Adobe Softwares

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Hi.

 

Im new here.

I wanted to ask about Adobe softwares. From my knowledge, most adobe softwares like premiere pro and after effects are GPU accelerated... Correct?

Is there a big difference in choosing a laptop with integrated GPU and dGPU?

 

This is bcz i was thinking to buy the new 13 MBP.

 

Thanks so much..

[Xanthe_2871]

Yes, many Adobe programs can be GPU accelerated, even Photoshop with Photoshop CC's 3D perspective tool. 

 

That said, most Adobe software is wayyy more CPU dependant, so I would pay more attention to that, and if the laptop also has a dedicated GPU then that's a bonus!

[bb21]

1 minute ago, Xanthe_2871 said:

Yes, many Adobe programs can be GPU accelerated, even Photoshop with Photoshop CC's 3D perspective tool. 

 

That said, most Adobe software is wayyy more CPU dependant, so I would pay more attention to that, and if the laptop also has a dedicated GPU then that's a bonus!

oh... thanks for the tips. Since price is an issue for me, which would u suggest.... The 13 or the 15. The 15 have dGPU by AMD while 13 have an integrated GPU.

 

I also heard AMD GPUs r not on par with NVIDIA GPU. Is that true? And some even say that integrated GPU r better than AMD...

[JefferyD90]

1 minute ago, bb21 said:

oh... thanks for the tips. Since price is an issue for me, which would u suggest.... The 13 or the 15. The 15 have dGPU by AMD while 13 have an integrated GPU.

 

I also heard AMD GPUs r not on par with NVIDIA GPU. Is that true? And some even say that integrated GPU r better than AMD...

If price is a issue, then don't get a Mac.  Especially if you're wanting to do more than just browse facebook or watch a youtube video.

[bb21]

2 minutes ago, JefferyD90 said:

If price is a issue, then don't get a Mac.  Especially if you're wanting to do more than just browse facebook or watch a youtube video.

HAhaahhaha... I get that a lot... I know that for the same price of a MBP, you can get maybe a gming machine or stg similar...

I need mac for FCPX and some other productivity work....

[Xanthe_2871]

27 minutes ago, bb21 said:

oh... thanks for the tips. Since price is an issue for me, which would u suggest.... The 13 or the 15. The 15 have dGPU by AMD while 13 have an integrated GPU.

 

I also heard AMD GPUs r not on par with NVIDIA GPU. Is that true? And some even say that integrated GPU r better than AMD...

I agree that of money is an issue Apple is not a good choice. 

 

I'm not too familiar with their current lineup but I would still recommend you go for a good CPU first and consider the GPU after that.

[JefferyD90]

56 minutes ago, bb21 said:

HAhaahhaha... I get that a lot... I know that for the same price of a MBP, you can get maybe a gming machine or stg similar...

I need mac for FCPX and some other productivity work....

I never suggested a gaming rig.  Quite LITTERALLY for the $1400 or so you're going to spend on the MacBook (with a core i5 and iGPU) you can get a core i7 with a GTX m960/1060, that will run cooler and as a result have higher clock speeds, thus giving you better performance.

 

Mac's quite literally only have 3 purposes in this world:

1.  They're are some critical programs that business have chosen to use that are Mac only (its a entirely different debate that they should have chosen a different program)

2.  They're great for Grandma or someone who doesn't understand computers very well and just wants to get on Facebook occasionally.  Maybe if they needed to use Word every once in a while.

3.  They make people feel better about their social status.

 

Now if you fall into one of these three categories, then by all means get a Mac.  If you don't, PLEASE reconsider for your own sake.  You'll lose productivity, performance, and expandability in the future if you chose a Mac.

[bb21]

4 hours ago, JefferyD90 said:

I never suggested a gaming rig.  Quite LITTERALLY for the $1400 or so you're going to spend on the MacBook (with a core i5 and iGPU) you can get a core i7 with a GTX m960/1060, that will run cooler and as a result have higher clock speeds, thus giving you better performance.

 

Mac's quite literally only have 3 purposes in this world:

1.  They're are some critical programs that business have chosen to use that are Mac only (its a entirely different debate that they should have chosen a different program)

2.  They're great for Grandma or someone who doesn't understand computers very well and just wants to get on Facebook occasionally.  Maybe if they needed to use Word every once in a while.

3.  They make people feel better about their social status.

 

Now if you fall into one of these three categories, then by all means get a Mac.  If you don't, PLEASE reconsider for your own sake.  You'll lose productivity, performance, and expandability in the future if you chose a Mac.

 

I chose mac bcz of FCPX. I know there are alternatives video editing software on windows like premiere pro which is way advance and vegas pro and theres more...

Im still studying in college and my course requires the student to buy any computer of own choice as long as can run Premiere Pro. FCPX is just for my personal editing as i enjoy doing it there.

 

My school doesnt restrict to only use mac.

Im not a grandma. I can use both windows and mac as I own an Air and a custom Windows PC

I think it does makes u feel better about social status. I do feel that sometimes. But i ususally put that aside and think about what i really need.

 

[magicmartin]

10 hours ago, bb21 said:

oh... thanks for the tips. Since price is an issue for me, which would u suggest.... The 13 or the 15. The 15 have dGPU by AMD while 13 have an integrated GPU.

 

I also heard AMD GPUs r not on par with NVIDIA GPU. Is that true? And some even say that integrated GPU r better than AMD...

that is not true. AMD is much better at OpenCL, while Nvidia sucks at any OpenCL support. Which is why AMD completely destroys nvidia when it comes to Bitcoin mining and OpenGL games/apps. And if you intend on using FCPX, then AMD is better because FCPX uses OpenGL and it is really GPU intensive(and it is optimized for OpenGL). Something Nvidia GPUs are not so good at doing...

 

Adobe stuff like premiere will work better with Nvidia because at the moment it is more optimized for Cuda. 

But hopefully they will expand their support for OpenGL in the future...

 

Nvidia and AMD cards have their pros and cons. But no one is better than the other.

It's just that the Nvidia fanboys hate anything else.

[magicmartin]

9 hours ago, JefferyD90 said:

I never suggested a gaming rig.  Quite LITTERALLY for the $1400 or so you're going to spend on the MacBook (with a core i5 and iGPU) you can get a core i7 with a GTX m960/1060, that will run cooler and as a result have higher clock speeds, thus giving you better performance.

 

Mac's quite literally only have 3 purposes in this world:

1.  They're are some critical programs that business have chosen to use that are Mac only (its a entirely different debate that they should have chosen a different program)

2.  They're great for Grandma or someone who doesn't understand computers very well and just wants to get on Facebook occasionally.  Maybe if they needed to use Word every once in a while.

3.  They make people feel better about their social status.

 

Now if you fall into one of these three categories, then by all means get a Mac.  If you don't, PLEASE reconsider for your own sake.  You'll lose productivity, performance, and expandability in the future if you chose a Mac.

Macs are more reliable and don't have as many of those stupid bugs that windows has.

And macs are less prone to viruses.

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2 minutes ago, magicmartin said:

that is not true. AMD is much better at OpenCL, while Nvidia sucks at any OpenCL support. Which is why AMD completely destroys nvidia when it comes to Bitcoin mining and OpenGL games/apps. And if you intend on using FCPX, then AMD is better because FCPX uses OpenGL and it is really GPU intensive(and it is optimized for OpenGL). Something Nvidia GPUs are not so good at doing...

 

Adobe stuff like premiere will work better with Nvidia because at the moment it is more optimized for Cuda. 

But hopefully they will expand their support for OpenGL in the future...

 

Nvidia and AMD cards have their pros and cons. But no one is better than the other.

It's just that the Nvidia fanboys hate anything else.

 

I see.... i really dont quite understand those OpenGL, OpenCL things... it just wont go through this permeable membrane of mine..

[bb21]

1 minute ago, magicmartin said:

Macs are more reliable and don't have as many of those stupid bugs that windows has.

And macs are less prone to viruses.

 

I have to agree on that... Macs are also more fluid in my POV... 

[magicmartin]

11 hours ago, bb21 said:

Hi.

 

Im new here.

I wanted to ask about Adobe softwares. From my knowledge, most adobe softwares like premiere pro and after effects are GPU accelerated... Correct?

Is there a big difference in choosing a laptop with integrated GPU and dGPU?

 

This is bcz i was thinking to buy the new 13 MBP.

 

Thanks so much..

Hmmm... It depends on which adobe products you intend on using. Which ones will you use?

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Just now, magicmartin said:

Hmmm... It depends on which adobe products you intend on using. Which ones will you use?

 

Premiere Pro, After Effects, Photoshop, Lightroom, Illustrator... and some others as well...

[magicmartin]

Hmm.. For the photo editing, the CPU is more important. (photoshop&lightroom)

 

Once you get into video editing, the GPU starts getting more important. But remember that the CPU plays a huge role in rendering, so don't cheap out on it. The GPU is very important when you start adding effects and stuff. When you see a red line above your clip in the timeline for premiere it means that it will use the GPU to render it. Yellow line means CPU. But having a good GPU will help with render times and especially with exporting.

For VFX in after effects the GPU is very important  because it uses the GPU a lot.

 

 

So if you are going to do a lot of video editing, then you might want to get a computer with a dedicated/discrete GPU instead of only the intel one.

For light editing or for editing with FCPX, the intel graphics will be pretty good because of how efficient FCPX is.

But for premiere, I sadly cannot say the same thing. You do need more GPU power because it lacks the efficiency of FCPX.

 

Although you can still get away with the intel iris graphics for the 13 inch MBP for video editing in general. As long as you don't do too much fancy stuff.

[bb21]

1 minute ago, magicmartin said:

Hmm.. For the photo editing, the CPU is more important. (photoshop&lightroom)

 

Once you get into video editing, the GPU starts getting more important. But remember that the CPU plays a huge role in rendering, so don't cheap out on it. The GPU is very important when you start adding effects and stuff. When you see a red line above your clip in the timeline for premiere it means that it will use the GPU to render it. Yellow line means CPU. But having a good GPU will help with render times and especially with exporting.

For VFX in after effects the GPU is very important  because it uses the GPU a lot.

 

 

So if you are going to do a lot of video editing, then you might want to get a computer with a GPU and not the intel one.

For light editing or for editing with FCPX, the intel graphics will be pretty good because of how efficient FCPX is.

But for premiere, I sadly cannot say the same thing. You do need more GPU power because it lacks the efficiency of FCPX.

 

Although you can still get away with the intel iris graphics for the 13 inch MBP for video editing in general. As long as you don't do too much fancy stuff.

 

I see... I forgot to point out i used FCPX but you read my mind... hahahaha

 

So the least i should get is 15 inch since CPU is great and GPU is there.... Correct... Just put price aside...

[magicmartin]

9 hours ago, bb21 said:

 

I see... I forgot to point out i used FCPX but you read my mind... hahahaha

 

So the least i should get is 15 inch since CPU is great and GPU is there.... Correct... Just put price aside...

Yeah, if price is not a problem, then by all means, go with it. But if you are  bit worried about price, then the 13 inch should be fine. As long as you are not doing things that are too advanced in premiere and after effects.

And anyway, even if the 13 inch can keep up with what you are doing, it doesn't hurt to have more performance and faster render/export times.