My First PC Build.

[DeathRtH]

Hello,

 

I've never actualy built a PC before and im having to do this on a budget, Approx 1,800USD (theres some extra room there if i can explain the parts) and im having trouble as this is my first home build. My only 2 PC's have been an old hand-me down and a storebought (both Emachines) and I want to do somthing right for gaming this time around.

 

So far what I have  (Mostly through newegg im not sure if theres any better place)

 

OS. Windows 7 Home Prem.

 

Case:  Rosewill Blackhawk-Ultra Gaming Super Tower

 

PSU: 850 Watt Corsair.

 

Processor: Intel i7 3820

 

Motherboard: Not sure on Compatability.

 

GPU: Nvidia GeForce 660 TI

 

RAM: G.Skills Ripjaws X Series 4GB x 4 (16GB)

 

Optical Drive: None i plan on using one of the spares i have as i dont use them much.

 

HDD: 64GB SSD

 

HDD2: 2TB SATA

 

 

This is my first build, and i will be trying to get these parts in the next couple of weeks.

 

Things im worried about, Motherboard and Processor, im not sure how to get the best bang for my buck so to speak, these builds are mostly based on iBuyPower/CyberPower builds which ive decided against do to reviews on quality. I dont plan on doing overclocking and that case comes with 8 Fans so i doubt ill have issues with that.

 

Plans for the machine. First of all I am working on going to college and my ultimate goal being Game Development, so I want a rig that can help me get started with at least be able to run more than a few programs at once without major lag. Second, I do play Minecraft alot, modded as is it nearly broke my machine running with about 60 of them. Third BF4/Skyrim and a few others I plan on getting before the end of the year. I would like to run this type of stuff but im not sure if it will work out that way.

 

Honestly i dont know to much about PC building, and I dont care if parts are changed out, tho i would like to stick with that case if possible, or at least that size for good ventilation. ( I plan on moving around alot so durability is a +. If anyone can help me with this build it would be greatly Appreciated, I've only been able to learn so much from my research (Like SSDs for OS and W7 for better compatibility. Larger cases for better cooling) so im basicly a beginner with this stuff and I want to make sure everything works together and I dont get a pile of stuff I cant use.

 

 

Sorry that im a newbie at this =\  and thank you to anyone that posts and help =]

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[felixbearpig]

i would advise not to getting a 2011 socket if its not at least a 3930k 

i would say a 3770 or 4770, k or non will serve you purpose and if not overclocking get a h77 for 1155(3770) or h87 for 1150(4770)

use the money you saves from not going 2011 get  better gpu

[BlackOutCrisis]

I would suggest dropping the i7 3820 and grabbing an i5 4670k with a MSI z87 gd65 gaming board. With the money you save there grab a MSI lightning 7970 or MSI twin frozr 7950 instead of 660ti. Also I would grab a corsair 500r instead of that rosewill, I personally think the 500r is better and looks better. Lastly what is the EXACT power supply you plan on getting because not call corsair PSU's are the same and you will only ever use like 50% of a 850 watt psu in a gpu setup. I suggest looking more towards the Seasonic Xseries x650w.

 

Edit* you don't have to have a giant fucking case for cooling. Good cable management and proper fan setup is all you need. I first recommended the 500r which is a great case but if you plan on moving around alot then you will seriously LOVE the corsair c70, it comes in black, military green, and white. It is all metal and has proper carrying handles.

^linus' review of the c70

[DeathRtH]

i would advise not to getting a 2011 socket if its not at least a 3930k 

i would say a 3770 or 4770, k or non will serve you purpose and if not overclocking get a h77 for 1155(3770) or h87 for 1150(4770)

I see a i7-4770k for 349USD vs a i7-3770 for 289USD , the 4770k being only slightly better in stats, considering my budget is it worth the extra 60$ to go for the 4770k over the 3770? Also looking at some builds on this site the prices seem cheaper than what ive seen is there any particular website anyone would recommend for buying Components?

[kierden]

I'd advise going for a 3770k or 3570k instead of that CPU mate, and get something like a Gigabyte Z77X-UP4 TH.

 

That PSU would likely be overkill, consider a Corsair CX600.

 

I'd would also pick up a CPU cooler such as a CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo.

 

:D

[felixbearpig]

I see a i7-4770k for 349USD vs a i7-3770 for 289USD , the 4770k being only slightly better in stats, considering my budget is it worth the extra 60$ to go for the 4770k over the 3770? Also looking at some builds on this site the prices seem cheaper than what ive seen is there any particular website anyone would recommend for buying Components?

 

 

4770 non K is 319, since you said you didnt want to overclock. and for US i would say ncix us or newegg which ever is cheaper, and only go 1150 if you want bleed edge.... with that said ivy brigde (3770) is almost the same as 4770 expect for more natvie sata 3 port and more native usb3 

[DeathRtH]

I would suggest dropping the i7 3820 and grabbing an i5 4670k with a MSI z87 gd65 gaming board. With the money you save there grab a MSI lightning 7970 or MSI twin frozr 7950 instead of 660ti. Also I would grab a corsair 500r instead of that rosewill, I personally think the 500r is better and looks better. Lastly what is the EXACT power supply you plan on getting because not call corsair PSU's are the same and you will only ever use like 50% of a 850 watt psu in a gpu setup. I suggest looking more towards the Seasonic Xseries x650w.

 

 

well im kind of Dead set on i7 as it stands, and 7970 is an AMD if im correct isnt it, im a big fan of Intel/Nvidia even tho its a bit higher price i feel theres more support for Nvidia, as for the power supply im not sure on the exact one i had my bookmarks are being a pain, but ill go assuming that i picked a bad one, i went with a larger PSU tho for easier upgrades, which is why i might switch to a 2x8GB for 16GB of ram to make that easier, as for the case im dead set on a Full/Super tower size because one of the places i will be using this has no AC and has a PC room that can reach 105 Degrees in the summer easily, so i want to feel safe using it in that enviroment, and the Super towers have the larger fan compatability as well as having the nice bonus of  being easier to upgrade which is important to me.

[TheArium]

Where do you live?

 

If you are "only" planning on gaming, I would get an i5 processor instead of an i7. A good i5 will perform just as well in a gaming scenario. If you are not planning on overclocking, there is really no point in getting a K processor either. Perhaps an i5-3570 is the route to go? It uses the LGA1155 socket.

 

As the others said, use the money you save on the CPU to get a better GPU. Perhaps one of the new 700-series from Nvidia, though I don't know about cost and availability. I think you can manage with a smaller PSU as well.

[DeathRtH]

4770 non K is 319, since you said you didnt want to overclock. and for US i would say ncix us or newegg which ever is cheaper, and only go 1150 if you want bleed edge.... with that said ivy brigde (3770) is almost the same as 4770 expect for more natvie sata 3 port and more native usb3 

ah thanks i didnt see that non k version , and i do plan on using the USB 3.0 alot more so i guess that would be a better choice for me ( im also getting a laptop so ill be transferring alot of data between this PC and the Laptop) 

[DeathRtH]

Where do you live?

 

If you are "only" planning on gaming, I would get an i5 processor instead of an i7. A good i5 will perform just as well in a gaming scenario. If you are not planning on overclocking, there is really no point in getting a K processor either. Perhaps an i5-3570 is the route to go? It uses the LGA1155 socket.

 

As the others said, use the money you save on the CPU to get a better GPU. Perhaps one of the new 700-series from Nvidia, though I don't know about cost and availability. I think you can manage with a smaller PSU as well.

 

Edit: I live in Oregon. cold most of the year but summers have been killing my current (although ancient) pc

 

 

Yah i was thinking about the 700 Series, as for the gaming, i plan on doing alot of ,multitasking for making mods for, well anygame i play that has an SDK , so ill likely be running Photoshop/an SDK/ a game a browser and more so wouldn't it be safer to go with the i7for the extra processing power for multitasking?

[BlackOutCrisis]

well im kind of Dead set on i7 as it stands, and 7970 is an AMD if im correct isnt it, im a big fan of Intel/Nvidia even tho its a bit higher price i feel theres more support for Nvidia, as for the power supply im not sure on the exact one i had my bookmarks are being a pain, but ill go assuming that i picked a bad one, i went with a larger PSU tho for easier upgrades, which is why i might switch to a 2x8GB for 16GB of ram to make that easier, as for the case im dead set on a Full/Super tower size because one of the places i will be using this has no AC and has a PC room that can reach 105 Degrees in the summer easily, so i want to feel safe using it in that enviroment, and the Super towers have the larger fan compatability as well as having the nice bonus of  being easier to upgrade which is important to me.

I'm not going to waste my time on correcting you because it is obviously a waste of time, all I have to say is have fun carrying around a almost 40 pound case BEFORE you have your parts in it. Will easily be 50pounds or more with everything in it. Might want to start doing push ups bruh.

[TheArium]

Edit: I live in Oregon. cold most of the year but summers have been killing my current (although ancient) pc

 

 

Yah i was thinking about the 700 Series, as for the gaming, i plan on doing alot of ,multitasking for making mods for, well anygame i play that has an SDK , so ill likely be running Photoshop/an SDK/ a game a browser and more so wouldn't it be safer to go with the i7for the extra processing power for multitasking?

 

To be honest I have no experience with the tasks you are mentioning so my guess is as good as yours, but it does sound like you'll need some processing power so perhaps an i7 isn't as bad a choice after all. :)

[DeathRtH]

I'm not going to waste my time on correcting you because it is obviously a waste of time, all I have to say is have fun carrying around a almost 40 pound case BEFORE you have your parts in it. Will easily be 50pounds or more with everything in it. Might want to start doing push ups bruh.

ive already thought of that, as is i already carry around about 70 Lb's in stuff (Xbox cables controllers headphones a monitor my current PC and more but most likely this PC will only be moved once a month or so, since i plan on getting a laptop,  i didnt mean to be a pain and im sorry about that im going of more or less, requirements that have been set for me 

[BlackOutCrisis]

ive already thought of that, as is i already carry around about 70 Lb's in stuff (Xbox cables controllers headphones a monitor my current PC and more but most likely this PC will only be moved once a month or so, since i plan on getting a laptop,  i didnt mean to be a pain and im sorry about that im going of more or less, requirements that have been set for me 

Well when I tell you that you won't notice a difference in cooling between a good mid tower and a full tower I mean it, If you have proper cable management and fan setup (just like you should in a full tower) then there will not be any difference. Also AMD has just as much support as nvidia, also adobe and other programs are also going to have full support for opencl so there really is no point in getting a slower nvidia card just for the name. And the i5/i7 thing if you don't plan on overclocking then like everyone else said grab a non "K" version like the 4670 or 4770, but you will NOT notice a difference between them just doing game design and casual photoshop, when people recommend the i7 series for people who do graphics design and such they seriously mean like hardcore fortune 500/mega companies and shit like the movie avatar. And even then guys like that build workstation builds and use nvidia quadro series GPU's. Just for proof, I stream BF3 at ULTRA/max settings with my i5 3570k and AMD 7950 at Vsync'd 60fps constant in 720p/45fps/4k bitrate and I only use about 75%-80% of my CPU.

[DeathRtH]

Well when I tell you that you won't notice a difference in cooling between a good mid tower and a full tower I mean it, If you have proper cable management and fan setup (just like you should in a full tower) then there will not be any difference. Also AMD has just as much support as nvidia, also adobe and other programs are also going to have full support for opencl so there really is no point in getting a slower nvidia card just for the name. And the i5/i7 thing if you don't plan on overclocking then like everyone else said grab a non "K" version like the 4670 or 4770, but you will NOT notice a difference between them just doing game design and casual photoshop, when people recommend the i7 series for people who do graphics design and such they seriously mean like hardcore fortune 500/mega companies and shit like the movie avatar. And even then guys like that build workstation builds and use nvidia quadro series GPU's. Just for proof, I stream BF3 at ULTRA/max settings with my i5 3570k and AMD 7950 at Vsync'd 60fps constant in 720p/45fps/4k bitrate and I only use about 75%-80% of my CPU.

tbh most of what ive read about cases, people say personal prefrence anyways, so lets just not bother with it its somthing im set on and im sure neither of us want to argue about whats best if its mainly a personal preference choice, as for the processor im not sure on how/if you can upgrade processors after building a pc and even then id rather have somthing i dont need to worry about til like 2016, but ill look more into the i5 speeds if need be, as for amd i recently saw my uncle go through a major issue with an amd card which is why i make this choice, tho i have been considering looking into them, so ill look uyp reviews on those cards before i say comment on them, for now ill be back in about half an hr

[DeathRtH]

Just for proof, I stream BF3 at ULTRA/max settings with my i5 3570k and AMD 7950 at Vsync'd 60fps constant in 720p/45fps/4k bitrate and I only use about 75%-80% of my CPU.

Is that with other programs and/or using boosting software like Gamebooster or Advanced System care, overclocked? also, i plan on running a 1920x1080 Display most of the time with it, would that impact the performance much? also is there any sites that do side by side comparisons of AMD and NVidia GPU's? i know AMD is by far more affordable but my knowledge is for NVidia so i wouldnt know where to start on amd stuff, also, my friend has, nearly the same system except with a 3570 Non K, and Skyrim, max settings with mods seems to hit his Rig hard, would there be any way to avoid that by going with a better GPU?

[DeathRtH]

I'd advise going for a 3770k or 3570k instead of that CPU mate, and get something like a Gigabyte Z77X-UP4 TH.

 

That PSU would likely be overkill, consider a Corsair CX600.

 

I'd would also pick up a CPU cooler such as a CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo.

 

:D

 

Awesome i found a website that finds better prices, and that Coolermaster is better than what i was expecting for that pricerange, as for the MotherBoard im basicly stuck on what one is best out of these, or if i messed up somewhere

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007627%20600093976%20600009018&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=REVIEWS&PageSize=50#

 

 

Current build ive assembled

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/14kXw

 

(im selecting PSU last as.. idk just seems easier)

 

also, im planning on getting an External HDD, for transfering between my PC's, is there any somebody would recommend

im looking in the 250GB-500GB capacity range for under 90$

 

 

(also i found out that rosewill case comes with wheels so there goes most issues with transportation)

[tk421]

well im kind of Dead set on i7 as it stands, and 7970 is an AMD if im correct isnt it, im a big fan of Intel/Nvidia even tho its a bit higher price i feel theres more support for Nvidia, as for the power supply im not sure on the exact one i had my bookmarks are being a pain, but ill go assuming that i picked a bad one, i went with a larger PSU tho for easier upgrades, which is why i might switch to a 2x8GB for 16GB of ram to make that easier, as for the case im dead set on a Full/Super tower size because one of the places i will be using this has no AC and has a PC room that can reach 105 Degrees in the summer easily, so i want to feel safe using it in that enviroment, and the Super towers have the larger fan compatability as well as having the nice bonus of  being easier to upgrade which is important to me.

 

First of all, unless you are doing phase change cooling or something insane like that, you CANNOT get below the ambient temperature of the room.  It would defy the laws of physics.  You'll just be cooling it with the already warm air.  As long as your case has adequate cooling and you're not trying to overclock in those temperatures, you'll be fine.  Seriously though, you don't need a case that big unless you like the asthetics.  Case cooling doesn't scale.  We're just trying to help you here.  My advice would be to try and lower the ambient temperature of the room instead of using "fan options" as a way of dealing with the heat.  (Maybe buy a window A/C unit, etc.)

[DeathRtH]

First of all, unless you are doing phase change cooling or something insane like that, you CANNOT get below the ambient temperature of the room.  It would defy the laws of physics.  You'll just be cooling it with the already warm air.  As long as your case has adequate cooling and you're not trying to overclock in those temperatures, you'll be fine.  Seriously though, you don't need a case that big unless you like the asthetics.  Case cooling doesn't scale.  We're just trying to help you here.  My advice would be to try and lower the ambient temperature of the room instead of using "fan options" as a way of dealing with the heat.  (Maybe buy a window A/C unit, etc.)

Actually do like the aesthetics, plus ive upgraded my current PC (EMachines T5048) with Ram, vid card. and and was a pain to get in the case, so i like the look of the case, and the idea of having extra room, since this is my first build im trying to do it to the best of what ive wanted in a PC, sadly the case is black not white but i can live with that considering it has wheels lol

 

anyways ive completed the build, for less than i thought it would be, so i have extra for a monitor, just hoping that it gets approved and purchased by the person in charge of mah funds.

 

one thing i am wondering case wise, Dual PSU support on this case, would that allow me to say, run fans and LED's off another PSU? (Probably wouldnt be that useful just an idea i had)

 

also thanks i thought the room temp might affect the PC negativley, my current PC has had issues of getting near the 80Degrees Celsius range and i was worried with a rig like this the summer might kill it.

 

Link to the rig: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/DeathRtH/saved/1Jp5

 

Honestly better than what i wanted for that price, but should i up to a Nvidia Geforce GTX 780? my uncle was telling me that theres a massive differnce between 770 and 780 but i wasnt sure if its worth the fairly large price difference.

[tk421]

Actually do like the aesthetics, plus ive upgraded my current PC (EMachines T5048) with Ram, vid card. and and was a pain to get in the case, so i like the look of the case, and the idea of having extra room, since this is my first build im trying to do it to the best of what ive wanted in a PC, sadly the case is black not white but i can live with that considering it has wheels lol

 

anyways ive completed the build, for less than i thought it would be, so i have extra for a monitor, just hoping that it gets approved and purchased by the person in charge of mah funds.

 

one thing i am wondering case wise, Dual PSU support on this case, would that allow me to say, run fans and LED's off another PSU? (Probably wouldnt be that useful just an idea i had)

 

also thanks i thought the room temp might affect the PC negativley, my current PC has had issues of getting near the 80Degrees Celsius range and i was worried with a rig like this the summer might kill it.

 

Link to the rig: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/DeathRtH/saved/1Jp5

 

Honestly better than what i wanted for that price, but should i up to a Nvidia Geforce GTX 780? my uncle was telling me that theres a massive differnce between 770 and 780 but i wasnt sure if its worth the fairly large price difference.

 

Unless your build is so extreme that it demands two PSUs, you should really only go with one.  It's a big waste and hassle to try and do two PSUs with most builds.  There is a large price difference between a 770 and 780 but also a big performance difference at the moment.  This might be fixed later on by drivers but at the moment, if you can afford the 780, and MOST IMPROTANTLY can actually USE the extra horsepower, then get the 780.  I doubt I could actually utilize all of the power, but maybe you can...

[DeathRtH]

Unless your build is so extreme that it demands two PSUs, you should really only go with one.  It's a big waste and hassle to try and do two PSUs with most builds.  There is a large price difference between a 770 and 780 but also a big performance difference at the moment.  This might be fixed later on by drivers but at the moment, if you can afford the 780, and MOST IMPROTANTLY can actually USE the extra horsepower, then get the 780.  I doubt I could actually utilize all of the power, but maybe you can...

 

If theres a way i will =D as is my first goal is to Play vindictus with max settings (Source Engine MMO) while hosting without lag, as is ive seen dual cores that cry in a corner trying to do that, not to mention ill want to play BF4 on max settings if i can XD, my budget was 1800 tho so with the current price i can put it in if it gets denied i can go back to the 770 :|

 

one thing im worried about is cables, is there anything thats obvious that ill need to buy for this rig that wont be included with the parts? (other than Zip-ties for the wiring) I hate suprises when it comes to technology.

[tk421]

If theres a way i will =D as is my first goal is to Play vindictus with max settings (Source Engine MMO) while hosting without lag, as is ive seen dual cores that cry in a corner trying to do that, not to mention ill want to play BF4 on max settings if i can XD, my budget was 1800 tho so with the current price i can put it in if it gets denied i can go back to the 770 :|

 

one thing im worried about is cables, is there anything thats obvious that ill need to buy for this rig that wont be included with the parts? (other than Zip-ties for the wiring) I hate suprises when it comes to technology.

 

Since your case is so large you might want to consider how long your PSU cables are.  Some PSUs might have trouble reaching the supplemental CPU power connector.  Also, your fans and SATA devices need adequeate lenth to reach.  Other than zip ties, the onlyother thing you'll need for good cable management is patience.

[DeathRtH]

Since your case is so large you might want to consider how long your PSU cables are.  Some PSUs might have trouble reaching the supplemental CPU power connector.  Also, your fans and SATA devices need adequeate lenth to reach.  Other than zip ties, the onlyother thing you'll need for good cable management is patience.

ah thanks, ill have to look into extenders just in case. and i hope i have patience, my PC was a brick from the moment it was purchased like any emachines, but luckily im getting an i7 Laptop with 16GB of ram and a 630M video card to tide me over so i dont snap from the waiting for all the parts of the Desktop

[VVR4ITH]

For your purposes, your build is way overkill.

 

Post a budget, your zip code, and when you intend on buying.

[DeathRtH]

For your purposes, your build is way overkill.

 

Post a budget, your zip code, and when you intend on buying.

1800 - 97302 - ASAP, and I know a future proof build is impossible but im trying to make A PC that will hold up for as long as possible.