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What do you mean? I'll be editing video, and I want to know if I will be getting appropriate performance for the hardware I chose.

Pfft. Good luck editing video on a virtual machine. As far as I know, editing on a virtual machine = poor performance.

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Hi all, 

So I am building this PC:


 
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I want to be able to run OSX Yosemite, but I would prefer not to spend the time doing a dual boot hackintosh, especially the hardware selection aspect. I came across the idea of using Oracle's VirtualBox to run a virtual version of Yosemite. However, it occurred to me: Is the performance of a VirtualBox similar to that of the computer that is running it? I plan on using the mac side to edit video in Final Cut, and possible use it with Ableton. Will these programs have worse performance than if I ran them as an actual hackintosh?
 
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It serves its purpose, which is what you want it to do. 

 

I don't know what you will be doing on it... ?

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It serves its purpose, which is what you want it to do. 

 

I don't know what you will be doing on it... ?

 

What do you mean? I'll be editing video, and I want to know if I will be getting appropriate performance for the hardware I chose.

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What do you mean? I'll be editing video, and I want to know if I will be getting appropriate performance for the hardware I chose.

Pfft. Good luck editing video on a virtual machine. As far as I know, editing on a virtual machine = poor performance.

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Pfft. Good luck editing video on a virtual machine. As far as I know, editing on a virtual machine = poor performance.

That is what I was worried about. It makes sense because it would be running two OS's at once, so performance would probably tank.

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for those task performance is gonna be terrible because by default VM's can't use the gpu, you have to make a PCIe bypass in order to use the gpu in a VM, though what i'm not sure is that using the gpu on the vm will make it unavailable for the host OS, so you can't do a bypass with only one gpu, anybody feel free to correct me on this if i'm wrong, also if you can try to get 32gb, though in all honestly your better of dual booting for those aplications 

 

Pfft. Good luck editing video on a virtual machine. As far as I know, editing on a virtual machine = poor performance.

you can, it just needs a lot of tinkering and lots of ram (especially if the OP is going to use OSX) also some hardware changes, a properly set up VM can be almost as powerful as the host

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for those task performance is gonna be terrible because by default VM's can't use the gpu, you have to make a PCIe bypass in order to use the gpu in a VM, though what i'm not sure is that using the gpu on the vm will make it unavailable for the host OS, so you can't do a bypass with only one gpu, anybody feel free to correct me on this if i'm wrong, also if you can try to get 32gb, though in all honestly your better of dual booting for those aplications 

 

you can, it just needs a lot of tinkering and lots of ram also some hardware changes, a properly set up VM can be almost as powerful as the host

Sort of what I meant but yeah. So let me rephrase that editing on virtual machine = lots of tinkering.

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What do you mean? I'll be editing video, and I want to know if I will be getting appropriate performance for the hardware I chose.

Pfft. Good luck editing video on a virtual machine. As far as I know, editing on a virtual machine = poor performance.

 

As long as you devote more than like 12 GB of ram and a lot of disk space to your virtualbox, then it really won't be able to do any editing.

 

So basically you would need 16 Gigs of RAM, 12 or so for editing on VB and 1-4 to run your other programs int he background. Honestly, if you really want to get into video editing on a mac, get a mac.

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Man If you don't want to have problems try to buy a Gygabite board, there are the best for hackintosh you can use install Mac Os in a virtual machine or normal like a linux.

 

 

 

Hi all, 

So I am building this PC:


 
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard  ($129.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Ram: 16gb 1866mhz Ram
Case: NZXT H440 (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Other Stuff that isn't important
Total: $1968.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-23 17:27 EDT-0400
 
I want to be able to run OSX Yosemite, but I would prefer not to spend the time doing a dual boot hackintosh, especially the hardware selection aspect. I came across the idea of using Oracle's VirtualBox to run a virtual version of Yosemite. However, it occurred to me: Is the performance of a VirtualBox similar to that of the computer that is running it? I plan on using the mac side to edit video in Final Cut, and possible use it with Ableton. Will these programs have worse performance than if I ran them as an actual hackintosh?
 
Thanks,
Klark

 

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Hi all, 

So I am building this PC:

 
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard  ($129.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Ram: 16gb 1866mhz Ram
Case: NZXT H440 (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Other Stuff that isn't important
Total: $1968.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-23 17:27 EDT-0400
 
I want to be able to run OSX Yosemite, but I would prefer not to spend the time doing a dual boot hackintosh, especially the hardware selection aspect. I came across the idea of using Oracle's VirtualBox to run a virtual version of Yosemite. However, it occurred to me: Is the performance of a VirtualBox similar to that of the computer that is running it? I plan on using the mac side to edit video in Final Cut, and possible use it with Ableton. Will these programs have worse performance than if I ran them as an actual hackintosh?
 
Thanks,
Klark

 

Just dualboot to mac. I will send you instructions if you want.

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As long as you devote more than like 12 GB of ram and a lot of disk space to your virtualbox, then it really won't be able to do any editing.

 

So basically you would need 16 Gigs of RAM, 12 or so for editing on VB and 1-4 to run your other programs int he background. Honestly, if you really want to get into video editing on a mac, get a mac.

I will be running 16gb of ram. The reason I use final cut is because I started video editing on Final Cut, and at this point, I have already invested a lot of time in learning the software, plus I don't want to spend the money to get another software. Since in theory a hackintosh would be free since I was building the pc for gaming anyways, I figured why not.

 

Man If you don't want to have problems try to buy a Gygabite board, there are the best for hackintosh you can use install Mac Os in a virtual machine or normal like a linux.

Do you know of any good Gigabyte z77 boards? I looked, and the ones that are currently for sale are this hideous light blue. Not that it'd be the end of the world, but I'd prefer a black or something. If not, are there any other z77 boards with stable dmg's?

Just dualboot to mac. I will send you instructions if you want.

That would be great. I have seen so many different instructions/tutorials/bootloaders, that I am not sure where to begin.

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I will be running 16gb of ram. The reason I use final cut is because I started video editing on Final Cut, and at this point, I have already invested a lot of time in learning the software, plus I don't want to spend the money to get another software. Since in theory a hackintosh would be free since I was building the pc for gaming anyways, I figured why not.

 

Okay then that seems alright

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You may have better luck running Yosemite inside of VMware Workstation.

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You may have better luck running Yosemite inside of VMware Workstation.

 

Would it be possible to have mulltiple profiles? For example one where the pc side takes up all of the cores and most of the ram, and then be able to switch to the mac side having all the cores and ram?

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Would it be possible to have mulltiple profiles? For example one where the pc side takes up all of the cores and most of the ram, and then be able to switch to the mac side having all the cores and ram?

By switching to the "Mac side," are you still referring to the virtual machine, or a native hackintosh? Either way, you can adjust the cores and RAM within the settings for the VM (though the VM has to be off to change those things).

Here's a screenshot of my Yosemite VM (that I only use for Tweetbot and iMessage/SMS):

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(I'll change my CPUs from 4 to 1 soon, since it really doesn't need more than that for what I use it for).

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By switching to the "Mac side," are you still referring to the virtual machine, or a native hackintosh? Either way, you can adjust the cores and RAM within the settings for the VM (though the VM has to be off to change those things).

Here's a screenshot of my Yosemite VM (that I only use for Tweetbot and iMessage/SMS):

(I'll change my CPUs from 4 to 1 soon, since it really doesn't need more than that for what I use it for).

I was refering to the virtual machine. If possible I'd like it so that I could set all 4 cores and most if not all the ram to osx when the virtual machine is booted, and then have windows regain full priority after the virtual machine is turned off.

 

yeah!  I'm interested in this as well. 

 

@OP

 

I think for VM is better to go with 6 core as in 5820K  I know there's the expense but I think it's worth it.

I would love too, however the main reason I am going with Z77 as opposed to Z97 or X99 is because I already have the i7 3770 from a scrapped computer, and it's a pretty good cpu, so I want to use it.

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I was refering to the virtual machine. If possible I'd like it so that I could set all 4 cores and most if not all the ram to osx when the virtual machine is booted, and then have windows regain full priority after the virtual machine is turned off.

When you turn the VM off, all of its resources are released back into the host OS (since they have nothing to hold back on to anyway).

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When you turn the VM off, all of its resources are released back into the host OS (since they have nothing to hold back on to anyway).

So in terms of a percentage can you give me a ball park estimate of how much total system performance i can expect with vm?

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So in terms of a percentage can you give me a ball park estimate of how much total system performance i can expect with vm?

It depends on your actual hardware and what resources you give the VM.

Also, hardware-accelerated graphics aren't supported in OS X VMs within any Windows virtual machine software. So, moving windows around may actually be a bit sluggish. You'll then be limited with what you can ultimately do.

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It depends on your actual hardware and what resources you give the VM.

Also, hardware-accelerated graphics aren't supported in OS X VMs within any Windows virtual machine software. So, moving windows around may actually be a bit sluggish. You'll then be limited with what you can ultimately do.

If I gave it 4 cores and 15-16gb of ram?

Also will the lack of hardware acceleration affect video playback? Or would it just be moving and reorganizing windows and programs?

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If I gave it 4 cores and 15-16gb of ram?

Also will the lack of hardware acceleration affect video playback? Or would it just be moving and reorganizing windows and programs?

If you watch a YouTube video, it should be fine, but if you set it to 1080p and make it full screen, it should be very sluggish.

 

OS X VMs really aren't ideal if you actually want to use it for more than just super basic tasks.

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If you watch a YouTube video, it should be fine, but if you set it to 1080p and make it full screen, it should be very sluggish.

 

OS X VMs really aren't ideal if you actually want to use it for more than just super basic tasks.

Well then, it looks like I'll be doing a hackintosh. 

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Well then, it looks like I'll be doing a hackintosh.

Those are more fun anyway :).

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