Building Setup: HELP

[Felix2018]

Hi everyone, just made this Account cause i dont know any people with good pc knowledge.

I want to build my new setup and im blown away by the choices i have to make. Its sooo much 

Budget and Location: Planning around 1300€ (1500$) without GPU want to maybe upgrade with new series - im from germany online shops for me would be mindfactory and alternate
                                      I only want to use it for gaming - as silent as possible but good performance.
                                      Preferably dont want to upgrade my setup in the next years - except GPU.
PC will most likely stand on a shelf and not on the floor to avoid dusting a bit. As im mentioning below i really dont care that much about the looks and / or RBG's but if its included ill take it.

1. CPU -Im only really set on the CPU, best i7 possible at the moment.CPU (?) I want to upgrade everything else except GPU (using EVGA GTX 980)
2. Cooling - my problems are in choosing the cooling: water / air cooling fpr CPU - considering i want to overclock it. First i was set on water cooling from Corsair or Bequiet but after research AiO water coolings, from my readings -  are not as good as air cooling. Variety on air cooling is just massive. No choice yet.
3. Motherboards - im just overwhelmed by the choices, all i know is the socket has to fit with CPU went with this one for now - Asus ROG STRIX
4. Cases - i had a look into the bequiet Silent Base 800 the darkBase seemed to be a bit of an overkill for my needs. However i prefer cooling and silence over looks! Since i first was aiming for water cooling i chose a case with enough space for AiO cooling. I really dont care alot about RGB's - if its included i'll take it, if not, whatever.
5. Ram - all i know is i want DDR4 and decent clock frequency so 3200 (?) G.Skill DDR4 3200 
6. Power Device - since i didnt go for anything too fancy i assumed 600Watt should be fine.

I hope i thought about everything for now,

i really would appreciate someone having a glance over this!

Greetings from germany 

 

[Jurrunio]

8 minutes ago, Felix2018 said:

without GPU want to maybe upgrade with new series

ehh might want to rethink that with a budget of 1300€.  New cards wont be cheap

[Felix2018]

Sorry might not have been clear out of my post. 1300€ without the GPU - so ill upgrade later on another budget

[jiyeon]

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/dwGsmq
Price breakdown by merchant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/dwGsmq/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  (€369.99 @ Alternate) 
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X72 Liquid CPU Cooler  (€198.95 @ Mindfactory) 
Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€223.44 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€167.28 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€115.84 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: NZXT - H700 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  (€156.40 @ Mindfactory) 
Power Supply: be quiet! - Pure Power 10 CM 600W 80+ Silver Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€85.77 @ Mindfactory) 
Total: €1317.67
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-27 04:24 CEST+0200

 

Hey, I made a parts list based on what parts you specified you wanted and also determined the pricing based on the online shops you wanted.  It's a little over €1300, but a few adjustments such as the cooling can help the budgeting.

[Herman Mcpootis]

the Z370-E is overpriced, get a cheaper Z370-A or extreme4 instead.

[Felix2018]

9 minutes ago, seoz said:

PCPartPicker part list: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/dwGsmq
Price breakdown by merchant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/dwGsmq/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  (€369.99 @ Alternate) 
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X72 Liquid CPU Cooler  (€198.95 @ Mindfactory) 
Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€223.44 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€167.28 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€115.84 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: NZXT - H700 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case  (€156.40 @ Mindfactory) 
Power Supply: be quiet! - Pure Power 10 CM 600W 80+ Silver Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€85.77 @ Mindfactory) 
Total: €1317.67
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-27 04:24 CEST+0200

 

Hey, I made a parts list based on what parts you specified you wanted and also determined the pricing based on the online shops you wanted.  It's a little over €1300, but a few adjustments such as the cooling can help the budgeting.

Woa ! Thanks for the effort now the question, why that Case? Air flow or sth. ? And why that massive water cooling ? - or why not Air cooling ?
SSD isnt needed, got 2 already in my current set up, will just swap em out.

[Felix2018]

5 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

the Z370-E is overpriced, get a cheaper Z370-A or extreme4 instead.

Z370 - A 
You mean this i think, but why? The price difference is just ... massive

Also thanks for your response!

[jiyeon]

1 minute ago, Felix2018 said:

Woa ! Thanks for the effort now the question, why that Case? Air flow or sth. ? And why that massive water cooling ? - or why not Air cooling ?
SSD isnt needed, got 2 already in my current set up, will just swap em out.

This new NZXT case is nice for cooling, you're able to mount a 360mm radiator on top or in the front, it's flexible in terms of placement. The water cooling is for maximum cooling for that 8700K, it's a hard CPU to cool. You could go air cooling if you want to, such as a Cryorig H7, be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3/4, or an Arctic Freezer 33 eSports.  

Ah okay, so you already have storage! Nice one.

[brob]

I'd suggest an air cooler rather than an aio. Housed in a cased designed to be quiet, so no tempered glass, its just a black box :). A 1TB ssd, partly because it can fit in the budget and is fast but also because it is silent.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  (€339.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  (€72.89 @ Aquatuning) 
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€154.59 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€152.74 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€166.95 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Fractal Design - Define S ATX Mid Tower Case  (€79.90 @ Caseking) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€85.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €1052.06
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-27 04:38 CEST+0200

[Herman Mcpootis]

1 minute ago, Felix2018 said:

Z370 - A 
You mean this i think, but why? The price difference is just ... massive

Also thanks for your response!

the Asus Z370-A, not that. the VRMs aren't much better for the extra cost.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  (€339.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright - Le Grand Macho RT 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler  (€63.47 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€152.89 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€153.90 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (€84.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Toshiba - 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€72.81 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: be quiet! - Pure Base 600 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (€81.94 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Power Supply: BitFenix - Whisper M 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€91.48 @ Mindfactory) 
Total: €1039.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-27 04:42 CEST+0200

[Felix2018]

12 minutes ago, Herman Mcpootis said:

the Asus Z370-A, not that. the VRMs aren't much better for the extra cost.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  (€339.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright - Le Grand Macho RT 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler  (€63.47 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€152.89 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€153.90 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (€84.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Toshiba - 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€72.81 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: be quiet! - Pure Base 600 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (€81.94 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Power Supply: BitFenix - Whisper M 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€91.48 @ Mindfactory) 
Total: €1039.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-27 04:42 CEST+0200

Ok looks nice and saving money there is nice!

[Felix2018]

15 minutes ago, brob said:

I'd suggest an air cooler rather than an aio. Housed in a cased designed to be quiet, so no tempered glass, its just a black box :). A 1TB ssd, partly because it can fit in the budget and is fast but also because it is silent.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  (€339.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  (€72.89 @ Aquatuning) 
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€154.59 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€152.74 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€166.95 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: Fractal Design - Define S ATX Mid Tower Case  (€79.90 @ Caseking) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€85.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €1052.06
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-27 04:38 CEST+0200

Yes i read into Air cooling a bit and the one you recommended seems to be damn good.
Case wise makes sense without glass cause of the noise. 
SSD thanks for the recommendation but im already sitting on 500gb dont need more!

[Felix2018]

Case wise i checked your recommendations out
@seoz the case in red NZXT h700 red just looks gorgeoous 
im still a fan of the bequiet Silent Base 800 Series - theres one without a window as well.

With an Dark Rock Pro 4 - what is louder, air cooling or water cooling? im thinking water is with pump and everything.
Do i have to check cases nowdays with enough size for the CPU air coolings? I remember this was a thing when i bought my old setup.

[brob]

Air coolers tend to be quieter but liquid tend to be able to handle higher thermal outputs.

 

Yes, cases have to be checked for compatibility with any cooling solution. Max height for air coolers and radiator mounting for aio.

[jiyeon]

3 minutes ago, Felix2018 said:

Case wise i checked your recommendations out
@seoz the case in red NZXT h700 red just looks gorgeoous 
im still a fan of the bequiet Silent Base 800 Series - theres one without a window as well.

If you're set on the Silent Base 800, then you can go for that. I'm not sure if you can fit a 360mm AIO in there though, so look into air cooling if you're hesitant with AIOs.

 

3 minutes ago, Felix2018 said:

With an Dark Rock Pro 4 - what is louder, air cooling or water cooling? im thinking water is with pump and everything.

I've had no experience with AIO/water cooling so I can't really comment on the noise, but I do suppose that may be the case with the pump and radiator, like you say.

 

4 minutes ago, Felix2018 said:

Do i have to check cases nowdays with enough size for the CPU air coolings? I remember this was a thing when i bought my old setup.

Absolutely, that's why I mentioned how you might not fit a certain size of AIO radiator into a Silent Base 800, although cooling solution is completely up to you. Going with air cooling means you don't need to worry about an AIO radiator fitting as well, so one less problem.  

[Sernefarian]

Kraken x72 in silent mode vs Dark Rock Pro 4 seems to be a sound level tie according to this review . With the Kraken providing more cooling overall.

[Felix2018]

For now, thanks for all your quick help! Really appreciate it

Another point for me would be cleaning, Isnt it very annoying to clean those massive CPU air coolers?
However i think i am set on a air cooling, because what im also thinking is that water cooling has more stuff that can break over the years and seems to be alot harder to install?!
 

@seoz you mentioned that the i7 i chose is hard to cool down, since i dont want to go for heavily overclocking (especially since its my first time doing this) i assume air cooling ins fine.
Im just unsure because i feel like i can fuck up more things with a water cooling - also considering i dont want to upgrade stuff - in at least minimum the next 3 years (except GPU as mentioned above) and that the water coolong might not be as persistant over the years as an air cooling.

Cause i think Air cooling sucks in more dust?! But then again water cooling has more fans linked to it  - so more dust for that ?

All im worried about is durability and persistence without any work / or less to put in after.

[jiyeon]

4 hours ago, Felix2018 said:

@seoz you mentioned that the i7 i chose is hard to cool down, since i dont want to go for heavily overclocking (especially since its my first time doing this) i assume air cooling ins fine.
Im just unsure because i feel like i can fuck up more things with a water cooling - also considering i dont want to upgrade stuff - in at least minimum the next 3 years (except GPU as mentioned above) and that the water coolong might not be as persistant over the years as an air cooling.

Air cooling is a perfectly viable option provided you've chosen the right cooler. It is true that with air cooling there are more points of failure and could also be harder to maintain with the liquid inside going bad for instance.

 

4 hours ago, Felix2018 said:

Cause i think Air cooling sucks in more dust?! But then again water cooling has more fans linked to it  - so more dust for that ?

Air cooling may suck in more dust compared to an AIO but I can't say for sure. The nature of having a dedicated fan on the CPU may indicate more dust entry especially if the rest of the case will have fans flanking it. As long as you're filtered, it shouldn't be much of a problem.

 

4 hours ago, Felix2018 said:

Another point for me would be cleaning, Isnt it very annoying to clean those massive CPU air coolers?
However i think i am set on a air cooling, because what im also thinking is that water cooling has more stuff that can break over the years and seems to be alot harder to install?!

Air cooler cleaning is rare, I haven't needed to ever clean my air cooling heatsinks ever, and that includes the cooler fan. It's not much of an issue to keep clean in my experience. Although my NZXT S340 has a dust filter so it helps a lot.

Again, water cooling does have more stuff that can fail, but it's debatable whether it's harder to install. The actual pump heatsink is as easy as most air coolers, it's the radiator that can be challenging only if you don't know where it goes. Long story short, it depends.

 

Since you said you're probably set on air cooling, you can totally go with that, given that you've expressed your concerns with AIO/water-cooling and want to maintain the life of your new PC as far as you can.  

[Felix2018]

Thank you again for your response, i definetly didnt think i would get so much help so quick!


Yes, i set myself on the Dark Rock Pro 4 regarding all those points you mentioned above as well.
I put all the things in the pcpartpicker - and it says everything should be fine - does this include enough space for Ram + CPU + Mainboard in the Case? 

If so i im almost done. However since you posted the NZXT H700 ... oh damn i cant get my eyes off it. 
 

[brob]

9 minutes ago, Felix2018 said:

Thank you again for your response, i definetly didnt think i would get so much help so quick!


Yes, i set myself on the Dark Rock Pro 4 regarding all those points you mentioned above as well.
I put all the things in the pcpartpicker - and it says everything should be fine - does this include enough space for Ram + CPU + Mainboard in the Case? 

If so i im almost done. However since you posted the NZXT H700 ... oh damn i cant get my eyes off it. 
 

Click on the [bb] button, middle of toolbar above build list. Paste the result here so we can look at it and answer questions.

[Felix2018]

Sorry i was out and had no time.

Yes made my choice now i think.
Looking at this only concern as i mentioned above - is there enough space?
Mobo - Ram - Cpu Cooler
And then for upgrading new GPU as soon as they release - enough power, space and compatible with mobo i assume.

How far can i go in therms of overclocking with a Dark Rock 4?

I chose the windowed case, still from bequiet i think i can take those few extra dezibels when looking at that massive CPU cooler.
 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  (€339.00 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler  (€72.89 @ Aquatuning) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€161.84 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€170.84 @ Mindfactory) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 980 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card 
Case: be quiet! - Silent Base 800 w/Window (Orange) ATX Mid Tower Case  (€129.59 @ Mindfactory) 
Power Supply: be quiet! - Pure Power 10 CM 600W 80+ Silver Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€85.77 @ Mindfactory) 
Total: €959.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-27 21:16 CEST+0200

[Felix2018]

Forgot to mention, i also read about that coffee lake i7 heating  can be absurd and heard ppl "delidding" their CPU's - saving up to 15-20 degrees in power mode which sounds insane for me.

 

Apperently theres a company in germany who sell the i7 delidded and with warranty.
Now the question is, worth investing?

i7 delid