Request for comments on beginner build

[Aprendiz]

Like I said on my other thread, this is my parts list:

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Aprendiz/saved/#view=B3Qkcf

 

I'd like some input on the parts I chose knowing I'm going for a powerful CPU build without much graphics needs. In terms of games I'll only be playing CS:GO and StarCraft2, maybe some LoL. So I figured that a 960 will stay relevant for a while when it comes to the more popular titles.

 

As for the CPU, I'm a computer science student so I sometimes make multi/many-threaded programs that I have to test, but also I'd like the extra cores on the 5820K because I will be making some YouTube content, mainly video tutorials about programming.

 

So what do you guys think?

 

Best regards,

[HKZeroFive]

Quite the case of overkill CPU for your GPU, but at least it's justified.

 

You'll be better off with the R9 380 instead, performs better than the GTX 960 at the same cost.

[alexhelvetica]

Get a R9 380 instead of a GTX 960.

You DON'T Need a 5820k, an i7 4690k 4790k or 6700k is more than sufficient, and the left over money should be spent on a better GPU such as a R9 390.

[Elapo]

Get a R9 380 instead of a GTX 960.

You DON'T Need a 5820k, an i7 4690k or 6700k is more than sufficient, and the left over money should be spent on a better GPU such as a R9 390.

 

Depending on what exactly he's doing in his CS classes, he might well benefit from it. He mentioned he's going to make videos, too, so that'll help with the rendering.

 

But seriously, the order should be 4690k > 5820k > 6700k

 

The 6700k is not worth it vs the other 2.

[alexhelvetica]

Depending on what exactly he's doing in his CS classes, he might well benefit from it. He mentioned he's going to make videos, too, so that'll help with the rendering.

 

But seriously, the order should be 4690k > 5820k > 6700k

 

The 6700k is not worth it vs the other 2.

?????

 

The 6700k replaced the 4790k (and I wrote 4690k by accident, which is DEFIANTLY not better than a 6700k)

The 6700k out preforms the 5820k in single threaded tasks. (Gaming)

[Aprendiz]

Depending on what exactly he's doing in his CS classes, he might well benefit from it. He mentioned he's going to make videos, too, so that'll help with the rendering.

 

But seriously, the order should be 4690k > 5820k > 6700k

 

The 6700k is not worth it vs the other 2.

 

I agree that the 6700K might not be worth it since that at this time it is more costly than the 5820K. There is another problem with the 6700K: it doesn't support DDR4 quad channel, at least that's what the Ark page says.

 

Get a R9 380 instead of a GTX 960.

You DON'T Need a 5820k, an i7 4690k 4790k or 6700k is more than sufficient, and the left over money should be spent on a better GPU such as a R9 390.

 

As for the 4790K, I'd like something more recent. I don't know if this is a bad way to think about it but I think that opting for a 4th generation processor is going to restrict me in the future since I also have to go with an older socket and DDR3. Also, the 15MB L3 cache in the 5820K is going to come in handy for my programs!

[alexhelvetica]

A 6700K is currently more expensive than the 5820K. Why shouldn't I go for it if it's cheaper?

 

As for the 4790K, I'd like something more recent. I don't know if this is a bad way to think about it but I think that opting for a 4th generation processor is going to restrict me in the future since I also have to go with an older socket and DDR3. Also, the 15MB L3 cache in the 5820K is going to come in handy for my programs!

4th Gen i7's are not dated or slow, you will not be able to reuse your ram for your next PC, but that is about it.

CS:GO and LoL use less but more powerful CPU cores, so if you were buying this PC just for that, get the 6700k.

 

If the 5820k is cheaper than the 6700k, go for it.

[Aprendiz]

 

You'll be better off with the R9 380 instead, performs better than the GTX 960 at the same cost.

 

 

Get a R9 380 instead of a GTX 960.

 

I'd very much appreciate some help choosing a silent implementation of the R9 380! I never bought an AMD GPU, so I don't really know what to expect, but a friend recommended the STRIX version of the GTX  960 for it's 0 dB while idle. Is there anything similar for the 380 that is as quiet as possible?

[Elapo]

?????

 

The 6700k replaced the 4790k (and I wrote 4690k by accident, which is DEFIANTLY not better than a 6700k)

The 6700k out preforms the 5820k in single threaded tasks. (Gaming)

 

Yes, and yes. A 4790k is still better value, however, and so is a 5820k, if you really want DDR4. The games OP plays won't stress any of the CPU's enough to make a choice based on that.

 

The difference between 6700k and 4790k is marginal at best, and not worth the price premium. the 5820k gets you a lot more performance per dollar than a 6700k as well, with the added benefit of having more cores, which is great for rendering/compiling/general multitasking.

 

There's very little reason to recommend a 6700k at this point in time, until they stop selling the 4790k or drop the price.

 

4th Gen i7's are not dated or slow, you will not be able to reuse your ram for your next PC, but that is about it.

CS:GO and LoL use less but more powerful CPU cores, so if you were buying this PC just for that, get the 6700k.

 

If the 5820k is cheaper than the 6700k, go for it.

 

But how is RAM upgrade path a problem? A good CPU will last you at least 3-4 years, unless you really need to render a lot and fast. by the time he upgrades his CPU/mobo, DDR4 will be as cheap as DDR3 is now.

 

The 6700k is really not worth it.

[HKZeroFive]

I'd very much appreciate some help choosing a silent implementation of the R9 380! I never bought an AMD GPU, so I don't really know what to expect, but a friend recommended the STRIX version of the GTX  960 for it's 0 dB while idle. Is there anything similar for the 380 that is as quiet as possible?

 

A good aftermarket brand like Sapphire should be relatively quiet.

[Aprendiz]

The difference between 6700k and 4790k is marginal at best, and not worth the price premium. the 5820k gets you a lot more performance per dollar than a 6700k as well, with the added benefit of having more cores, which is great for rendering/compiling/general multitasking.

 

That's exactly why I chose the 5820K, good bang for the buck. But that also implies going with an X99 motherboard and DDR4. It is pricey, but I'm betting it will last me at least 4 years.

[alexhelvetica]

I'd very much appreciate some help choosing a silent implementation of the R9 380! I never bought an AMD GPU, so I don't really know what to expect, but a friend recommended the STRIX version of the GTX  960 for it's 0 dB while idle. Is there anything similar for the 380 that is as quiet as possible?

True, but most GPUs lower the fan speed or turn it off at idle, the GPU fan on idle will not be the loudest thing in his computer, trust me.

[Aprendiz]

A 0 dB GPU? That's a first because I've never heard of that before. Benchmarks online don't seem to support that either.

 

A good aftermarket brand like Sapphire should be relatively quiet.

 

It was recommended by Linus in his ultimate silent gaming PC guide. Check it out.

[HKZeroFive]

It was recommended by Linus in his ultimate silent gaming PC guide. Check it out.

 

Just realised that. I'm stupid

 

Like Comic said, it's basically a universal thing. It just means the fans switch off when idle.

[alexhelvetica]

Yes, and yes. A 4790k is still better value, however, and so is a 5820k, if you really want DDR4. The games OP plays won't stress any of the CPU's enough to make a choice based on that.

 

The difference between 6700k and 4790k is marginal at best, and not worth the price premium. the 5820k gets you a lot more performance per dollar than a 6700k as well, with the added benefit of having more cores, which is great for rendering/compiling/general multitasking.

 

There's very little reason to recommend a 6700k at this point in time, until they stop selling the 4790k or drop the price.

 

 

But how is RAM upgrade path a problem? A good CPU will last you at least 3-4 years, unless you really need to render a lot and fast. by the time he upgrades his CPU/mobo, DDR4 will be as cheap as DDR3 is now.

 

The 6700k is really not worth it.

The difference between the 6700k and 4790k is about 10%, not marginal, but also not a lot either,

I never said ram upgrade path was an issue, I said he will not beable to use DDR3 on his PC to replace this one.

 

I don't know why you are trying to fight me.

[Aprendiz]

True, but most GPUs lower the fan speed or turn it off at idle, the GPU fan on idle will not be the loudest thing in his computer, trust me.

 

Are you saying it will be noisy? I am going to try to make it as silent as possible, that's even why I went for the Noctua NH-D15, its horrendous fans look terrible but seem to be everyone's top choice for air based CPU cooling. Where do you think I can improve?

[alexhelvetica]

Are you saying it will be noisy? I am going to try to make it as silent as possible, that's even why I went for the Noctua NH-D15, its horrendous fans look terrible but seem to be everyone's top choice for air based CPU cooling. Where do you think I can improve?

No, the PC will be very quiet.

[Elapo]

The difference between the 6700k and 4790k is about 10%, not marginal, but also not a lot either,

I never said ram upgrade path was an issue, I said he will not beable to use DDR3 on his PC to replace this one.

 

I don't know why you are trying to fight me.

I'm not "fighting" you at all, merely stating that the 6700k is NOT a good choice at this point in time, something you keep on claiming. If you ultimately still believe that ~5% improvement is worth about 70$, then be my guest. That's 70$ you can use in your next build for that DDR4 you didn't buy this time around. It won't be much more expensive that that anymore by the time you upgrade again.

 

(I found 6700k to be around 410-ish, and 4790k's at ~340. Keep in mind that in many countries in europe, this price difference is even bigger, as a % tax applies to this as well. This is not incorporating the extra you pay for Z170 over Z97/X99. A 5820k costs about ~30$ less in some places, or almost the same as a 6700k.)

 

10% is exaggerated, by the way: source

[Aprendiz]

No, the PC will be very quiet.

Than what did you mean?

 

Do you think I can overclock the CPU (provided it's stable) without the cooler becoming too loud? Say... 4-4.2Ghz?

[alexhelvetica]

I'm not "fighting" you at all, merely stating that the 6700k is NOT a good choice at this point in time, something you keep on claiming. If you ultimately still believe that ~5% improvement is worth about 70$, then be my guest. That's 70$ you can use in your next build for that DDR4 you didn't buy this time around. It won't be much more expensive that that anymore by the time you upgrade again.

 

(I found 6700k to be around 410-ish, and 4790k's at ~340. Keep in mind that in many countries in europe, this price difference is even bigger, as a % tax applies to this as well. This is not incorporating the extra you pay for Z170 over Z97/X99. A 5820k costs about ~30$ less in some places, or almost the same as a 6700k.)

 

10% is exaggerated, by the way: source

Not everywhere the i7 6700k costs more than the i7 4790k, I just had a quick look on PCPP, and they seem to be pretty close in most countries which is expected, since the i7 6700k replaced the 4790k and the RRP is the same @$350

 

 

Also 10% http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4790K/3502vs2384

Anyway, did you look at the chart you linked? I highly doubt that averages out to anything below 10%

 

 

Than what did you mean?

 

Do you think I can overclock the CPU (provided it's stable) without the cooler becoming too loud? Say... 4-4.2Ghz?

I meant that HDDs will be louder than the GPU fan, but since you don't have any/

 

The CPU should stay cool enough to do those OC, but there is still no guarantee that that CPU can OC that much.

[Elapo]

Not everywhere the i7 6700k costs more than the i7 4790k, I just had a quick look on PCPP, and they seem to be pretty close in most countries which is expected, since the i7 6700k replaced the 4790k and the RRP is the same @$350

 

 

Also 10% http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4790K/3502vs2384

Anyway, did you look at the chart you linked? I highly doubt that averages out to anything below 10%

I did.

It has 106 results, tested by knowledgeable people (vs a single benchmark by "amateurs" on userbenchmark), 42(44.52% of the results) of which the 4790k wins. 4 (4.24%) were ties.

The average percentage in the cases where the 6700k IS faster is indeed, 9.816652%. This doesn't mean anything though, since that's the average of just the positive percentages. If I'd added the negative ones, that average would be a lot lower, but I'm too lazy right now.

The median of all results was a 1.2757815% difference. Median is usually a better representation than an average anyway, as in this case it means that the difference in half of the benchmarks is smaller than the median.

The prices I used were from 2 big retailers in the US, Amazon and Newegg. Even if it does cost the same, Z170 still costs more, and so does DDR4.

In places where the price difference is smaller, it might be more worth, but certainly not over the 5820k, which is also close to the same price. This isn't about gaming here, for the record. OP needed the multithreading for rendering & Computer Science classes.

[alexhelvetica]

I did.

It has 106 results, tested by knowledgeable people (vs a single benchmark by "amateurs" on userbenchmark), 42(44.52% of the results) of which the 4790k wins. 4 (4.24%) were ties.

The average percentage in the cases where the 6700k IS faster is indeed, 9.816652%. This doesn't mean anything though, since that's the average of just the positive percentages. If I'd added the negative ones, that average would be a lot lower, but I'm too lazy right now.

The median of all results was a 1.2757815% difference. Median is usually a better representation than an average anyway, as in this case it means that the difference in half of the benchmarks is smaller than the median.

The prices I used were from 2 big retailers in the US, Amazon and Newegg. Even if it does cost the same, Z170 still costs more, and so does DDR4.

In places where the price difference is smaller, it might be more worth, but certainly not over the 5820k, which is also close to the same price. This isn't about gaming here, for the record. OP needed the multithreading for rendering & Computer Science classes.

Why are you doing this? You are making my head hurt after 10 hours of sleep.

 

I did correct myself and said that he should get the 5820k if it is cheaper than the 6700k.

[Elapo]

Why are you doing this? You are making my head hurt after 10 hours of sleep.

 

I did correct myself and said that he should get the 5820k if it is cheaper than the 6700k.

Because I like discussions - it's why I am on a forum, after all.

 

Anyway, No worries, I'll leave you alone.

[Wolf_Lbh]

Wait he i7 6700k can only read 2 sticks of ddr4 ram?

[Aprendiz]

Accoording to the Ark page, it can support only dual-channel memory, be it DDR4 or DDR3. But this is my understanding, someone might correct me.