thinking about upgrading...

[Freedomholland]

Hi there every one,

 

i would like to know how mutch of a gain i would get from going from a

-Intel xeon 5650 running at 4.6Ghz. (6 core 12 threads)

-30Gb corsair ram 

-gtx 980 (asus g4 gaming) 

-mobo : have no clue. 

-2 Kingston 120GB ssd (they where one of the first ones and are ready to be replaced.)

-5 wd red 1Tb 
 

going to a (example) 

- unlocked i5 /i7 ?  Amd (ryzen 5/7? 

-ddr4 

-gtx980 (asus g4 gaming) 

-matching mobo for the cpu

 

i would like to know if my sytem really needs a update.. i play a lot of escape from tarkov and i have stutters in game but have a Fps around 50~70. I do a lot of Solidworks and desinging in 3D. And i have 0 problems with it now. I got out of the game for to long. And im lost reading all the new stuff that came out and i would like to get a way of direction in the woods  

 

And to be fair.. i dont really have problems with gaming all the tripple A games. I do have stutters that my FPS drops from say 100+ to 30/40 and i have no clue what it is.. maybe HDD.. no clue

 

i do use a 3 screen setup (its just 1080P but all monitors at 144Hz) 

My max of price i wanna spent is about 500/600 euro`s. on Cpu,Mobo,memory. 

thanks in advance ! 

[Coachdude]

Honestly I'd wait until Intel's 8 core mainstream processors get released at this point. You've waited this long, and that system still has a few more years of life left in it, especially with it being that highly clocked. If you want to upgrade now though I wouldn't go for anything lower than the 8700K or Ryzen 2700X. Yes, the i5 8600K and the R5 2600/X would both be upgrades, but they wouldn't be enough of an upgrade in my opinion to ditch your current setup and spend the money required for a new one. Especially with the pricing of RAM still being ludicrously expensive at the moment. Your graphics card on the other hand if you're only gaming at 1080P should still have a few years left in it as well. If you want to game on all three of those monitors, then perhaps a 1080/TI would be a decent upgrade for you.

[Crunchy Dragon]

You could probably get a decent bump in performance. For pure gaming, the 8700K is by far your best option.

 

If you choose to go AMD, don't go with a platform older than Ryzen. The Ryzen 5 1600/2600 are some of the best value CPUs in my opinion(personally run a 1600). They have a pretty good price/performance balance. Plus you'll still get the 6 cores/12 threads.

[Freedomholland]

7 minutes ago, Coachdude said:

Honestly I'd wait until Intel's 8 core mainstream processors get released at this point. You've waited this long, and that system still has a few more years of life left in it, especially with it being that highly clocked. If you want to upgrade now though I wouldn't go for anything lower than the 8700K or Ryzen 2700X. Yes, the i5 8600K and the R5 2600/X would both be upgrades, but they wouldn't be enough of an upgrade in my opinion to ditch your current setup and spend the money required for a new one. Especially with the pricing of RAM still being ludicrously expensive at the moment. Your graphics card on the other hand if you're only gaming at 1080P should still have a few years left in it as well. If you want to game on all three of those monitors, then perhaps a 1080/TI would be a decent upgrade for you.

thanks for your info,  
thats why i`m asking about what to do.. to be fair. I lost all track in the computer world. And i have seen some threadrippers and they look good but i`m a little fan boy deu the fact intel never let me down with ther Cpu`s looking at my xeon one is running almost 24/7. and still alive and kicking. For the gaming part, i try`t it once and i did not liked it.. Maybe in the future i add a 4K screen but then i know i need the GPU power to back it up. 

i agree on your statement to wait for the intel 8Core Cpu`s I read and have seen some 12 core Cpu`s ? but those prices are insane. any idea`s when those Cpu`s would go mainstream ? 

And when i look at the gain in preformence i see  a gain of 37% (i think this a marketing trick.. but who know`s.. i compaired a xeon 5650 to a ryzen 7.. but they dont check OC systems) 

To be fair i agree 100% on your oppion i think i will wait. 

[StarKira]

That cpu is old, but not bad at all, you would have better performance if you got something like top end i7-8700k or skylake X, but anything under that, won't be worth your money, you may not get that much performance increase for the price, and skylake x is expensive as hell, so probable would just take an i5-8600k or i7-8700k

[StarKira]

1 minute ago, Freedomholland said:

thanks for your info,  
thats why i`m asking about what to do.. to be fair. I lost all track in the computer world. And i have seen some threadrippers and they look good but i`m a little fan boy deu the fact intel never let me down with ther Cpu`s looking at my xeon one is running almost 24/7. and still alive and kicking. For the gaming part, i try`t it once and i did not liked it.. Maybe in the future i add a 4K screen but then i know i need the GPU power to back it up. 

i agree on your statement to wait for the intel 8Core Cpu`s I read and have seen some 12 core Cpu`s ? but those prices are insane. any idea`s when those Cpu`s would go mainstream ? 

And when i look at the gain in preformence i see  a gain of 37% (i think this a marketing trick.. but who know`s.. i compaired a xeon 5650 to a ryzen 7.. but they dont check OC systems) 

To be fair i agree 100% on your oppion i think i will wait. 

I don't think you will get that much performance difference with 12 cores in gaming, already 12 threath doesn't give that much better performace over 6 cores, would spend that money on the new gpu's

[Freedomholland]

Just now, StarKira said:

That cpu is old, but not bad at all, you would have better performance if you got something like top end i7-8700k or skylake X, but anything under that, won't be worth your money, you may not get that much performance increase for the price, and skylake x is expensive as hell, so probable would just take an i5-8600k or i7-8700k

Yea its a oldtimer
looking at the prices, im wondering if the preformance gain vs price is resonable.. And looking at a i7-8700k i need DDR4 thats really expensive aswell right now. And looking at a i5-8600K is only a 6core no hyperthreating. And the CPU i have has it i got 6core 12threats. and i use it a lot when i use my 3D program. I`m scared this would be a downgrade.. 
Sorry if it sounds that im being negative im not just brainstorming.  

[Freedomholland]

2 minutes ago, StarKira said:

I don't think you will get that much performance difference with 12 cores in gaming, already 12 threath doesn't give that much better performace over 6 cores, would spend that money on the new gpu's

I know for gaming its a single core preformance. im more talking about the 3D programs i use.  

[Freedomholland]

21 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

You could probably get a decent bump in performance. For pure gaming, the 8700K is by far your best option.

 

If you choose to go AMD, don't go with a platform older than Ryzen. The Ryzen 5 1600/2600 are some of the best value CPUs in my opinion(personally run a 1600). They have a pretty good price/performance balance. Plus you'll still get the 6 cores/12 threads.

i compleet agree on your AMD standpoint from what i read and see i would like to go for a ryzen 5 2600. And like i posted here allready, i`m a little fan boy and i know back in the day when i was fooling around with Pc`s AMD was a egg cooker.. And i still read they are good as a CPU and a heater for your feet

 

[Crunchy Dragon]

Just now, Freedomholland said:

i compleet agree on your AMD standpoint from what i read and see i would like to go for a ryzen 5 2600. And like i posted here allready, i`m a little fan boy and i know back in the day when i was fooling around with Pc`s AMD was a egg cooker.. And i still read they are good as a CPU and a heater for your feet

Ryzen is what the FX series was supposed to be, AMD just really screwed up with the FX line.

 

First-gen Ryzen doesn't overclock too well, so keep that in mind. My 1600 hits a wall at 3.7Ghz. I would definitely encourage you to go Ryzen 5 unless you have the budget for an 8700/8700K.

[Coachdude]

9 minutes ago, Freedomholland said:

thanks for your info,  
thats why i`m asking about what to do.. to be fair. I lost all track in the computer world. And i have seen some threadrippers and they look good but i`m a little fan boy deu the fact intel never let me down with ther Cpu`s looking at my xeon one is running almost 24/7. and still alive and kicking. For the gaming part, i try`t it once and i did not liked it.. Maybe in the future i add a 4K screen but then i know i need the GPU power to back it up. 

i agree on your statement to wait for the intel 8Core Cpu`s I read and have seen some 12 core Cpu`s ? but those prices are insane. any idea`s when those Cpu`s would go mainstream ? 

And when i look at the gain in preformence i see  a gain of 37% (i think this a marketing trick.. but who know`s.. i compaired a xeon 5650 to a ryzen 7.. but they dont check OC systems) 

To be fair i agree 100% on your oppion i think i will wait. 

Well no one has an official release date for them, but I would assume they might be announced at Computex or sometime this year, along with the Z390 series of motherboards. The Ryzen 7 series would be a decent step up from your current system, but again RAM prices are insane at the moment. If you want to stick with Intel though I would wait until at least Computex and see if they announce anything. If your main goal is gaming, however, the i7 8700K really can't be beat. But, seeing as how you are running a GTX 980 it won't make too much difference whether you go with one of the Ryzen processors or stick with Intel, either the 6 core 8700K, or the upcoming mainstream 8 core part, both the Ryzen series of processors and Intel's core lineup do their jobs very well.

[Freedomholland]

Just now, Crunchy Dragon said:

Ryzen is what the FX series was supposed to be, AMD just really screwed up with the FX line.

 

First-gen Ryzen doesn't overclock too well, so keep that in mind. My 1600 hits a wall at 3.7Ghz. I would definitely encourage you to go Ryzen 5 unless you have the budget for an 8700/8700K/16 GB DDR4-3200 its about 680 euro /760 dollars. 

 

 

i could get a upgrade kit. its a  ASUS Prime Z370-P/Intel Core i7-8700K/16 GB DDR4-3200 its about 680 euro /760 dollars. 

[Crunchy Dragon]

Just now, Freedomholland said:

i could get a upgrade kit. its a  ASUS Prime Z370-P/Intel Core i7-8700K/16 GB DDR4-3200 its about 680 euro /760 dollars. 

I would get the 8700 personally unless you want to overclock. Equal performance to the 8700K for a cheaper price and a stock cooler.

 

Also 3200Mhz RAM is a bit overkill IMO.

[Freedomholland]

Just now, Crunchy Dragon said:

I would get the 8700 personally unless you want to overclock. Equal performance to the 8700K for a cheaper price and a stock cooler.

 

Also 3200Mhz RAM is a bit overkill IMO.

I would like to be able to overclock for making it a little future proof. same as i did with my cpu. So its a price i would like to pay for it. what would you suggest for ram speeds ? 

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 minute ago, Freedomholland said:

I would like to be able to overclock for making it a little future proof. same as i did with my cpu. So its a price i would like to pay for it. what would you suggest for ram speeds ? 

Intel doesn't benefit from high RAM speeds as much as Ryzen does, so probably 2666 or so should work. You can always overclock your RAM if you need to as well.

 

Make sure you invest in a good air cooler or AIO if you're going to overclock the 8700K, that thing can kick out a lot of heat.

[KeitaRR]

I think any new platform will give you a major upgrade. AFAIK lga1366 didn't come with native SATA 3, PCI 3 and USB 3, your ssd might be running on a third party controller or just SATA 2. Newer platform also gives your other features such as nvme drives. AMD usually use the same socket for a long time, which you can simply upgrade the cpu without having to buy mobo (unlike intel)

[Freedomholland]

20 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Intel doesn't benefit from high RAM speeds as much as Ryzen does, so probably 2666 or so should work. You can always overclock your RAM if you need to as well.

 

Make sure you invest in a good air cooler or AIO if you're going to overclock the 8700K, that thing can kick out a lot of heat.

thanks for the info. Will read into it and see what the options are. 

[Freedomholland]

22 minutes ago, KeitaRR said:

I think any new platform will give you a major upgrade. AFAIK lga1366 didn't come with native SATA 3, PCI 3 and USB 3, your ssd might be running on a third party controller or just SATA 2. Newer platform also gives your other features such as nvme drives. AMD usually use the same socket for a long time, which you can simply upgrade the cpu without having to buy mobo (unlike intel)

yea i found that out yes  its running on the mobo chipset and i totally dont get the high write and read speeds.. i think this brings up the frame drops and the wierd studders thati cant explain. 

[Crunchy Dragon]

7 minutes ago, Freedomholland said:

thanks for the info. Will read into it and see what the options are. 

People usually recommend the Noctua NH-D15 or bequiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 or 4.

[Freedomholland]

59 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

People usually recommend the Noctua NH-D15 or bequiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 or 4.

For the cooling I'm covered for sure. I run a daul radiator setup. Keep my gpu and CPU way below the threshold. Will read into the mem speed. Becuase that's a whole new ball game on DDR 4 I believe.