Need Help With Part Choosing and Upgradability

[alanp1995]

Thanks for coming to help.

 

It's been a long time since I've built my own computer.

I sold it on because of money issues, had to get all the money we could to get by, and I've been buying second hand PC's every since.

I've had a few close calls with going to buy new parts but it never happened. I've always had a passion for computers and can't wait to build another new PC.

 

Luckily the time has come!

 

I started researching and planning my build a few weeks back and planned a really nice mid-range build, but the price is the only drawback of course. Was working out about €800/900 when you convert pounds to euros and include shipping (I am located in Ireland but I usually buy from Amazon UK). But when I stumbled across the Pentium G4560, I thought that I could used that as a starting point and upgrade as time goes by rather than buying it all at the one go, that way I have my own new computer and will have the sense/feeling of knowing that I can still make it better and better, which I like.

 

Below you will find the builds, one being the expensive build (END_POINT) and the other being the budget build (START_POINT). I will talk through each part and my intentions. Please don't hesitate to suggest other start points, for example, getting a better CPU and cheaper graphics card. Side note: I have a sufficient SSD already. So here we go:

 

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Expensive Build (END_POINT)

 

- Better to see the end point first to help with what I will talk about in the budget build choices! All suggestions on the future build are completely welcome.

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/VscTNN
 

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£228.00 @ Amazon UK) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (£75.46 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£91.31 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Kingston FURY 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  (£59.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Kingston FURY 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  (£59.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card  (£259.98 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox 5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£57.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£69.95 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £902.67

 

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Budget Build (START_POINT)

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/LyDxtJ

 

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  (£64.95 @ Amazon UK)

- Like mentioned above the G4560 Dual-Core with hyper-threading I can't see why this is not a good start point.

Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£91.31 @ Amazon UK)

- The motherboard is a tough decision, I am not entirely sure what the "best choice" is when it comes to motherboards, usually go by reviews (Would love an MSI board). But the way I looked at this was the motherboard is probably the last thing I want to be swapping around in a computer, so I may as well go for the Z170 Board right off so that the i5-6600K will overclock with that chipset.

Memory: Kingston FURY 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  (£59.99 @ Amazon UK)

- Kingston, reviews are extremely good, was considering the Corsair LPX also, suggestions welcome here. Wasn't sure whether to go 1x8GB and just add another 1x8GB later on.

Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Mini Video Card  (£139.98 @ Amazon UK) 

- Another great budget card, completely outperforms the RX 460 in terms of price for performance. Good starting point I think.

Case: Cooler Master MasterBox 5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£57.99 @ Amazon UK) 

- Case is always another difficult one for me, because of course people don't want a case that looks awesome but feels very cheap. I just know I definitely want a Window and support for 3.0 (Which is surely standard these days). Would definitely love some suggestions on this but this is the start point, so it needs to be well within budget and I thought that this was really nice for a start point.

Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£69.95 @ Amazon UK)

- Seasonic seem to be the superior PSU brand. Would love a modular PSU and I'm hoping that this 620W with Bronze efficiency will be okay for overclocking the i5-7600K down the line....
Total: £484.17

 

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Computer Uses: Important I Guess!

 

- Dual Booting Windows and Linux

- Gaming, mostly light but don't want to be restricted later on down the line with the end build.

- A lot of development, Android Studio... Virtual Devices galore, Visual Studio, Java GUI work....

- Like the occasional streaming session on twitch and recording of course. Like keeping them funny moments for myself to watch later.

- Working with Sony Vegas and the Adobe Suite.

- General stuff too of course!

 

So that's all folks. I'm confident I mentioned as much as possible to help ye out with what I'm looking for. If there is anything else please comment and I will comment back! Thanks a million for your time.

[gtx1060=value]

i would go for a asus z270 pro4 as it literally costs almost the same but should in theory hopefully be compatible with cannonlake

[alanp1995]

9 minutes ago, gtx1060=value said:

i would go for a asus z270 pro4 as it literally costs almost the same but should in theory hopefully be compatible with cannonlake

I see where you are coming from, just like Skylake and Kaby Lake boards. I will look into that, thanks for the suggestion!

[Herman Mcpootis]

for your budget rig, this will do better:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  (£58.80 @ Alza) 
Motherboard: Asus H110M-A/M.2 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£44.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  (£44.87 @ Amazon UK) save the slot for later, this mobo allows you to go up to a 7700k, just that you forego overclocking.
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 480 8GB Video Card  (£199.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Case: Phanteks ECLIPSE P400 ATX Mid Tower Case  (£55.56 @ Aria PC) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£47.96 @ Ebuyer) can take up to a gtx 1070.
Total: £452.17
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-03 02:17 GMT+0000

 

for your more expensive build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£293.94 @ Aria PC) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Pure Rock Slim 35.1 CFM CPU Cooler  (£20.95 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£91.31 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Team Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£82.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Video Card: Palit GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Dual Video Card  (£366.99 @ Ebuyer) 
Case: Cougar Archon ATX Mid Tower Case  (£28.50 @ Eclipse Computers) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£47.96 @ Ebuyer) 
Total: £932.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-03 02:21 GMT+0000

[alanp1995]

8 hours ago, herman mcpootis said:

for your budget rig, this will do better:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  (£58.80 @ Alza) 
Motherboard: Asus H110M-A/M.2 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£44.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  (£44.87 @ Amazon UK) save the slot for later, this mobo allows you to go up to a 7700k, just that you forego overclocking.
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 480 8GB Video Card  (£199.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Case: Phanteks ECLIPSE P400 ATX Mid Tower Case  (£55.56 @ Aria PC) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£47.96 @ Ebuyer) can take up to a gtx 1070.
Total: £452.17
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-03 02:17 GMT+0000

 

This budget build requires me to basically build a whole brand new computer rather than switching and adding new parts down the line. 450W may be able to run a 1070 but for overclocking the i7-6700K down the line, I would definitely need a little more headroom right? I wouldn't want to worry about PSU failure...

[Herman Mcpootis]

3 minutes ago, alanp1995 said:

 

This budget build requires me to basically build a whole brand new computer rather than switching and adding new parts down the line. 450W may be able to run a 1070 but for overclocking the i7-6700K down the line, I would definitely need a little more headroom right? I wouldn't want to worry about PSU failure...

The motherboard allows you to upgrade up to an i7 7700k after a bios update, just that you won't be able to overclock(which isn't a necessary feature, btw) and up to 32gb of ram if you choose to use 16gb dimms. You don't need a higher wattage psu if you choose to overclock the 1070, a system with an i7 4960x and 1070 only eats around 300-310w at load.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review/30

By the time you finish overclocking, the total load should be around 360w or so, which that psu is more than capable of handling.

[alanp1995]

30 minutes ago, herman mcpootis said:

The motherboard allows you to upgrade up to an i7 7700k after a bios update, just that you won't be able to overclock(which isn't a necessary feature, btw) and up to 32gb of ram if you choose to use 16gb dimms. You don't need a higher wattage psu if you choose to overclock the 1070, a system with an i7 4960x and 1070 only eats around 300-310w at load.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review/30

By the time you finish overclocking, the total load should be around 360w or so, which that psu is more than capable of handling.

If overclocking is not available on the board then there is no point going for a K-series Intel Chip?

[Herman Mcpootis]

22 minutes ago, alanp1995 said:

If overclocking is not available on the board then there is no point going for a K-series Intel Chip?

both the 6700k and 7700k are 600mhz faster than their non-k i7 counterparts, so you can still get them if you want the extra speed.