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With the upcoming launch of Destiny 2, I'm going to be upgrading my cpu from a fx8320 to an i5 7500 (also changing my motherboard and ram). question though. Will I have to reformat my hard drive and re install windows or will I just be able to hook up the hard drive and use it like normal?

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2 minutes ago, Coltigore said:

With the upcoming launch of Destiny 2, I'm going to be upgrading my cpu from a fx8320 to an i5 7500 (also changing my motherboard and ram). question though. Will I have to reformat my hard drive and re install windows or will I just be able to hook up the hard drive and use it like normal?

locked i5? may aswell get ryzen 5 mah dude

reasoning

better price to performance (1600 or 1600x)

overclocking on ALL B350/X370 motherboards

ALL ryzen cpus are unlocked

Similar performance to intels line up

CPU: Intel9-9900k 5.0GHz at 1.36v  | Cooling: Custom Loop | MOTHERBOARD: ASUS ROG Z370 Maximus X Hero | RAM: CORSAIR 32GB DDR4-3200 VENGEANCE PRO RGB  | GPU: Nvidia RTX 2080Ti | PSU: CORSAIR RM850X + Cablemod modflex white cables | BOOT DRIVE: 250GB SSD Samsung 850 evo | STORAGE: 7.75TB | CASE: Fractal Design Define R6 BLackout | Display: SAMSUNG OLED 34 UW | Keyboard: HyperX Alloy elite RGB |  Mouse: Corsair M65 PRO RGB | OS: Windows 10 Pro | Phone: iPhone 11 Pro Max 256GB

 

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Alright, Which Ryzen 5?

What's your EXACT budget?

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2 minutes ago, Coltigore said:

Alright, Which Ryzen 5?

refresh the page for reasoning, but i think the best price/performance is either the 1600 or the 1600x i cant remeber :) want me to create a partpicker for cpu/ram/mobo?

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZMkDd6

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CPU: Intel9-9900k 5.0GHz at 1.36v  | Cooling: Custom Loop | MOTHERBOARD: ASUS ROG Z370 Maximus X Hero | RAM: CORSAIR 32GB DDR4-3200 VENGEANCE PRO RGB  | GPU: Nvidia RTX 2080Ti | PSU: CORSAIR RM850X + Cablemod modflex white cables | BOOT DRIVE: 250GB SSD Samsung 850 evo | STORAGE: 7.75TB | CASE: Fractal Design Define R6 BLackout | Display: SAMSUNG OLED 34 UW | Keyboard: HyperX Alloy elite RGB |  Mouse: Corsair M65 PRO RGB | OS: Windows 10 Pro | Phone: iPhone 11 Pro Max 256GB

 

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Just now, Coltigore said:

500 dollars. I can go slightly higher, and I have the rest of the parts except for the cooler. 

And this is for a CPU, motherboard, and RAM?

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assuming US:

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XPPdcc
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XPPdcc/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($197.88 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($83.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Team - Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($128.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $410.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-07-29 13:08 EDT-0400

 

If you need cheaper LMK

also I would definitely reinstall Windows to avoid any issues

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1 minute ago, Coltigore said:

500 dollars. I can go slightly higher, and I have the rest of the parts except for the cooler. 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZMkDd6

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZMkDd6
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZMkDd6/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($197.88 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX B350-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($106.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($139.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $444.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-07-29 13:09 EDT-0400

CPU: Intel9-9900k 5.0GHz at 1.36v  | Cooling: Custom Loop | MOTHERBOARD: ASUS ROG Z370 Maximus X Hero | RAM: CORSAIR 32GB DDR4-3200 VENGEANCE PRO RGB  | GPU: Nvidia RTX 2080Ti | PSU: CORSAIR RM850X + Cablemod modflex white cables | BOOT DRIVE: 250GB SSD Samsung 850 evo | STORAGE: 7.75TB | CASE: Fractal Design Define R6 BLackout | Display: SAMSUNG OLED 34 UW | Keyboard: HyperX Alloy elite RGB |  Mouse: Corsair M65 PRO RGB | OS: Windows 10 Pro | Phone: iPhone 11 Pro Max 256GB

 

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Just now, KOMTechAndGaming said:

that works too, since you have a $500 budget which didn't show up before my post lol

 

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1 minute ago, Coltigore said:

yes. This is the amazon cat I have so far:

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the asus b350 f board is good imo

https://www.amazon.com/ROG-B350-F-GAMING-DisplayPort-Motherboard/dp/B071SGQP1Q/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1501348256&sr=8-2&keywords=asus+b350

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Just now, Coltigore said:

yes. This is the amazon cat I have so far:

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That's pretty much what I was going to get you. Maybe you can find a super cheap motherboard, and see how the prices are when you "unbundle" the CPU and motherboard.

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Just now, KOMTechAndGaming said:

the asus b350 f board is good imo

ASRock Pro 4 is a good one too if you want white

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CPU i7-4770K OC @ 4.3GHz | COOLING Cryorig M9i (review| MOTHERBOARD ASUS Z87-PROGPU Gigabyte 1650 Super Windforce OC | RAM  16GB Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR3 1600 MHzSSD Samsung 860 Evo 512GB | HDD Toshiba 3TB 7200RPMPSU EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750WCASE  NZXT H230 | HEADPHONES  Sony WH-1000XM3  | KEYBOARD Corsair STRAFE - Cherry MX Brown | MOUSE  Logitech G602 MONITOR LG 34UM58-P 34" Ultrawide

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OTHER TECH I OWN:

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$550 if you include your ram, this will other more perfomance for $50 more than your budget?

@Coltigore

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Just now, Coltigore said:

But guys, The software. Will I have to re install windows?

its recommended 

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But guys, The software. Will I have to re install windows?

Yeah, you will.

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CPU: Ryzen 7 3700X Motherboard: MSI B450-A Pro Max RAM: 32GB I forget GPU: MSI Vega 56 Storage: 256GB NVMe boot, 512GB Samsung 850 Pro, 1TB WD Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue HDD PSU: Inwin P85 850w Case: Fractal Design Define C Cooling: Stock for CPU, be quiet! case fans, Morpheus Vega w/ be quiet! Pure Wings 2 for GPU Monitor: 3x Thinkvision P24Q on a Steelcase Eyesite triple monitor stand Mouse: Logitech MX Master 3 Keyboard: Focus FK-9000 (heavily modded) Mousepad: Aliexpress cat special Headphones:  Sennheiser HD598SE and Sony Linkbuds

 

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Just now, KOMTechAndGaming said:

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$550 if you include your ram, this will other more perfomance for $50 more than your budget?

@Coltigore

Mobo is cheaper on Newegg and so is the CPU i think

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CPU i7-4770K OC @ 4.3GHz | COOLING Cryorig M9i (review| MOTHERBOARD ASUS Z87-PROGPU Gigabyte 1650 Super Windforce OC | RAM  16GB Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR3 1600 MHzSSD Samsung 860 Evo 512GB | HDD Toshiba 3TB 7200RPMPSU EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750WCASE  NZXT H230 | HEADPHONES  Sony WH-1000XM3  | KEYBOARD Corsair STRAFE - Cherry MX Brown | MOUSE  Logitech G602 MONITOR LG 34UM58-P 34" Ultrawide

HOLA NIGHT THEMERS

GET YOUR ASS ON NIGHT THEME

OTHER TECH I OWN:

MacBook Pro 16" [M1 Pro/32GB/1TB] | 2022 Volkswagen GTI | iPhone 14 Pro | Sony a6000 | Apple Watch Series 8 45mm | 2018 MBP 15" | Lenovo Flex 3 [i7-5500U, HD5500 (fastest on the forum), 8GB RAM, 256GB Samsung 840 Evo] | PS5, Xbox One & Nintendo Switch [Home Theater setup] | DJI Phantom 3 Standard | AirPods 2 | Jaybird Freedom (two pairs) & X2 [long story, PM if you want to know why I have 3 pairs of Jaybirds]

 

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Just now, KOMTechAndGaming said:

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$550 if you include your ram, this will other more perfomance for $50 more than your budget?

@Coltigore

IMO it's not worth going $50 over budget for a Ryzen 7. Ryzen 5 is already pretty powerful.

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Just now, kelvinhall05 said:

Yeah, you will.

 

Just now, KOMTechAndGaming said:

its recommended 

 

1 minute ago, KOMTechAndGaming said:

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$550 if you include your ram, this will other more perfomance for $50 more than your budget?

@Coltigore

Alright, Thanks. I'm all set

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Just now, kelvinhall05 said:

IMO it's not worth going $50 over budget for a Ryzen 7. Ryzen 5 is already pretty powerful.

just putting it out there :P

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