stupid question, hopefully simple answer

[chanchan63]

question i had a usb hub fry on me and when this happened it took out a few things one being a harddrive that only had a usb cable no power cable.. but my other hard-drives with their own power source was fine.
 

Is this due to them not needing power from the hub so it didn't cause them to short and the reason the usb drive that did not have its own power did short? no the hub was not cheap it was a orico hub just wonder cause will be picking up a new one and if that's why they did not get fried and other hardware did.

[ReHWolution]

If an HDD has an external power souce, it usually doesn't touch the current provided by the USB connection. I've sincerely never heard of Orico (i'm in the EU, maybe that's why?) but if it fried on you only for overdrawing current, well then yeah, don't push it too hard

[chanchan63]

1 hour ago, wONKEyeYEs said:

Wow, sounds like English is your second language.

 

A USB connected HDD will require most of the power available to a USB port.

I would only connect it directly to the port, no extension and especially no hub.

i only have a few usb 3.0 ports and more hardrives that are 3.0 then ports why i had it hooked up to a 3.0 usb hub.. also to bash someone on how they type come on now is this forum all about correct english and a school forum no so don't be a dick

[chanchan63]

1 hour ago, ReHWolution said:

If an HDD has an external power souce, it usually doesn't touch the current provided by the USB connection. I've sincerely never heard of Orico (i'm in the EU, maybe that's why?) but if it fried on you only for overdrawing current, well then yeah, don't push it too hard

so running the 3.0 hub with devices that have its own power and not would be why the drives with own power are fine and the one that needed the hub got fried okay that gives some insight thank you

[chanchan63]

anyone else wanna speak up? is ReHWolution right?

[MrJoosh]

14 hours ago, chanchan63 said:

i only have a few usb 3.0 ports and more hardrives that are 3.0 then ports why i had it hooked up to a 3.0 usb hub.. also to bash someone on how they type come on now is this forum all about correct english and a school forum no so don't be a dick

No flame, but the way you've written your original post makes it especially hard to understand what it is that you are actually asking.

 

That could be the reason for your need to follow up:

6 hours ago, chanchan63 said:

anyone else wanna speak up? is ReHWolution right?

 

[chanchan63]

3 hours ago, MrJoosh said:

No flame, but the way you've written your original post makes it especially hard to understand what it is that you are actually asking.

 

That could be the reason for your need to follow up:

 

well easy to understand.. a powered usb hub i had fried, devices went with  it that didn't have their own power, but devices that did are working fine, so asking if this is cause they had their own power and not using the hub for power why they still work? just so i know when i get another powered hub to just keep devices needing own power plugged into it.

[kirashi]

14 hours ago, chanchan63 said:

well easy to understand.. a powered usb hub i had fried, devices went with  it that didn't have their own power, but devices that did are working fine, so asking if this is cause they had their own power and not using the hub for power why they still work? just so i know when i get another powered hub to just keep devices needing own power plugged into it.

i think the issue people are maybe getting at is that the words being typed all run together into a singular sentence without the use of any line breaks or grammatical punctuation so as not to making it too easy to understand which slows down ones ability to processing the information in a clear and concise manner so as to best help you by another user being able to formulating an answer to your initially requested inquiry about the topic at hand which is regarding the usb hubs power frying causing devices that are connected without their own power source to the hub to die or stop working as was typed in the first post way above up at the top of this thread forum board.

 

To be clear, by no means am I trying to be rude here - in fact, I often ignore things like this and just help with the question as best I can. Just pointing out how difficult it can be to decipher text (on a forum or elsewhere) written by someone else. It's kind of why books, newspapers, and [quality] blog articles go through a lot of QA reading before publication. People are more inclined to help when the information is clear and concise, rather than just closing the page because they don't have the time or even want to decipher a wall of text.

 

 

ANYWAYS.... back on topic! A device getting power from a USB hub directly is more susceptible to overcurrent surges if the hub shorts out or fails before it trips its' own overcurrent protection. Most devices that use their own power source are relatively safe from hubs that act up in this manner, but even a USB device using its' own power source can still short out if you've got a particularly bad USB hub.

 

I totally understand it's unfortunate when it happens, but we can't yet change the laws of physics / electricity, so my advice is to buy quality USB hubs and adapters from trusted brands. Orico can actually be decent, but I've had better luck with Kingston, Lexar, SanDisk, and ANKER SD card readers and USB hubs in general.

[chanchan63]

2 hours ago, kirashi said:

i think the issue people are maybe getting at is that the words being typed all run together into a singular sentence without the use of any line breaks or grammatical punctuation so as not to making it too easy to understand which slows down ones ability to processing the information in a clear and concise manner so as to best help you by another user being able to formulating an answer to your initially requested inquiry about the topic at hand which is regarding the usb hubs power frying causing devices that are connected without their own power source to the hub to die or stop working as was typed in the first post way above up at the top of this thread forum board.

 

To be clear, by no means am I trying to be rude here - in fact, I often ignore things like this and just help with the question as best I can. Just pointing out how difficult it can be to decipher text (on a forum or elsewhere) written by someone else. It's kind of why books, newspapers, and [quality] blog articles go through a lot of QA reading before publication. People are more inclined to help when the information is clear and concise, rather than just closing the page because they don't have the time or even want to decipher a wall of text.

 

 

ANYWAYS.... back on topic! A device getting power from a USB hub directly is more susceptible to overcurrent surges if the hub shorts out or fails before it trips its' own overcurrent protection. Most devices that use their own power source are relatively safe from hubs that act up in this manner, but even a USB device using its' own power source can still short out if you've got a particularly bad USB hub.

 

I totally understand it's unfortunate when it happens, but we can't yet change the laws of physics / electricity, so my advice is to buy quality USB hubs and adapters from trusted brands. Orico can actually be decent, but I've had better luck with Kingston, Lexar, SanDisk, and ANKER SD card readers and USB hubs in general.

thank you, is ANKER truly better then orico would you say tho for usb hubs? i know they are a big brand i went with orico cause i own other hardware from them and the 10port hub i have was on sale years ago so grabbed it.

[kirashi]

17 hours ago, chanchan63 said:

thank you, is ANKER truly better then orico would you say tho for usb hubs? i know they are a big brand i went with orico cause i own other hardware from them and the 10port hub i have was on sale years ago so grabbed it.

IMO I think Anker is better, but when you are pushing that much power through that many ports in a confined space, it increases the chances of short circuits should something get loose in the HUB and bridge contacts together. For more than 7 ports on a USB HUB, I recommend industrial hubs like ones from Startech as they have much better life expectancy due to better construction methods. https://www.startech.com/ca/Cards-Adapters/USB-3.0/Hubs/10-port-industrial-usb-3-0-hub~ST1030USBM

[chanchan63]

7 hours ago, kirashi said:

IMO I think Anker is better, but when you are pushing that much power through that many ports in a confined space, it increases the chances of short circuits should something get loose in the HUB and bridge contacts together. For more than 7 ports on a USB HUB, I recommend industrial hubs like ones from Startech as they have much better life expectancy due to better construction methods. https://www.startech.com/ca/Cards-Adapters/USB-3.0/Hubs/10-port-industrial-usb-3-0-hub~ST1030USBM

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