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Posts posted by Maxxtraxx

  1. 9 hours ago, SidM said:

    1.3 is way too much ,unless ur @5.3 or have lottery loser

    Notice I said UP TO 1.3v, he's looking for help and some recommendations.


    I know you understand overclocking, what you've said has been unhelpful to the OP's request, I'm happy for your luck in your own personal silicon lottery 8700k.


    It would be useful to the OP if you shared your personal overclocking recommendations for his situation given your own setup and experience.

  2. up to 1.4v is what many consider safe, temps will get a bit crazy at that voltage though.


    the lower the better, but up to 1.3v can produce more controllable temps (i aim for under 90c stress testing)


    you'll settle on a max voltage and therefore temp that you're comfortable with as you go


    start but upping the multiplier one notch at a time, i generally sync all cores and set the voltage to something like 1.3v


    stress test until you crash or temps are too high and start adjusting the voltage up or down in .01v increments till your stability/temps combination hits the sweet spot.

  3. 15 minutes ago, udobenliedivana said:

    Hey! I’m planning to change the thermal paste on my Asus ROG Strix GTX 1070Ti and I was wondering should I also change the thermal pads with lets say Thermal Grizzly ones? I’m not sure about the quality of the stock ones that’s why I’m asking.

    I would reuse the included thermal pads that came with the card.


    Reason being: the thermal pads need to be the proper thickness to properly fit in the space between the part being cooling and the cooler it is transferring the heat to.

    if you get the wrong thickness thermal pads it could potentially not transfer heat due to not enough thickness or potentially interfere with the cooler or plate fully seating on other components due to too much thickness causing it not to sit properly.


    The stock thermal pads should be just fine, just be careful when replacing the paste, if you do have to remove something that touches the thermal pads be sure to be gentle, remember where they went exactly, and not to tear them.

  4. 38 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

    At-will employment, no paid vacation, no paid family leave and strict limits even on unpaid family leave, extremely low minimum wage, poor regulation of working hours and work-life balance, poor safety regulations and compensation, allowing pseudoscientific shit like polygraph testing at all...

    At will employment is not a problem, it's life no matter what millennials think they're entitled to.


    not having paid vacation is not normal but still a 1st world problem, i'm fine with unpaid vacation, the employee also needs to be conscious that their employers specific needs to its customers and thusly the employee needs to be reasonable in taking their vacations, not just demanding they be catered to regardless of the company's needs.



    FMLA eligibility requires the following criteria: The employee must have been employed with the company for 12 months. The employee must have worked at least 1,250 hours during the 12 months prior to the start of FMLA leave.

    Twelve workweeks of leave in a 12-month period for:

    • the birth of a child and to care for the newborn child within one year of birth;
    • the placement with the employee of a child for adoption or foster care and to care for the newly placed child within one year of placement;
    • to care for the employee’s spouse, child, or parent who has a serious health condition;
    • a serious health condition that makes the employee unable to perform the essential functions of his or her job;
    • any qualifying exigency arising out of the fact that the employee’s spouse, son, daughter, or parent is a covered military member on “covered active duty;” or
    • Twenty-six workweeks of leave during a single 12-month period to care for a covered servicemember with a serious injury or illness if the eligible employee is the servicemember’s spouse, son, daughter, parent, or next of kin (military caregiver leave).

    Low minimum wage means look for another job with higher wages, means education to improve opportunities, means do your job well and get promoted, or find another job.


    poor regulation of working hours, the hours the job requires should be known when you take it, if it changes without your approval, find a new job. 


    I understand the work life balance issue it can be hard, if you can't handle it then move on, I worked for 8 years as a salary(paid the same regardless of hours worked) employee at a company that required working five 12 hours days and one 11 hour day, every week, thats 60-70 hours a week. I didn't die. I have a wife, I now have 3 kids. I eventually left for reasons other than what I listed above.


    Poor safety regulations, we have OSHA, they're not perfect, some of their regulations are based on 1960's information, but they provide requirements that are generally reasonable for workplace safety so long as employees provide a dose of common sense.


    IMO: there is so much right with workers rights protections today that the grievances have progressed into the territory of workers not being given enough special attention, special accommodations, coddling and pleasures that were all completely non existent 100 years ago. I'm not saying that these things are not good and helpful.


    I'm saying that there's so much right that we don't realize that much of our complaining revolves around special accommodations and treatment and makes it all sound very much like we're actively looking for things, anything to be upset about... we have protections and regulations that HUGE swaths of the world can barely even dream of, they're just trying no to die on the job and put food on the table, screw FMLA, paid family leave, poor working hours, work/life balance, and polygraph tests.


    We sometimes sounds very much like twitter.

  5. 4 minutes ago, Derangel said:

    Those lazy workers work at non-union job and skate by as well. Unions, generally, protect members from crap like "at-will" employment laws meaning a job has to have just cause to fire someone. It is up to the place of employment to justify that cause, according to contracts and the employee handbook (is one exists). If bad workers, union job or not, are allowed to stick around and keep being bad workers that is on the employer. Bad employees sticking around despite being terrible at their job or just too lazy to do anything is a problem anywhere, it is not remotely exclusive to unions.

    These lazy workers skate by at companies with uncaring/incompetent/lazy HR and management, they do not last at companies with competent HR and management. I have worked for both types of companies and seen the stark difference between them.


    Unions add another layer of protection for incompetence, unions started off with good intentions, unions can still do good, unions have long since passed from public sector commonality because of the enormous improvements in the workplace in the past 100 years.

  6. 1 minute ago, Derangel said:

    With a good union, strikes are part of making sure their members get the contracts required to make life better for them. The recent SAG-AFTA strike against the game industry is a great example. While the union didn't get everything they wanted, they forced the game industry to actually negotiate a much better deal for their members.

    Good for them, I'm not advocating for abusive action on either side, better pay and benefits are good but they should be based upon individual performance in the form of quality of work, performance, and production. 


    The goal of any good employer to employee relationship is that the employee provides more income for the company via their performance than their cost of performing the work they do, that's how the company makes money, making money for performing services is what the employee does and what the employer does for their customers. The more valuable the employee is by producing more goods or services for the company the more they are due in compensation.


    My problem with collective bargaining is that it too often provides security and cover for workers who are incompetent, lazy and unwilling to do more than the minimum... they ride on the coat tails of others doing the work and everyone is worse off because of it, the employer costs go up, other employees have to pick up the slack caused by the poor performance of others and the union often advocates and protects for those who have hurt other employees and the employer because of their actions.

  7. 5 minutes ago, porina said:

    I've yet to see an employment union that I'd consider useful. If the employer is breaking the law, take legal action. Otherwise, if you just don't like it, GTFO.

    My take:


    In the US, Unions once had a purpose, to provide an effective countermeasure to the enormous monopolies(not talking about the current  google, facebook, twitter, ect)  who completely controlled entire industries.


    In the US, workers protections under the law are very good, Unions now operate more like the Mafia, they use intimidation and harassment against non union members(regularly destroying and vandalizing non union work trucks and stealing their equipment), they work to protect dead weight(incompetent, unwilling and blatantly uncaring) workers employment, they demand protection money to even be considered for a job(which in govt sector unions could be forcefully taken against your will from your paycheck until the most recent supreme court case).


    The greatest protection against abusive employers is to be good at your job, be financially independent(have little to no debt, have a 3-6 month emergency fund) and to be willing to leave.


    If you've tied yourself to your job with golden handcuffs because of financial obligations you've knowingly and willfully taken on and are constantly living paycheck to paycheck.


    In the US, unions have a very bad reputation, for a very good reason.


    If a union was to operate with reason, rationality and reason-ability instead of like a bully it could be useful... but power corrupts and once power is gained it is not often willingly given up.


    (the best, most effective, most efficient government in the world would be a benevolent dictatorship(adjective for well meaning and kindly)... but power corrupts and a democracy/republic is often needed to correct the loss of benevolence inherent with unquestioned power)

  8. 5 minutes ago, ZolSnak3 said:

    Also I know this isn't the ram section but for the X370, would dual or quad channel RAM be better?

    To my knowledge Ryzen 2700x is only a dual channel setup, installing 4 sticks of ram will not provide better performance vs 2 sticks of ram because installing 2 more sticks of ram does not increase the memory bandwidth.


    however, 2 sticks of ram could potentially give you better overclocking results due to only having to deal with overclocking 2 sticks of ram instead of 4 sticks and the likelyhood of one of those sticks dragging the others down in speed.


    also, if your primary use for this setup will be gaming and you have no other specific need for 32gb of ram, then for gaming anyway, I can see no reason to have more than 16gb of ram in the system.

  9. Just now, ZolSnak3 said:

    Do you think the 2080 would work as well or should I just invest into a 2080ti?

    the 2080 would work very well, it's what... like $400 usd less for 15-20% lower performance. so it's a much better performer at FPS per dollar spent and it can do 4k 60 and 1440p 144hz but it may need some settings turned down to maintain that performance

  10. One of the biggest benefits that i've heard discussed with the Ryzen processors is getting high speed and low latency ram, the ryzen chips really like faster and quicker ram, it helps them especially well.


    I don't personally have a lot of knowledge on what the new Ryzens are maxing out at with memory speeds, i do recall that the first gen ryzens had difficulty getting memory to run very fast.

  11. Just now, ZolSnak3 said:

    Would an upgrade on any other part of my system help at all and/or bottleneck with a 2080ti?


    technically yes, an overclocked intel 9700k or 9900k would help somewhat, but primarily with very high refresh rate gaming, you're not likely to notice any meaningful difference with most 4k games but you may see a few more fps at 1440p and 140+ FPS.


    but, thats really splitting hairs IMO. it's a huge cash investment for a small improvement.

  12. 2 minutes ago, ZolSnak3 said:

    I have a dell 1440 144hz, and a seperate samsung 4k 60hz. I play black ops, witcher, gta. i was looking for like 150-200 fps

    wow, that's a LOT of GPU horsepower you're looking for.


    with 1440 144hz and 4k 60


    2080Ti is your only option, and that likely won't do 144hz with max settings at 1440p on some AAA games like Witcher 3


    my 1080Ti won't do 100hz at 1440p in witcher 3 if i recall and a 2080Ti is 15-20% faster i believe

  13. As Nocte said,


    the answer to your question depends on:

    1. what resolution you want to run

    2. what refresh rate you want to run

    3. what graphical quality you're interested in


    the answers to these questions could mean you choose anything from an RX580 to a 2080Ti

  14. The temperatures are high, but possibly normal. the 9 series intels run hot.


    it appears that these temperatures all at stock settings?


    One of the things that I am seeing is AVX, AVX instruction set stress testing will give much higher thermal results than a standard stress test.


    If this stress test is using AVX:

    1. are you planning on using AVX regularly in your normal usage of the CPU? if so, an AVX offset may help the temps

    2. if not then run a non AVX stress test and see what happens with the temperatures.


    also: I have seen some youtubers with very high temps get good results from lapping their CPU IHS due to some IHS's having a convex shape that impedes thermal transfer to the cooler.

  15. Not entirely sure what you're asking in this thread,


    I think what i'm hearing is:

    why is this new Asus strix card not clocking as high as my ichill cards with custom 280mm AIO cooler on it.


    well, GPU boost 3.0 automatically clocks your card to the maximum it can given the restrictions in place, those restrictions include:


    power consumption

    factory overclock (if not manually overclocking)

    silicon lottery, the quality/perfectness of the individual chip


    your ichill card has at least 1 large extra in it's favor but may also have others.


    1: the 280mm AIO cooler will provide better cooling than the strix cooler, a cooler chip temperature will allow the card to automatically boost it's clock speeds higher


    2: the AIO does not likely draw power from the card itself(motherboard instead i'm guessing), this means that there is more power for the ichill(though a small amount of power), because Nvidia cards monitor Whole Card power draw not just chip power draw(the asus card is powering fans off the card(thus lowering the amount of power left for the chip) and the ichill is not)


    3: The ichill card may(i've not checked this) come with a slightly higher factory applied base and boost clocking settings

    EDIT: after reviewing the above pictures closer, the ichill card does in fact appear to have higher factory core and memory clocks (1569 vs 1473 core and 1436 vs 1376 memory, this does not mean it is a better manual overclocker per say, it just means ichill was more agressive in the factory settings)


    4: it's possible but unknown without further investigation, that the ichill chip may be a minutely more efficient chip/better overclocker


    the above: cooler temps, lower accessory power draw, possible higher base clocks, possible silicon lottery, GPU boost 3.0


    these add up to the 5 most probable reasons why you're seeing different clock speeds without you applying any overclock the cards yourself.






    recommendation: in afterburner move the power limit slider fully to the right, add 100 to the core clock and memory clock, then run firestrike or ungine valley/heaven and watch what each cards clocks/temps do


    also: unlock voltage control in the settings of afterburner and add 20-50 to the slider for possibly even more clockspeed.

  16. On 12/3/2018 at 12:40 AM, ijoj said:

    Thanks for your advice! I have some follow up questions if you don't mind


    CPU: Is it justifiable in your opinion to get the 9700k over the 8700k given the price difference? I seen some threads mentioning that it would be a better choice to get the 8700k instead


    Motherboard: That seems like a fantastic option, low profile VRM heatsinks and less headache for CPU cooler clearances. How'ss the BIOS and the overall build quality and reliablity of ASRock motherboards though? It's a brand I'm unfamiliar with


    RAM: I'll definitely look into that, never heard of B-die rams and I'm glad that you told me about this!


    GPU: I was going to get the Strix but it seems that the dimension is just a little more than what I could fit in the case (Louqe Ghost S1), I'll most likely be going for the Gigabyte Windforce OC 2080Ti instead. Do you know how the thermals and build quality are on this card? 


    CPU: 9700k vs 8700k is a close race, the winner of any comparison between the two will hinge on the specific applications ability to use the extra logical cores(due to hyperthreading) to full effect, if the application doesn't fully exploit all the available logical cores the results will nearly always favor the 9700k due to more physical cores and higher(or identical) clock speeds.


    Motherboard: as per Buildzoid in the video I referenced, the Asrock board listed has the best VRM(motherboard cpu power supply components) of any ITX board available, one of the most problematic factors for your motherboard in your setup will likely be powering the very power hungry 9700k or 8700k in a hot, low airflow, contained space on an ITX board with minimal space that doesn't allow for a large powerful many phase VRM like on an ATX sized motherboard. The Asrock BIOS's offer all the features of the other brands but are not known for being the easiest to use, so the learning curve will be harder and will likely require more time to familiarize yourself with the BIOS.


    GPU: The asus cards are BIG, stinks that it wont fit. I'm personally fine with any of the main brand (Asus, EVGA, MSI, Gigabyte/Aorus) cards, they all perform well and primarily differ in visual appearance. I am also a fan of the reference nvidia cards, they run a little hotter due to smaller heatsink fin arrays but... man they look great and are quite compact in size.

  17. 6 hours ago, ijoj said:

    Hi guys, I'd like to know your opinions and advice for what I have planned for my build. I'm not that knowledgeable when it comes to the tiny details, specs, etc, so I apologize in advance for that. 


    Budget: I don't have a budget in mind, however I would like to spend more for future-proofing. 

    Aim: Will mostly be used for playing games at 4K, some CAD work (CATIA, Solidworks & Inventor) and also VR. No plans for overclocking in the future. I'm keen on building a mini-ITX system since I want it to be as portable as possible while having upper-end performance.

    Reason for upgrading: Been using a laptop for years and my previous desktop PC was an Intel Pentium IV lol


    Here are the planned components:

    • CPU: Intel Core i7-9700K (I have read that the 8700K is a better choice than the 9700K, advice on this?)
    • Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX Z390-I GAMING Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard (Z390 or Z370 or something else instead for what I'm aiming? Also were some discussion about high thermals on Asus boards and some members recommended Aorus / MSI boards?
    • Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory
    • Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive
    • GPU: Asus GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB ROG Strix Gaming OC Video Card (I'm dead set on the 2080Ti, however I would like to know your opinions)
    • PSU: Corsair SF600 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply


    My Advice:


    CPU: 8700k or 9700K, i would personally go 9700k, IMO the higher pysical core count will be more advantageous in GAMING, hyperthreading can actually sometimes very slightly negatively impact gaming performance due to each core handling 2 threads at once and sometimes being forced to handle individual threads slightly slower as it pushes 2 threads through 1 core. For CAD work, the higher thread count of the 8700k might be better, but i'm unfamiliar.



    Motherboard: Z390 Phantom Gaming ITX/ac

    https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/Z390 Phantom Gaming-ITXac/index.asp


    See Buildzoids video at about the 9 min mark: here



    Memory: for gaming, 16 Gb is more than enough, I am unfamiliar with CAD requirements though, if they leverage more RAM... then 32Gb would be wise. 3200Mhz ram is a good starting spot, it has definate performance improvements over 2666 but isnt as crazy expensive as 3600+ memory can get.


    My advice, use this website and find the cheapest Samsung B-die ram that you can. B-die ram has been shown to have the best timing and overclocking abilities

    Website: HERE



    Storage: 500Gb 960 evo M.2 is a great starting point but with gaming you'll suck up storage fast, i would recommend either adding a 1Tb SATA SSD or upping the 960 to 1Tb


    GPU: the 2080Ti is a monster GPU, terrible performance per dollar... but great performance, pick the one you like best, I like the ASUS as well.


    Just a thought, 1080Ti's offer maybe 15-25% lower performance but cost as much as $700 US less(if you're willing to go with a high quality used/preloved card, they're easily found around me on craigslist for $550)


    PSU: looks good