Mid Level Gaming PC

[ratedr95]

Hi All,

 

My PC is starting to get on the old side and struggles to run any of the new AAA titles these days, so looking for an upgrade.

 

The list is here: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/BfYWBP

 

I already have a monitor and peripherals that do not need upgrading as well as a power supply that is adequate for this build.

 

This is probably top end of my budget and will probably be purchased in stages (Mobo and CPU first, then graphics a few weeks later)

 

Just wondering if there were any improvements or suggestions that could be made to potentially lower the price at all?

[KeFy]

looks like a solid build

 

you should be really happy with it 

[bgibbz]

Looks pretty good. My only recommendation would be to get a "fan" style gpu rather than a blower. Blowers are good for small spaces, but you should have plenty of spaces for better cooler. 

[Zyndo]

3 minutes ago, ratedr95 said:

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If you need the price to be lower, don't get an overclockable CPU. Most people don't need that sort of thing. if your monitor is a 60hz monitor, you could get an i5 6500, and a cheaper motherboard with no CPU cooler, just use the stock fan, and that should save you around 100-ish

[ratedr95]

Ah awesome thanks!

 

Like I said this is pushing my budget a little bit, hence the two stage (maybe more) purchasing.

 

But when I first built my PC a while back, I tried to future proof as much as possible just to avoid having to purchase the bigger components sooner

[ratedr95]

7 minutes ago, bgibbz said:

Looks pretty good. My only recommendation would be to get a "fan" style gpu rather than a blower. Blowers are good for small spaces, but you should have plenty of spaces for better cooler. 

So something such as the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 6GB? Only £5 or so more expensive for a dual fan setup?

[Morgan MLGman]

8 minutes ago, ratedr95 said:

Ah awesome thanks!

 

Like I said this is pushing my budget a little bit, hence the two stage (maybe more) purchasing.

 

But when I first built my PC a while back, I tried to future proof as much as possible just to avoid having to purchase the bigger components sooner

If you want to futureproof, this is a MUCH MUCH better option:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£279.00 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! PURE ROCK 51.7 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  (£23.19 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte G1.Sniper B7 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£74.95 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Kingston FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (£67.99 @ Novatech)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 Fury 4GB Triple Dissipation Video Card  (£249.95 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Phanteks ECLIPSE P400 ATX Mid Tower Case  (£54.30 @ Eclipse Computers)
Total: £749.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-11-21 13:56 GMT+0000

[ratedr95]

9 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

If you need the price to be lower, don't get an overclockable CPU. Most people don't need that sort of thing. if your monitor is a 60hz monitor, you could get an i5 6500, and a cheaper motherboard with no CPU cooler, just use the stock fan, and that should save you around 100-ish

I mean realistically I don't need the case so that saves £55 plus getting the 6500 rather than the 6600 saves around the same, plus using the stock fan saves £130+ which is a lot more manageable.

 

I just went with those as a baseline to work with

[bgibbz]

1 minute ago, ratedr95 said:

So something such as the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 6GB? Only £5 or so more expensive for a dual fan setup?

Yes I would go for that one. 

 

 

[bgibbz]

1 hour ago, Morgan MLGman said:

If you want to futureproof, this is a MUCH MUCH better option:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£279.00 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! PURE ROCK 51.7 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  (£23.19 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte G1.Sniper B7 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£74.95 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Kingston FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (£67.99 @ Novatech)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 Fury 4GB Triple Dissipation Video Card  (£249.95 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Phanteks ECLIPSE P400 ATX Mid Tower Case  (£54.30 @ Eclipse Computers)
Total: £749.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-11-21 13:56 GMT+0000

In what way is this better? an arguably worse CPU, a worse GPU and for what? Exactly what in this build is better than the OPs build?

[Morgan MLGman]

3 minutes ago, bgibbz said:

In what way is this better? an arguably worse CPU, a worse GPU and for what? Exactly what in this build is better than the OPs build?

1. 6700 is faster than a 6600K and will do better when paired with higher-end GPUs, not only that but will also last for a longer period of time.

2. R9 Fury is faster than a GTX 1060:

 

Note that my R9 Fury when overclocked scores 17218 GPU score:

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/16182840?

That's 4500 points over a stock 1060 6GB and basically as much as a stock 1070.

 

Link to the review that the picture is from: http://www.legitreviews.com/nvidia-evga-geforce-gtx-1060-video-card-review_184301/9

[bgibbz]

5 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

1. 6700 is faster than a 6600K and will do better when paired with higher-end GPUs, not only that but will also last for a longer period of time.

2. R9 Fury is faster than a GTX 1060:

My mistake then. I still believe that for a "future proof" build, the most current technology should be used. Also, i think that an overclocked 6600k would perform very close to if not better than a 6700.

[Morgan MLGman]

29 minutes ago, bgibbz said:

My mistake then. I still believe that for a "future proof" build, the most current technology should be used. Also, i think that an overclocked 6600k would perform very close to if not better than a 6700.

Well, it's like this:

an i7-6700 is up to 28% faster multithreaded-wise than an 6600K but slower by 9% in singlethreaded tasks, once the 6600K is overclocked to like 5GHz the 6700 is still faster in multithreaded tasks by around 12% but slower in singlethreaded by 17%. That being said, the multithreaded difference is the only that really matters here cause an i7-6700 is still a Skylake i7 with 4GHz boost clock, and that's more than enough for any task out there, while the 6600K might lack overall CPU horsepower in CPU-heavy games like Battlefield 1 when paired with higher-end cards. HyperThreading and more L3 Cache on the i7 also reduce stuttering and improve frametimes, resulting in a smoother gameplay.

 

As for futureproofness, to be fair the R9 Fury is quite a bit more futureproof than a 1060. It's a higher-end card that not so long ago costed twice the price of a GTX 1060 now, it's made of higher-quality components, has proper DX12 support and excels in that and does much better at 1440p, both of those arguments will become more common in the future cause this is the direction that gaming is going right now. Not to mention that it can be Crossfired and some samples can be unlocked to a full-fledged Fury X chip.

[ratedr95]

3 hours ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Well, it's like this:

an i7-6700 is up to 28% faster multithreaded-wise than an 6600K but slower by 9% in singlethreaded tasks, once the 6600K is overclocked to like 5GHz the 6700 is still faster in multithreaded tasks by around 12% but slower in singlethreaded by 17%. That being said, the multithreaded difference is the only that really matters here cause an i7-6700 is still a Skylake i7 with 4GHz boost clock, and that's more than enough for any task out there, while the 6600K might lack overall CPU horsepower in CPU-heavy games like Battlefield 1 when paired with higher-end cards. HyperThreading and more L3 Cache on the i7 also reduce stuttering and improve frametimes, resulting in a smoother gameplay.

 

As for futureproofness, to be fair the R9 Fury is quite a bit more futureproof than a 1060. It's a higher-end card that not so long ago costed twice the price of a GTX 1060 now, it's made of higher-quality components, has proper DX12 support and excels in that and does much better at 1440p, both of those arguments will become more common in the future cause this is the direction that gaming is going right now. Not to mention that it can be Crossfired and some samples can be unlocked to a full-fledged Fury X chip.

I mean thank you for all of the advice (especially with facts to back up your claims nice touch!)

 

Didn't even Linus say in a video that after an overclocked 6600K for gaming it doesn't make much of a difference?

 

I mean by all means I am happy to tweak the builds to what suits me a bit better price wise. The Gigabyte Mobo is definitely a better choice, I am terrible at choosing motherboards and knew the ASUS Z170-A was a good starting point.

 

The main decision I guess left to make is the choice between the 6500/6600K/6700

[Morgan MLGman]

4 hours ago, ratedr95 said:

I mean thank you for all of the advice (especially with facts to back up your claims nice touch!)

 

Didn't even Linus say in a video that after an overclocked 6600K for gaming it doesn't make much of a difference?

 

I mean by all means I am happy to tweak the builds to what suits me a bit better price wise. The Gigabyte Mobo is definitely a better choice, I am terrible at choosing motherboards and knew the ASUS Z170-A was a good starting point.

 

The main decision I guess left to make is the choice between the 6500/6600K/6700

Linus said that when the GTX 10X0 series of GPUs wasn't released yet. Now CPU requirements increased along with GPUs getting faster, hence why for some GPUs an i7 is a must-have (Like the GTX 1080). i7-6700 will also be a relevant CPU for a longer period of time than an i5-6600K.