Part suggestions V2

plowmannn · February 25, 2015

Hey everyone, after the mountains of help I got last time i made one of these posts I couldn't think of any reason not to come back, so here is the situation.

About a month ago now I asked for some build help with a £1000/1250 all inclusive build- my very first, and it went great (still need to upload the video) and I want to build even more than I did before. About two or so weeks ago I came into possession of a rather substantial sum of money from a relative of mine. There is nothing I need (that I haven't already purchased) and well I can't deny- I have build fever and I want to do another one. :lol:

I will be giving my previous build to my parents as they are in need of a new computer and they aren't very tech savvy- i've had to help them quite a few times over the years, so I figured that giving them something that I'd built myself and knew all about it would be fairly easy to help them in the future, but now onto the main point of this topic....

Although I do have a fairly good idea of what I'm going to go with, I wanted to here others opinions, especially on what GPU/GPU's they would go with if they had a £4000+ budget and also opinions on whether ddr4 and x99 is worth going for or sticking to ddr3 and z97 etc.

So in summary, this is a dream type build- let your imagination run wild because to a certain extent, the budget is unlimited. (Obviously don't go too crazy.. I don't really need a 20TB server for gaming hahaha but you get the general gist.) What would you include in your dream build?

All suggestions are welcome and much appreciated, doubt all that many people will read this far but thanks too those who do

Thanks again, Plowmannn.

SimpleG · February 25, 2015

4k? I would highy wait for Broadwell or Skylake, altough x99 will be good for a good time too

Atmos · February 25, 2015

Give me a moment, i'll compile a list for you matey.

-Will edit once finished-

The build as shown below, leaves plenty of room for upgrade (though i can't myself figure out any upgrades that warrant the cost) As well as being a monster 4k Gaming, or Editing rig for any such use. I could not imagine something much better myself, without spending an enormous amount of cash for very very little upgrades.

PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/NrmG6h

Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/NrmG6h/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-5930K 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor (£452.34 @ Aria PC)

CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£84.99 @ Amazon UK)

Motherboard: Asus X99-E WS SSI CEB LGA2011-3 Motherboard (£349.99 @ Amazon UK)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£184.99 @ Scan.co.uk)

Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£114.99 @ Amazon UK)

Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£166.15 @ Amazon UK)

Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX Titan Z 12GB Video Card (£1270.58 @ Scan.co.uk)

Case: Cooler Master Cosmos II (Black) ATX Full Tower Case (£280.98 @ Scan.co.uk)

Power Supply: Corsair AX1500i 1500W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£319.38 @ More Computers)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£140.64 @ CCL Computers)

Sound Card: Asus Xonar Phoebus 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card (£95.00 @ Amazon UK)

Case Fan: Noctua NF-F12 PWM 55.0 CFM 120mm Fan (£16.49 @ Scan.co.uk)

Fan Controller: NZXT SENTRY 3 Fan Controller (£33.54 @ Scan.co.uk)

Monitor: Acer XB280HK bprz 60Hz 28.0" Monitor

Total: £4025.66

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-25 18:39 GMT+0000

plowmannn · February 25, 2015

4k? I would highy wait for Broadwell or Skylake, altough x99 will be good for a good time too

Yeah 4K for sure, I mean I don't really have a limit set on this but in honesty I haven't really read up on up coming releases, when are these due to drop because I will be computer'less in a week or so's time hahah.

plowmannn · February 25, 2015

Give me a moment, i'll compile a list for you matey.

-Will edit once finished-

Thank you kind sir, I look forward to seeing your suggestions

Imakuni · February 25, 2015

Although I do have a fairly good idea of what I'm going to go with, I wanted to here others opinions, especially on what GPU/GPU's they would go with if they had a £4000+ budget and also opinions on whether ddr4 and x99 is worth going for or sticking to ddr3 and z97 etc.

So in summary, this is a dream type build- let your imagination run wild because to a certain extent, the budget is unlimited. (Obviously don't go too crazy.. I don't really need a 20TB server for gaming hahaha but you get the general gist.) What would you include in your dream build?

It really depends on what you want to achieve. There's regular gaming, 4k gaming, rendering, basic internet usage, surround setup, and any mix of those that you can think of.

As far as a gaming rig goes (90% of the builds), you just get 2way gtx 980 and call it a day. 3way is actually worse than 2 way (due to lower minimum fps), and there really isn't anything stronger that you can buy right now. DDR4 is just stupid, games can't take advantage of it. And... well, all you need is to choose the monitor, and you have your build!

plowmannn · February 25, 2015

It really depends on what you want to achieve. There's regular gaming, 4k gaming, rendering, basic internet usage, surround setup, and any mix of those that you can think of.

As far as a gaming rig goes (90% of the builds), you just get 2way gtx 980 and call it a day. 3way is actually worse than 2 way (due to lower minimum fps), and there really isn't anything stronger that you can buy right now. DDR4 is just stupid, games can't take advantage of it. And... well, all you need is to choose the monitor, and you have your build!

I don't really have a cap on this so I think I'm going to go for the best, but I have been debating DDR4 myself actually, because even with no actual budget it just seems extortionate for what it is. This will be an absolutely overkill general purpose machine, that I will more than likely end up using for high end gaming. I don't currently game that often but I think when you have a build like this you can't help but start properly!

plowmannn · February 25, 2015

Give me a moment, i'll compile a list for you matey.

-Will edit once finished-

The build as shown below, leaves plenty of room for upgrade (though i can't myself figure out any upgrades that warrant the cost) As well as being a monster 4k Gaming, or Editing rig for any such use. I could not imagine something much better myself, without spending an enormous amount of cash for very very little upgrades.

PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/NrmG6h

Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/NrmG6h/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-5930K 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor (£452.34 @ Aria PC)

CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£84.99 @ Amazon UK)

Motherboard: Asus X99-E WS SSI CEB LGA2011-3 Motherboard (£349.99 @ Amazon UK)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£184.99 @ Scan.co.uk)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£184.99 @ Scan.co.uk)

Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£114.99 @ Amazon UK)

Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£114.99 @ Amazon UK)

Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£166.15 @ Amazon UK)

Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£166.15 @ Amazon UK)

Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX Titan Z 12GB Video Card (£1270.58 @ Scan.co.uk)

Case: Cooler Master Cosmos II (Black) ATX Full Tower Case (£280.98 @ Scan.co.uk)

Power Supply: Corsair AX1500i 1500W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£319.38 @ More Computers)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£140.64 @ CCL Computers)

Sound Card: Asus Xonar Phoebus 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card (£95.00 @ Amazon UK)

Case Fan: Noctua NF-F12 PWM 55.0 CFM 120mm Fan (£16.49 @ Scan.co.uk)

Case Fan: Noctua NF-F12 PWM 55.0 CFM 120mm Fan (£16.49 @ Scan.co.uk)

Case Fan: Noctua NF-F12 PWM 55.0 CFM 120mm Fan (£16.49 @ Scan.co.uk)

Case Fan: Noctua NF-F12 PWM 55.0 CFM 120mm Fan (£16.49 @ Scan.co.uk)

Fan Controller: NZXT SENTRY 3 Fan Controller (£33.54 @ Scan.co.uk)

Monitor: Acer XB280HK bprz 60Hz 28.0" Monitor

Total: £4025.66

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-25 18:39 GMT+0000

thank you indeed

johngo90 · February 25, 2015

Currently I am planning to do a Custom water loop skylake build in the Parvum S2.0 case. Build will be Black/Blue as seen here: http://www.parvumsystems.com/product/s2-0-black-blue

Interior of the case will be painted white and illuminated by white LED's. Coolant color will be a deep blue or jizz stain white.

i7-6990 12 core 6.0ghz (This is really just w/e skylake processor it out)

mATX form factor

16GB of RAM

1TB SSD

GTX 1080 (OR W/E THE HELL THEY WILL NAME IT) possibly 2.

Evga g3 Platinum 2000W PSU.. JK... probably pull my g2 from my rig right now.

Atmos · February 25, 2015

thank you indeed

I would wait though, for at least a short time, as AMD is getting very near to releasing their 300 series, which promises to shake the market up a bit, and might even be, dare i say, the fastest cards around. No sense in waiting for broadwell, as it will leave desktops practically unaffected, and skylake is still more than a year away.

plowmannn · February 25, 2015

I would wait though, for at least a short time, as AMD is getting very near to releasing their 300 series, which promises to shake the market up a bit, and might even be, dare i say, the fastest cards around. No sense in waiting for broadwell, as it will leave desktops practically unaffected, and skylake is still more than a year away.

Hmm, will it be AMD's rival card to the titans? I can't say i keep very up to date with AMD as for the cards I've always looked at they haven't even come close to comparing. I'll have to look it up in a little while. If skylake is a year away, and i have about a month I don't think I'm going to be waiting around!

Thank you very much for all your help, I'm comparing what you got for 4000 to what i had, interesting might i say! Thanks again.

February 25, 2015

No need to spend £4K imo. Anything over 2 way SLI or CF has diminishing returns.

You can add more storage if 1TB isn't enough.

Gigabyte have a free upgrade offer with the Black Edition boards - http://bk.gigabyte.eu/EN_faq.html

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£260.34 @ Aria PC)

CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X61 106.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£108.40 @ Aria PC)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H-BK ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£133.20 @ Kustom PCs)

Memory: Kingston Savage 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory (£95.99 @ Amazon UK)

Storage: Crucial MX200 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£346.72 @ More Computers)

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 980 4GB Twin Frozr Video Card (2-Way SLI) (£461.86 @ More Computers)

Case: Phanteks Enthoo Luxe ATX Full Tower Case (£113.05 @ Scan.co.uk)

Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£102.48 @ Scan.co.uk)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£74.09 @ Amazon UK)

Monitor: Asus ROG SWIFT PG278Q 144Hz 27.0" Monitor (£591.11 @ Amazon UK)

Other: EVGA G2 Red/Black Braided Cable Set (£69.95)

Other: Phanteks Enthoo Luxe LED Strip 2m (£12.95)

Total: £2832.00

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-25 19:38 GMT+0000

The new AMD cards are due out fairly soon, and you will also have a choice of Freesync monitors as well.

Atmos · February 25, 2015

Hmm, will it be AMD's rival card to the titans? I can't say i keep very up to date with AMD as for the cards I've always looked at they haven't even come close to comparing. I'll have to look it up in a little while. If skylake is a year away, and i have about a month I don't think I'm going to be waiting around!

Thank you very much for all your help, I'm comparing what you got for 4000 to what i had, interesting might i say! Thanks again.

Amd has been competing toe to toe with Nvidia for some time now. The 290X smashing the 780, but then falling short to the 780ti, and then the 295x2 killing everything until the release of the TitanZ. If you blind yourself to an entire company because of prejudice then you blind yourself to a lot of possibilities.

AMD's newest cards are releasing with HBM or stacked memory, meaning a bus of theorized 4096bit on the 390X, an enormous advantage over current means. Those cards are bound to shake the market up quite a bit on their release, I won't hold my breath for many things, but for this, I am.

plowmannn · February 25, 2015

Currently I am planning to do a Custom water loop skylake build in the Parvum S2.0 case. Build will be Black/Blue as seen here: http://www.parvumsystems.com/product/s2-0-black-blue

Interior of the case will be painted white and illuminated by white LED's. Coolant color will be a deep blue or jizz stain white.

i7-6990 12 core 6.0ghz (This is really just w/e skylake processor it out)

mATX form factor

16GB of RAM

1TB SSD

GTX 1080 (OR W/E THE HELL THEY WILL NAME IT) possibly 2.

Evga g3 Platinum 2000W PSU.. JK... probably pull my g2 from my rig right now.

Sounds like its going to be a crazy machine, exactly what i want to go for ;D thank you.

plowmannn · February 25, 2015

No need to spend £4K imo. Anything over 2 way SLI or CF has diminishing returns.

You can add more storage if 1TB isn't enough.

Gigabyte have a free upgrade offer with the Black Edition boards - http://bk.gigabyte.eu/EN_faq.html

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£260.34 @ Aria PC)

CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X61 106.1 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£108.40 @ Aria PC)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H-BK ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£133.20 @ Kustom PCs)

Memory: Kingston Savage 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory (£95.99 @ Amazon UK)

Storage: Crucial MX200 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£346.72 @ More Computers)

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 980 4GB Twin Frozr Video Card (2-Way SLI) (£461.86 @ More Computers)

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 980 4GB Twin Frozr Video Card (2-Way SLI) (£461.86 @ More Computers)

Case: Phanteks Enthoo Luxe ATX Full Tower Case (£113.05 @ Scan.co.uk)

Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£102.48 @ Scan.co.uk)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£74.09 @ Amazon UK)

Monitor: Asus ROG SWIFT PG278Q 144Hz 27.0" Monitor (£591.11 @ Amazon UK)

Other: EVGA G2 Red/Black Braided Cable Set (£69.95)

Other: Phanteks Enthoo Luxe LED Strip 2m (£12.95)

Total: £2832.00

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-25 19:38 GMT+0000

The new AMD cards are due out fairly soon, and you will also have a choice of Freesync monitors as well.

thanks for the input I will be considering all options, I just thought with no theoretical budget then why not, its nice to have the best of the best ;D

plowmannn · February 25, 2015

Amd has been competing toe to toe with Nvidia for some time now. The 290X smashing the 780, but then falling short to the 780ti, and then the 295x2 killing everything until the release of the TitanZ. If you blind yourself to an entire company because of prejudice then you blind yourself to a lot of possibilities.

AMD's newest cards are releasing with HBM or stacked memory, meaning a bus of theorized 4096bit on the 390X, an enormous advantage over current means. Those cards are bound to shake the market up quite a bit on their release, I won't hold my breath for many things, but for this, I am.

You make a very valid point, I shall be sure to give them a little more time from now on I was mainly going off reviews i saw online as almost everyone takes 980's or 780ti's over everything else. What is your opinion on that? would you rather take the titan z you suggested earlier in the build or sli 980's?

Atmos · February 25, 2015

You make a very valid point, I shall be sure to give them a little more time from now on I was mainly going off reviews i saw online as almost everyone takes 980's or 780ti's over everything else. What is your opinion on that? would you rather take the titan z you suggested earlier in the build or sli 980's?

I would take the Titan Z, since you've got the cash to get one. Although, if it was me, I would get dual 295x2s for slightly less, and more performance. However, i am torn on that myself.

The titan Z offers a lot of Vram, 6gb per chip infact. The 4gb of vram on the 980 is good, but not great. Especially on a 4k monitor that will only use more and more vram over time. The performance difference between dual 980's and a Titan Z, is something like Dual 980s being about 10-15% faster. But, with 2 less gb of vram, which on 4k can make a big difference. That and the dual 980's have a massive price markup, (similar to that of the Titan Z when it released at $3,000usd.)

With all said and done, I would still get the Titan Z, esp for 4k gaming, because the price and performance is considerable to the dual 980's, but has a lot more Vram which helps with aforementioned 4k gaming/content creation.

plowmannn · February 25, 2015

I would take the Titan Z, since you've got the cash to get one. Although, if it was me, I would get dual 295x2s for slightly less, and more performance. However, i am torn on that myself.

The titan Z offers a lot of Vram, 6gb per chip infact. The 4gb of vram on the 980 is good, but not great. Especially on a 4k monitor that will only use more and more vram over time. The performance difference between dual 980's and a Titan Z, is something like Dual 980s being about 10-15% faster. But, with 2 less gb of vram, which on 4k can make a big difference. That and the dual 980's have a massive price markup, (similar to that of the Titan Z when it released at $3,000usd.)

With all said and done, I would still get the Titan Z, esp for 4k gaming, because the price and performance is considerable to the dual 980's, but has a lot more Vram which helps with aforementioned 4k gaming/content creation.

hmm that clears a few things up thanks. I don't know about that case though, obviously this kind of build will need a fairly big one but that thing is HUGE also, would you go with the asus version of the card over all the others? because i know other places probably do it as well, because when it comes to these very high end cards i can't say I've looked at them much because up until now I've never been able to afford them hahah.

P.s sorry for so many questions.

February 25, 2015

Titan Z doesn't make any sense at all for gaming. If you want a card with lots of Vram then you can get 290X cards with 8GB.

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r9290xgaming8g

Atmos · February 25, 2015

Titan Z doesn't make any sense at all for gaming. If you want a card with lots of Vram then you can get 290X cards with 8GB.

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-r9290xgaming8g

The point of this build isnt to compromise with a less powerful card for pure vram. the 290X is very good, but only about 45% as fast as a Titan Z. If you have the money, and want to do what ever on 4k for the next 3 years or so, then there is no reason not to.

February 25, 2015

The point of this build isnt to compromise with a less powerful card for pure vram. the 290X is very good, but only about 45% as fast as a Titan Z. If you have the money, and want to do what ever on 4k for the next 3 years or so, then there is no reason not to.

Well I wouldn't run a 4K Monitor with a single R9 290X. My point is that you could go with the R9 295X2 or R9 290X Crossfire, and that would beat a Titan Z in most games for half the cost.

Atmos · February 25, 2015

Well I wouldn't run a 4K Monitor with a single R9 290X. My point is that you could go with the R9 295X2 or R9 290X Crossfire, and that would beat a Titan Z in most games for half the cost.

Dual 290X @ 8gb still fall just short of a Titan Z in most games. The 295x2 as well suffers from the same issue.

Once again, the Titan Z offers unparalleled performance, and reliability for years to come without a doubt.

February 25, 2015

Dual 290X @ 8gb still fall just short of a Titan Z in most games. The 295x2 as well suffers from the same issue.

Once again, the Titan Z offers unparalleled performance, and reliability for years to come without a doubt.

No you are wrong.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-TITAN-Z-Review

Atmos · February 25, 2015

No you are wrong.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-TITAN-Z-Review

Wrong in what way?

Futuremark reports that

The avg G3d mark of a single core on the Titan Z is 7864.

The avg G3d mark of a single core on the 295 is 7069.

The avg G3d mark of a single 290X is 6869.

Assuming perfect crossfire and perfect sli scaling,

the avg g3d scores are respectively,

Titan Z: 15728

295x2: 14138

290X: 13738

Now, that's with PERFECT scaling. No crossfire or SLI is perfect, however, cores on a single card have shown through most benchmarks to provide slightly better scaling. For the most powerful, single card solution, there is LITERALY nothing else than the Titan Z whether you think its a good deal or not, doesn't matter. Nothing I have said here is wrong, and a review that even freaking AGREES with me does nothing to help you.

February 25, 2015

Wrong in what way?

Futuremark reports that

The avg G3d mark of a single core on the Titan Z is 7864.

The avg G3d mark of a single core on the 295 is 7069.

The avg G3d mark of a single 290X is 6869.

Assuming perfect crossfire and perfect sli scaling,

the avg g3d scores are respectively,

Titan Z: 15728

295x2: 14138

290X: 13738

Now, that's with PERFECT scaling. No crossfire or SLI is perfect, however, cores on a single card have shown through most benchmarks to provide slightly better scaling. For the most powerful, single card solution, there is LITERALY nothing else than the Titan Z whether you think its a good deal or not, doesn't matter. Nothing I have said here is wrong, and a review that even freaking AGREES with me does nothing to help you.

The Titan Z isn't a single card though is it ? In the same way a R9 295X2 isn't a single card. They are both dual gpu cards.

Secondly that review I linked clearly shows that the R9 295X2 beats the Titan Z in virtually every situation. Did you even read the conclusion ?

And guess what ? It does it for half the price.

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