5820k oc advice

[Joseph Stacklin]

Hello. My apologies for the bad grammar or anything as I'm on my phone posting. 

 

I just upgraded (or downgraded, still not sure) to the 5820k and I want to push it hard. Does anyone have the X99-A Deluxe from Asus and could offer their oc's that I could try? I have it set to the "one click oc" and that got it to 4.1 but I don't know if you can push this chip any further? 

 

Also, my mobo never boots directly into windows. It only boots into the bios. Is this a mobo, cmos, or just an ASUS issue? 

 

Thanks. 

[Megah3rtz]

just go at stock voltage, (not auto) and slowly increase the clockspeed by 0.1ghz (100mhz) at a time until prime95 says a worker fails/windows crashes, then either decrease the speed or increase the voltage by a tiny bit. its hard to reccomend specific voltages since each cpu is different. (also voltage increases temp)

 

overclocking is intimidating but unless you're doing high overclocks its pretty easy. 

[Joseph Stacklin]

3 minutes ago, Megah3rtz said:

just go at stock voltage, (not auto) and slowly increase the clockspeed by 0.1ghz (100mhz) at a time until prime95 says a worker fails/windows crashes, then either decrease the speed or increase the voltage by a tiny bit. its hard to reccomend specific voltages since each cpu is different. (also voltage increases temp)

 

overclocking is intimidating but unless you're doing high overclocks its pretty easy. 

I got a h60 in push/pull so I think I can handle the heat, but it is very intimidating since it tried to brick my system every time. Should I just stick with the recommended OC from Asus? Or should I keep pushing it faster? 

[Zyndo]

18 minutes ago, wolfboytech said:

I got a h60 in push/pull so I think I can handle the heat, but it is very intimidating since it tried to brick my system every time. Should I just stick with the recommended OC from Asus? Or should I keep pushing it faster? 

You are in no risk of bricking your system if you follow the recommended steps provided by @Megah3rtz. Your system MAY fail to boot, or may default to the BIOS if you have an OC that is too aggressive, but you're not going to brick your system. bump up the MHz until it becomes unstable, then bump up the voltage until its stable, then bump up the MHz again until its unstable, then bump up the voltage until its stable. keep doing that until you feel the CPU is at acceptably warm temperatures (I'm not sure what the ideal temp ceiling is for Haswell-E are, you will have to google that or look up a haswell-E guide for that on your own). But no, the recommended Asus OC will have higher voltages than needed, and will not have the maximum potential performance of your chip either as it will OC your chip to a predetermined setting that can easily run on all CPU's, and not all CPU's are created equal. That being said there is also nothing wrong with 4.1 GHz if you're happy with that speed, I'm just saying you could probably get more.

 

There are a great many overclocking guides online for this sort of thing. LTT has several of them as do other tech tubers.

[Megah3rtz]

25 minutes ago, wolfboytech said:

I got a h60 in push/pull so I think I can handle the heat, but it is very intimidating since it tried to brick my system every time. Should I just stick with the recommended OC from Asus? Or should I keep pushing it faster? 

I'm guessing that you meant windows failed to boot/crashed. thats normal, it won't brick your pc. it just means your clock speed is too high for your current voltage. 

[Megah3rtz]

4 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

snippity snap

temps for the i7 5820k are a reccomended 70c and lower (preferably 60-65c), and 75c max. 80c being dangerous 

[Joseph Stacklin]

4 minutes ago, Megah3rtz said:

I'm guessing that you meant windows failed to boot/crashed. thats normal, it won't brick your pc. it just means your clock speed is too high for your current voltage. 

It actually bricked the whole BIOS and I had to do the BIOS Flashback. It was good that I still had that on one of my drives.

[Megah3rtz]

3 minutes ago, wolfboytech said:

It actually bricked the whole BIOS and I had to do the BIOS Flashback. It was good that I still had that on one of my drives.

if you'd still like to overclock try and ask at overclock.net, as the name suggests thats what they specialize in. 

 

if its bricking bios, I don't know since I've never heard of that. (atleast from a CPU, i've heard of similar things with overclocking a GPU) 

[Zyndo]

Just now, wolfboytech said:

It actually bricked the whole BIOS and I had to do the BIOS Flashback. It was good that I still had that on one of my drives.

well... computers can be strange sometimes, so I'm not going to say that such an occurrence would be 100% impossible... but that absolutely should not happen. more than likely your settings were just too high which made the computer not want to boot to the BIOS. you can clear CMOS or pull out the battery for a minute in order to reset the BIOS to its default settings/clock speeds so that you can boot back in again. This is a very common side affect of overclocking and its one of the telltale signs that your frequency is too high or your voltage is too low.

[Joseph Stacklin]

18 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

You are in no risk of bricking your system if you follow the recommended steps provided by @Megah3rtz. Your system MAY fail to boot, or may default to the BIOS if you have an OC that is too aggressive, but you're not going to brick your system. bump up the MHz until it becomes unstable, then bump up the voltage until its stable, then bump up the MHz again until its unstable, then bump up the voltage until its stable. keep doing that until you feel the CPU is at acceptably warm temperatures (I'm not sure what the ideal temp ceiling is for Haswell-E are, you will have to google that or look up a haswell-E guide for that on your own). But no, the recommended Asus OC will have higher voltages than needed, and will not have the maximum potential performance of your chip either as it will OC your chip to a predetermined setting that can easily run on all CPU's, and not all CPU's are created equal. That being said there is also nothing wrong with 4.1 GHz if you're happy with that speed, I'm just saying you could probably get more.

 

There are a great many overclocking guides online for this sort of thing. LTT has several of them as do other tech tubers.

What is the max voltage that I should do. To let you know (BC I know you're going to ask) my system is as follows:

• 5820k
• 4 Case fans
• Corsair H60
• 4x8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX XMP to 2400MHz
• 4, 5, and 6TB Toshiba X300's
• 240GB Hackintosh OCZ SSD
• 980GB Adata SSD
• ASUS X99-Deluxe
• STRIX OC Gtx 1070
• SeaSonic G-750 750W PSU

[Joseph Stacklin]

2 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

well... computers can be strange sometimes, so I'm not going to say that such an occurrence would be 100% impossible... but that absolutely should not happen. more than likely your settings were just too high which made the computer not want to boot to the BIOS. you can clear CMOS or pull out the battery for a minute in order to reset the BIOS to its default settings/clock speeds so that you can boot back in again. This is a very common side affect of overclocking and its one of the telltale signs that your frequency is too high or your voltage is too low.

True. I have killed many a PSU so I just worry about killing my wallet as this is my only system for right now.

[Joseph Stacklin]

3 minutes ago, Megah3rtz said:

if you'd still like to overclock try and ask at overclock.net, as the name suggests thats what they specialize in. 

 

if its bricking bios, I don't know since I've never heard of that. (atleast from a CPU, i've heard of similar things with overclocking a GPU) 

Yeah, I thought about that but they always seem.. On a high horse and don't really want to help the cautious. I actually have no problems with my GPU... Almost at 3GHz on a 1070.. Very insane for me coming from AMD.

[Zyndo]

9 minutes ago, wolfboytech said:

Snip

I've never done Haswell-E overclocking. My overclocking experience/knowledge right now is limited to my 6700k/skylake. If you want to know more about manual overclocking and overclocking Haswell-E in particular, go google that information. go hit up youtube and look for some guides. If you're too lazy to go look up this information and too scared to play around with your machine a little bit, then you should just stick with the "one click" Asus OC tool; There is no shame in that. You are exactly the kind of customer which that feature is tailored towards. However if you want more out of your system, then you are going to have to be the one that gets more out of your system. You shouldn't expect total strangers to hold your hand and do it for you.... nor should you trust total strangers to do such a thing with such an expensive system.

 

Here is the quick rundown of overclocking. If you want more information than this, you need to find it out yourself:

1. Bump up the MHz until its unstable (you can test stability using any number of CPU stresstest programs like Realbench, aida 64 or whatever program you have)

2. Bump up the voltage until its stable (I recommend going in +.01 bumps just to be safe, but you can do whatever)

3. repeat steps 1 and 2 until you hit your temperature ceiling.

[Zyndo]

5 minutes ago, wolfboytech said:

Yeah, I thought about that but they always seem.. On a high horse and don't really want to help the cautious. I actually have no problems with my GPU... Almost at 3GHz on a 1070.. Very insane for me coming from AMD.

you have almost 3GHZ on a 1070?..... that must be a type-o lol

[Joseph Stacklin]

1 minute ago, Zyndo said:

you have almost 3GHZ on a 1070?..... that must be a type-o lol

I know. I honestly didn't believe it either, but... Check the picture. It's taken in the ASUS Util so I don't know how much it's to be believed. It was during Heaven that I took that screenshot.

 

[Joseph Stacklin]

Just now, wolfboytech said:

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So Apparently I'm an idiot. Woops. That was prior to my OC

[Zyndo]

Just now, wolfboytech said:

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Okay... so definitely a type-o... 2GHz is very reasonable for a 1070. pretty good for out of the box settings though if that is what you're running.

[Joseph Stacklin]

3 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

Okay... so definitely a type-o... 2GHz is very reasonable for a 1070. pretty good for out of the box settings though if that is what you're running.

Sorry for the little bit of a hype. I had seen the number jump to 2.8 but I didn't snip it. Sorry. It's now maxing out at 2063 but it's already starting to show little flashes of colours all over the screen. I'm sure.. It'll be fine... Right? Heaven reads it as  2166.. So who knows what I'm actually running.

 

[Joseph Stacklin]

9 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

I've never done Haswell-E overclocking. My overclocking experience right now is limited to my 6700k. If you want to know more about manual overclocking and overclocking Haswell-E in particular, go google that information. go hit up youtube and look for some guides. If you're too lazy to go look up this information and too scared to play around with your machine a little bit, then you should just stick with the "one click" Asus OC tool. You are the kind of customer which that feature is tailored towards. However if you want more out of your system, then you are going to have to be the one that gets more out of your system. You shouldn't expect total strangers to hold your hand and do it for you.... nor should you trust total strangers to do such a thing with such an expensive system.

 

Here is the quick rundown of overclocking. If you want more information than this, you need to find it out yourself:

1. Bump up the MHz until its unstable (you can test stability using any number of CPU stresstest programs like Realbench, aida 64 or whatever program you have)

2. Bump up the voltage until its stable (I recommend going in +.01 bumps just to be safe, but you can do whatever)

3. repeat steps 1 and 2 until you hit your temperature ceiling.

Thanks for the info. Honestly the 5820k isn't that expensive. $400 USD is nothing in comparison to something like the 6800k (I think that's the one?)

[Zyndo]

7 minutes ago, wolfboytech said:

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if you're seeing the number jump to 2.8, then that has to be a software reporting glitch.... 1070's just do not run that fast. they just don't. but if you're seeing artifacting (those little flashes and glitches on screen) at 2063, then your GPU isn't "stable"... you should bump up the voltage if you can, or increase the cooling to get rid of those glitches... or else just lower that frequency again.

 

2.1GHz or around that area tend to be where these cards taper off... although there are outliers and profressional overclockers who know how to get more out of their cards with more extreme measures and physical mods and whatnot. but most of us mere mortals are stuck around the 2.1 threshold give or take

[Zyndo]

9 minutes ago, wolfboytech said:

Thanks for the info. Honestly the 5820k isn't that expensive. $400 USD is nothing in comparison to something like the 6800k (I think that's the one?)

the 6800k is about 400 bucks (its the Broadwell-E version of the 5820k, which you have). you may be talking about the 6950x which is 1700 or some nonsense like that

[Joseph Stacklin]

6 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

the 6800k is about 400 bucks (its the Broadwell-E version of the 5820k, which you have). you may be talking about the 6950x which is like 1700 or some nonsense like that

Crap. So I should return this one and get the 6800K? Is it still 6c/12t? And yes, it's the 6950x I'm thinking about.

[Joseph Stacklin]

8 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

if you're seeing the number jump to 2.8, then that has to be a software reporting glitch.... 1070's just do not run that fast. they just don't. but if you're seeing artifacting (those little flashes and glitches on screen) at 2063, then your GPU isn't "stable"... you should bump up the voltage if you can, or increase the cooling to get rid of those glitches... or else just lower that frequency again.

 

2.1GHz or around that area tend to be where these cards taper off... although there are outliers and profressional overclockers who know how to get more out of their cards with more extreme measures and physical mods and whatnot. but most of us mere mortals are stuck around the 2.1 threshold give or take

Dang. That's what I thought. I'll try to bump the voltage and see what happens.

[Zyndo]

Just now, wolfboytech said:

Crap. So I should return this one and get the 6800K? Is it still 6c/12t? And yes, it's the 6950x I'm thinking about.

yes the 6800k is 6c/12t. the 6950x is 10c/20t. No don't freak out. the haswell-E chips are slightly older, and have slightly lower IPC, but are cheaper and can OC slightly better. overall performance difference is pretty minimal.

[Joseph Stacklin]

2 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

yes the 6800k is 6c/12t. the 6950x is 10c/20t. No don't freak out. the haswell-E chips are slightly older, and have slightly lower IPC, but are cheaper and can OC slightly better. overall performance difference is pretty minimal.

Cool! Thanks for saving my wallet some tears!