4k browsers performances

[The Belgian Waffle]

Hello guys, 

 

I have a dual monitor set-up (laptop + old 20" Samsung monitor) so I usually play games and watch YouTube content at the same time. However, I have noticed that some browsers do not perform the same. 

This is what happens when I use Google Chrome : https://gyazo.com/93fdd6389dc5143c89106cba07c401d3

This is what happens when I use Internet Explorer : https://gyazo.com/3f30d7917310849693ee54ac53ef933b

This is what happens when I use Microsoft Edge : https://gyazo.com/344b2ef0a01ff910b8d623209d519394

 

Why does this happen? What's Chrome using that other browsers don't? (Or the opposite)

 

Edit : For some reason, I couldn't screenshot both screens while using Edge. 

Also, this is my PC :

i5 4400m

gt 740m

16 GB of ram

3Gb/s HDD

Windows 10

[aries757]

1 minute ago, The Belgian Waffle said:

Hello guys, 

 

I have a dual monitor set-up (laptop + old 20" Samsung monitor) so I usually play games and watch YouTube content at the same time. However, I have noticed that some browsers do not perform the same. 

This is what happens when I use Google Chrome : https://gyazo.com/93fdd6389dc5143c89106cba07c401d3

This is what happens when I use Internet Explorer : https://gyazo.com/3f30d7917310849693ee54ac53ef933b

This is what happens when I use Microsoft Edge : https://gyazo.com/344b2ef0a01ff910b8d623209d519394

 

Why does this happen? What's Chrome using that other browsers don't? (Or the opposite)

 

 

idk if its related, but i made an topic saying, how chrome wouldnt work for yt for me, when i used tor (an deep web/anonymous browser, which is my secondary browser) it would work fine, with a bit of an problem in the beggining for all vid

[Luc401]

I believe chromium based browsers cant even do true 1080p 

Sauce : http://www.businessinsider.com/netflix-cant-stream-full-1080p-hd-in-chrome-or-firefox-2015-12

[The Belgian Waffle]

6 hours ago, Luc401 said:

I believe chromium based browsers cant even do true 1080p 

Sauce : http://www.businessinsider.com/netflix-cant-stream-full-1080p-hd-in-chrome-or-firefox-2015-12

Weird... So does Chrome use some broken version of flash/html/something else that makes it so heavy to charge? Or will I have to admit that Edge / IE are better coded? 

[Guest]

On 10/16/2016 at 5:07 PM, The Belgian Waffle said:

Weird... So does Chrome use some broken version of flash/html/something else that makes it so heavy to charge? Or will I have to admit that Edge / IE are better coded? 

Chrome is perfectly capable of streaming 1080p, 4k etc... The reason it's not supported with netflix is just related to DRM afaik:

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/netflix/comments/320c3u/all_why_is_it_that_chrome_and_firefox_can_only/cq6tiy6

 

Quote

 

There are a couple of reasons.

• Some content owners don't even allow 720p in the browser (Fox the main one)
• Silverlight can't handle over 3000kbps (720p)
• HTML5 hasn't had its DRM standardised yet and until it is the browsers looking to abide by standards won't get 1080p. It's only IE 11 on Win8 which takes MS standard approach of going their own way and not following standards which has a DRM that's been fully accepted by the Movie/TV industry

So basically you need to upgrade to Windows8 and use IE11 to get most content in 1080p. Even then there will be some that will only play in SD so you will need to use the Win8 app to get all content in 1080p
 

[PlayStation 2]

On 10/16/2016 at 9:46 AM, Luc401 said:

I believe chromium based browsers cant even do true 1080p 

Sauce : http://www.businessinsider.com/netflix-cant-stream-full-1080p-hd-in-chrome-or-firefox-2015-12

Netflix is an exception rather than the rule.

[The Belgian Waffle]

8 hours ago, bwat47 said:

Chrome is perfectly capable of streaming 1080p, 4k etc... The reason it's not supported with netflix is just related to DRM afaik:

It is capable, the thing is it makes my CPU goes to 90+% all the time

[Guest]

15 hours ago, The Belgian Waffle said:

It is capable, the thing is it makes my CPU goes to 90+% all the time

In testing this here I can reproduce what you're seeing (I'm using Opera not chrome here, same chromium engine though)

 

Tested with this video at 4k: 

 

 

I found that with Opera I was getting ~80% cpu usage

 

With Edge I was getting 18-25% cpu usage

 

 

This seems to be caused by the codec being used being different depending on whether you're using chrome or edge. Note: you can check this by right clicking the youtube video and clicking 'stats for nerds'.

 

With Chrome you get served VP9 video by default which is higher quality but more expensive to decode. VP9 also typically doesn't have hardware accelerated decoding like h.264 does (recent chrome versions do show hardware accelerated vpx as enabled under chrome:gpu but I haven't seen it make much if any difference from what I've seen)

 

Edge does not support vp9 so you get served h.264 which is less expensive to decode and has hardware accelerated decoding.

 

You can force youtube to serve you h.264 videos with this extension: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/h264ify/aleakchihdccplidncghkekgioiakgal?hl=en-US

 

After Installing that I now get the same 18-25% cpu usage in Opera playing the video at 4k

 

NOTE: If you use that addon you might not see 4k 60 fps videos available where applicable because afaik youtube only offers the 60fps versions with vp9

 

 

 

[The Belgian Waffle]

7 hours ago, bwat47 said:

NOTE: If you use that addon you might not see 4k 60 fps videos available where applicable because afaik youtube only offers the 60fps versions with vp9

Thanks for this answer !

I cannot test this right now because I'm using my Mac at the moment, but I can already tell that this video doesn't show past 1080p60fps in Safari. In Chrome it has no troubles showing up 4kfps but I can see 4k30fps

 

[Guest]

15 hours ago, The Belgian Waffle said:

Thanks for this answer !

I cannot test this right now because I'm using my Mac at the moment, but I can already tell that this video doesn't show past 1080p60fps in Safari. In Chrome it has no troubles showing up 4kfps but I can see 4k30fps

 

No problem

 

Safari doesn't support vp9 either so it makes sense you wouldn't see the 60fps option there.

 

There's a good article here on the differences between vp9 and h.264 (and their browser support): http://www.howtogeek.com/227940/why-youtube-in-chrome-and-firefox-is-draining-your-laptop’s-battery-and-how-to-fix-it/

[The Belgian Waffle]

12 hours ago, bwat47 said:

No problem

 

Safari doesn't support vp9 either so it makes sense you wouldn't see the 60fps option there.

 

There's a good article here on the differences between vp9 and h.264 (and their browser support): http://www.howtogeek.com/227940/why-youtube-in-chrome-and-firefox-is-draining-your-laptop’s-battery-and-how-to-fix-it/

Thanks, I'll read it after class