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Display Port Max Refresh Rate?

BuckGup
By BuckGup
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I know 1.2 is limited to 4K 60hz but what is it limited to on 3440X1440? 

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It is bandwidth limit. You can do 4k 120Hz if you want with DisplayPort 1.2 if you cut the colors to 256 colors, or maybe acheive 8K if you set the colors to monochrome at 30Hz (I didn't do the math to confirm this, and also you have what your graphics card supports, but the point is that it is bandwidth). Of course, that is assuming you have a special display that supports everything you trow at it, which isn't real life. DP 1.2 effective bandwidth is 17.28 Gbit/s (after overhead and at best).

 

If this calculator (link bellow) is correct, 3440x1440 @ 60Hz at 8bit per channel color, it consumes 8.92Gbps.

120Hz is too much, where it reaches 17.83Gbps, if that is what you wonder (again, based on the calculator bellow).

http://www.kramercanada.ca/support/BWcalculator.asp

So maybe 90-100Hz is more realistic.

 

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It is bandwidth limit. You can do 4k 120Hz if you want with DisplayPort 1.2 if you cut the colors to 256 colors, or maybe acheive 8K if you set the colors to monochrome at 30Hz (I didn't do the math to confirm this, and also you have what your graphics card supports, but the point is that it is bandwidth). Of course, that is assuming you have a special display that supports everything you through at it, which isn't the case. DP 1.2 effective bandwidth is 17.28 Gbit/s (after overhead and: at best).

 

If this calculator (link bellow) is correct, 3440x1440 @ 60Hz at 8bit per channel color, it consumes 8.92Gbps.

120Hz is too much, reaching 17.83Gbps, if that is what you wonder (again, based on the calculator bellow).

http://www.kramercanada.ca/support/BWcalculator.asp

So maybe 90-100Hz is more realistic.

 

Ok so the X34 at 3440X1440p 100hz, IPS, g-sync is really pushing everything to it's limits. Good to hear I guess. Thanks

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47 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

It is bandwidth limit. You can do 4k 120Hz if you want with DisplayPort 1.2 if you cut the colors to 256 colors, or maybe acheive 8K if you set the colors to monochrome at 30Hz (I didn't do the math to confirm this, and also you have what your graphics card supports, but the point is that it is bandwidth). Of course, that is assuming you have a special display that supports everything you trow at it, which isn't real life. DP 1.2 effective bandwidth is 17.28 Gbit/s (after overhead and at best).

 

If this calculator (link bellow) is correct, 3440x1440 @ 60Hz at 8bit per channel color, it consumes 8.92Gbps.

120Hz is too much, where it reaches 17.83Gbps, if that is what you wonder (again, based on the calculator bellow).

http://www.kramercanada.ca/support/BWcalculator.asp

So maybe 90-100Hz is more realistic.

 

That calculator seems to use 10-bit color when 8-bit is selected for some reason...

 

(3440 × 1440) pixels per frame × 24 bits per pixel × 120 frames per second = 14,266,368,000 bits per second, whereas if you use 10-bit color (30 bpp) then you get that 17.83 Gb/s. With the 14.27 Gb/s, there is also overhead in the timing format, if we assume CVT-RB is used then add about 10% to that, but that's still comfortably within the limit of DP 1.2.

 

Keep in mind also that the bandwidth used by 3440×1440 120 Hz is slightly less than what the ASUS PG279Q uses (2560×1440 × 24 bpp × 165 Hz = 14,598,144,000 bits per second, + timing overhead), which does work over DP 1.2.

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1 minute ago, Glenwing said:

That calculator seems to use 10-bit color when 8-bit is selected for some reason...

 

(3440 × 1440) pixels per frame × 24 bits per pixel × 120 frames per second = 14,266,368,000 bits per second, whereas if you use 10-bit color (30 bpp) then you get that 17.83 Gb/s. There is also overhead in the timing format, if we assume CVT-RB is used then add about 10% to that, but that's still comfortably within the limit of DP 1.2.

 

Keep in mind also that the bandwidth used by 3440×1440 120 Hz is slightly less than what the ASUS PG279Q uses (2560×1440 × 24 bpp × 165 Hz = 14,598,144,000 bits per second), which does work over DP 1.2.

I am guessing the difference between 100hz and 120hz is not noticeable at all. Also what kind of compression do monitors use?

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26 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

I am guessing the difference between 100hz and 120hz is not noticeable at all. Also what kind of compression do monitors use?

Monitors don't use any compression that I'm aware of. I'm assuming that having to compress and decompress data would add latency, but it's hard to say since no interfaces implement compression :P Some TVs can use chroma subsampling which is a sort of basic "compression" although it's more of just a standardized way of skipping some of the data, which lowers the data per frame, which lowers image quality but allows more frames per second to fit within the available bandwidth. It doesn't require any decompression algorithms or processing, just the proper support so it can recognize the format.

 

DisplayPort 1.4 just introduced DSC, a form of compression, but we haven't seen it implemented in anything yet so there's no word on latency. DP 1.4 can support up to 4K 120 Hz uncompressed, DSC is only needed for things like 8K 60 Hz, so it doesn't seem like it's really targeted at gaming anyway.

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10 minutes ago, Glenwing said:

Monitors don't use any compression that I'm aware of. I'm assuming that having to compress and decompress data would add latency, but it's hard to say since no interfaces implement compression :P Some TVs can use chroma subsampling which is a sort of basic "compression" although it's more of just a standardized way of skipping some of the data, which lowers the data per frame, which lowers image quality but allows more frames per second to fit within the available bandwidth. It doesn't require any decompression algorithms or processing, just the proper support so it can recognize the format.

 

DisplayPort 1.4 just introduced DSC, a form of compression, but we haven't seen it implemented in anything yet so there's no word on latency. DP 1.4 can support up to 4K 120 Hz uncompressed, DSC is only needed for things like 8K 60 Hz, so it doesn't seem like it's really targeted at gaming anyway.

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