what about variable freshrate? ) Also as far as I understand their best product (4k60s+) has a significant delay when streaming (like above 250ms? ) I dont care to become like a "game streamer" but some of my close friends moved out of my city and now we like skype each other or what not to hang out but this gets a little tedious if our "sessions" last more than an hour and they do usually, because its not the same as hanging around in a bar or at someones place there are moments where there is silence or whatever etc. So I thought (since I am the only gamer, the other dont game but e.g when in my place they liked watching me play and brake my balls with every small detail they see which was getting into my nerves but I somehow miss that now ) that I could like play a game and have them watching and talking to me so me playing the game could fill up those intervals of silence that happen usually when we e.g talk to each other via discord or skype. The issue is that I would like to have as close to 0 latency (so that they wont ask stuff about the game footage they see that is in the "past" on my perspective and confuse me while playing like "oh you didnt pick up that thing!" "What thing?" "the thing next to the desk in that room" <--- which would be a room I already left etc) But I also would like to keep 165Hz and variable refreshrate on my monitor. Last but not least I would like to feed at least 1440p 60hz on the stream. (so having the device bypass on my monitor to hdmi is a no go) So what streaming solution (doesnt necessarily have to be from elgato) could work? Also would there be flickering issues if eg. I hook the GPU to my monitor via DP (165hz variable refreshrate) but the device (e.g elgato) to the HDMI (as a second monitor) since over HDMI the GPU could not give 165Hz feed? Last but not least could suggest to me headset with more than decent microphone and at least ok sound? Money is not necessarily an issue but I would like the best bang for the buck. Thanks
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Hi guys I need a solid from one of you that have a nvidia reflex latency analyzer compatible monitor and mouse. Also I need you to have a PCIe 4.0 PC. I would like you to measure the latency you get (any game doesnt matter as long as its supported for reflex) when you set your GPU slot to PCIe 4.0 Then do the same thing (same game same settings etc same place in the game if possible) and run the latency check again but this time setting your GPU slot to PCIe 3.0 Then again the same thing but setting your GPU slot to PCIe 2.0 I dont have that gear but it is the only way I can think of to measure if there is additional latency involved when lowering down the pcie gen because I have a feeling that if you do that then the chipset will introduce additional latency in order to adjust the pcie clocks and what not so that the PCIe 4.0 CPU can "get" PCI 3 or other signals. Thanks a lot I hope that at least one such person exists and will try to do these measurements for me thank you
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Hi! I finished my build, and I might have shot myself in the leg. Note, that I am not an expert on the topic by any means, I just wanted to build a system which is futureproof, reliable workstation for modeling and bioinformatics, as well as a good gamestation. Here is my setup: -ASUS ROG Zenith II Extreme Alpha -AMD Threadripper 3970x -2xMSI RTX 3090 Suprim X -G.Skill 256GB (8x32GB) kit 3600 Now, I just realised that the Threadripper 3970x officially maxes out at 3200Mhz memory speed, and only the 3990x supports 3600Mhz. Since I purchased the 3600Mhz kit, I am affraid I might have lost performance, since the CL numbers are as follows: 3200 kit: CL16-18-18-38 3600 kit: CL18-22-22-42 After doing the math, I realized that even after I set the RAM to 3200Mhz, I'll have longer latency due to the larger CL numbers, compared to if I have gone with the 3200Mhz kit. My question is: is there any way to maximize my performance, decreasing latency? Either by setting the CL numbers lower, or running the RAM at 3600Mhz? Is it possible to tune these sticks to get the same performance or better, as if I have gone with the 3200 kit? Anything like the infinity fabric or using the DRAM calculator? Thank you very much in advance!
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Man this issue is frustrating. It has been been happening for about a week now, it was completely fine beforehand. So I play COD with my mates in a Discord call, and their voices lag and the game lags terribly. Restarting router / PC resolves the issue temporarily, then it eventually happens again. I am connected wirelessly and ethernet is not possible right now. I have no issues when watching YouTube or anything. When I do a speed test, these are my results: Any suggestions?