Not Enough Fan Headers!

[NeoRyZen]

Hey there, its my first time posting here.. i have recently been struggling with my processor temps and to my surprise my AIO liquid cooler is really trash so my plan is that i will add 2 more high performance fans and call it a day i'm doing this because my idle temps are 50-55c on avg which is high considering its a R5 and a liquid cooler where my brother's system has a msi 240mm aio and he is using R5 5600x and getting 35c on idle.

some context: My AIO Cooler Master ML240 Illusion has pretty slow fans(MF 120 Halo) and i have ordered 2 Arctitc P12 Max to run them in a Push-Pull Config (yes i know 240mm aio is not worth it anyways but i am stuck with it) right now the cooler is sealed pack brand new from a RMA and i am waiting for the fans to arrive.

Specs: Asus Prime B450M-A, Ryzen 5 3600XT, 16gb Corsair Venegance RGB RS, Deepcool CG530 4F Case

my problem is that my motherboard only has 3 fan headers and one of them is being taken by my case fan controller, and now with the extra 2 fans which are high rpm from the stock cooler fans i don't want them to run slow from a Y-Splitter or break the stock fans from high voltage...

what's my solution here? i have an extra 4pin fan splitter laying around

Fan Specs:
MF120 Halo: 650-1800 RPM 47.2 CFM
P12 Max: 200–3300 RPM 81.0 CFM

 

I'm also attaching some pictures of the cooler and my PC (Note: the pc pic has the cooler installed before RMA)

[Poinkachu]

15 minutes ago, NeoRyZen said:

Hey there, its my first time posting here.. i have recently been struggling with my processor temps and to my surprise my AIO liquid cooler is really trash so my plan is that i will add 2 more high performance fans and call it a day i'm doing this because my idle temps are 50-55c on avg which is high considering its a R5 and a liquid cooler where my brother's system has a msi 240mm aio and he is using R5 5600x and getting 35c on idle.

some context: My AIO Cooler Master ML240 Illusion has pretty slow fans(MF 120 Halo) and i have ordered 2 Arctitc P12 Max to run them in a Push-Pull Config (yes i know 240mm aio is not worth it anyways but i am stuck with it) right now the cooler is sealed pack brand new from a RMA and i am waiting for the fans to arrive.

Specs: Asus Prime B450M-A, Ryzen 5 3600XT, 16gb Corsair Venegance RGB RS, Deepcool CG530 4F Case

my problem is that my motherboard only has 3 fan headers and one of them is being taken by my case fan controller, and now with the extra 2 fans which are high rpm from the stock cooler fans i don't want them to run slow from a Y-Splitter or break the stock fans from high voltage...

what's my solution here? i have an extra 4pin fan splitter laying around

Fan Specs:
MF120 Halo: 650-1800 RPM 47.2 CFM
P12 Max: 200–3300 RPM 81.0 CFM

 

I'm also attaching some pictures of the cooler and my PC (Note: the pc pic has the cooler installed before RMA)

Options :
1. Splitter cable

2. Fan hub

 

Pick your poison

Whichever you picked :
If you plan on putting all 4 on the same header, use the slower fan as reference point.

[NeoRyZen]

32 minutes ago, Poinkachu said:

Options :
1. Splitter cable

2. Fan hub

 

Pick your poison

Whichever you picked :
If you plan on putting all 4 on the same header, use the slower fan as reference point.

can you explain a bit please? i am not too smart on these kinds of things

[jaslion]

12 minutes ago, NeoRyZen said:

can you explain a bit please? i am not too smart on these kinds of things

The hub and splitters communicate one fans speed to the board. So its adviced to put the slowest one as fan nr 1.

 

A splitter or hub is like 10$ on amazon. If its not externally powered MAX 5  fans per header. Since you have rgb fans id do max 4

[NeoRyZen]

44 minutes ago, jaslion said:

The hub and splitters communicate one fans speed to the board. So its adviced to put the slowest one as fan nr 1.

 

A splitter or hub is like 10$ on amazon. If its not externally powered MAX 5  fans per header. Since you have rgb fans id do max 4

hey there! i think you got it wrong, ignore the case fans my problem is that i have ordered 2 3000rpm fans for my aio and i want to use both the stock aio fans and the new fans, my problem is that due to the speed difference i am stuck with less fan headers and as far as i heard that running different speed fans on one splitter can cause the slower fans to spin faster than limit and cause damage.. thats the thing i want to solve

[ki8aras]

4 minutes ago, NeoRyZen said:

hey there! i think you got it wrong, ignore the case fans my problem is that i have ordered 2 3000rpm fans for my aio and i want to use both the stock aio fans and the new fans, my problem is that due to the speed difference i am stuck with less fan headers and as far as i heard that running different speed fans on one splitter can cause the slower fans to spin faster than limit and cause damage.. thats the thing i want to solve

the way fan splitters work, is they use one of the fans as a reference (youll see that one of the female fan connectors has an extra pin) and they apply that setting to all the other fans connected to it, so if you use one of the slower fans as the reference one, the 3000 rpm ones will run at the lower speed, and vice versa

btw, your high idle temp points to misconfiguration in the pump speed of the aio, go in the bios and set it to run at max speed all the time, and see if the temps improve before doing anything else

[NeoRyZen]

3 minutes ago, ki8aras said:

the way fan splitters work, is they use one of the fans as a reference (youll see that one of the female fan connectors has an extra pin) and they apply that setting to all the other fans connected to it, so if you use one of the slower fans as the reference one, the 3000 rpm ones will run at the lower speed, and vice versa

btw, your high idle temp points to misconfiguration in the pump speed of the aio, go in the bios and set it to run at max speed all the time, and see if the temps improve before doing anything else

hey, the pump runs at full speed all the time its a DC pump (2.3k rpm) even after that i get those temps.. i have tried every solution but the best i got was 50 idle (without using any apps) besides that i have one idea that i could just connect the high speed fans directly to the motherboard and connect the included aio fans which are 1600rpm anyways to the connector that has the case fan controller and using the splitter on it i will connect the case fans with that way i think i will be able to solve this problem because my case fans are 1600rpm anyways

[ki8aras]

Just now, NeoRyZen said:

besides that i have one idea that i could just connect the high speed fans directly to the motherboard and connect the included aio fans which are 1600rpm anyways to the connector that has the case fan controller and using the splitter on it i will connect the case fans with that way i think i will be able to solve this problem because my case fans are 1600rpm anyways

this would be better in the long term, as running many high performance fans off of a single fan headed isnt exactly recommended

[NeoRyZen]

3 minutes ago, ki8aras said:

this would be better in the long term, as running many high performance fans off of a single fan headed isnt exactly recommended

yes i can understand what you are saying, but i don't have any choice for now and besides i will change my motherboard soon anyways and don't worry the case fans are connected to a included fan hub that came with my case and its powered by a sata cable.. so i think i will be good to go? 2 arctic fans are fine on a single 4 pin motherboard header right?

[ki8aras]

2 minutes ago, NeoRyZen said:

yes i can understand what you are saying, but i don't have any choice for now and besides i will change my motherboard soon anyways and don't worry the case fans are connected to a included fan hub that came with my case and its powered by a sata cable.. so i think i will be good to go? 2 arctic fans are fine on a single 4 pin motherboard header right?

yup, although theyre unlikely to help with idle temps, i could be wrong tho

[jaslion]

29 minutes ago, NeoRyZen said:

to use both the stock aio fans and the new fans,

Oh I dont recommend that. If you havw 2 different fans working on an aio in push pull the performance will go down as one will give problems for the other.

 

30 minutes ago, NeoRyZen said:

running different speed fans on one splitter can cause the slower fans to spin faster than limit and cause damage.. thats the thing i want to solve

You can solve this by going from pwm to dc power control. Then all fans will spin at a speed determined by voltage. Since all fans are 12v fans it means they will all be properly regulated and you will not experience problems.

 

Any reason to change the board? Seems like a waste of money by a long shot and could be much better spent on a hardware upgrade as whilst the board is low end its fine really.

 

The ml series has been just about the lowest end of aio's for like a decade. They suck pretty bad compared to budget air coolers. Their included fans are garbage too.

 

Also if full load temps are under 95c dont worry about it at all.

 

If you want to improve cooling take off the ml fans, have the arctic as INTAKE (push or pull dont matter) and call it good. The ml fans will be in the way of the arctic fans and prevent better cooling.

 

 

[NeoRyZen]

34 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Oh I dont recommend that. If you havw 2 different fans working on an aio in push pull the performance will go down as one will give problems for the other.

 

You can solve this by going from pwm to dc power control. Then all fans will spin at a speed determined by voltage. Since all fans are 12v fans it means they will all be properly regulated and you will not experience problems.

 

Any reason to change the board? Seems like a waste of money by a long shot and could be much better spent on a hardware upgrade as whilst the board is low end its fine really.

 

The ml series has been just about the lowest end of aio's for like a decade. They suck pretty bad compared to budget air coolers. Their included fans are garbage too.

 

Also if full load temps are under 95c dont worry about it at all.

 

If you want to improve cooling take off the ml fans, have the arctic as INTAKE (push or pull dont matter) and call it good. The ml fans will be in the way of the arctic fans and prevent better cooling.

 

 

im planning to go am5 since i need more performance tbh.. and i'll test what is the best config thanks for the help!

 

[Poinkachu]

Me, I'd just take off the stock fans, and slap the arctics on the rad & see if doing that alone already enough. Like what @jaslion said.
Most likely it will be enough.

I'm cooling my 5900x with a 240mm corsair with stock fan even :x

My old case sucks, can't accept 280mm as exhaust.

[NeoRyZen]

15 hours ago, Poinkachu said:

Me, I'd just take off the stock fans, and slap the arctics on the rad & see if doing that alone already enough. Like what @jaslion said.
Most likely it will be enough.

I'm cooling my 5900x with a 240mm corsair with stock fan even :x

My old case sucks, can't accept 280mm as exhaust.

yes i can do that.. but you know... originally i bought the cooler for its looks... and i guess it backfired on me lets see tomorrow i will receive the 2nd fan i got one just now

[NeoRyZen]

17 hours ago, jaslion said:

Oh I dont recommend that. If you havw 2 different fans working on an aio in push pull the performance will go down as one will give problems for the other.

 

You can solve this by going from pwm to dc power control. Then all fans will spin at a speed determined by voltage. Since all fans are 12v fans it means they will all be properly regulated and you will not experience problems.

 

Any reason to change the board? Seems like a waste of money by a long shot and could be much better spent on a hardware upgrade as whilst the board is low end its fine really.

 

The ml series has been just about the lowest end of aio's for like a decade. They suck pretty bad compared to budget air coolers. Their included fans are garbage too.

 

Also if full load temps are under 95c dont worry about it at all.

 

If you want to improve cooling take off the ml fans, have the arctic as INTAKE (push or pull dont matter) and call it good. The ml fans will be in the way of the arctic fans and prevent better cooling.

 

 

also intake? i am mounting the rad on top so it should be exhaust right? like hot air rises from bottom to top? anyways lets see how it turns out

[Poinkachu]

3 hours ago, NeoRyZen said:

also intake? i am mounting the rad on top so it should be exhaust right? like hot air rises from bottom to top? anyways lets see how it turns out

Putting the AIO as intake at the front of the case will make it better at cooling the CPU, because it will use fresh air to cool the rads.

Putting it as exhaust means it will cool the rad using not-so-fresh (warm) air inside the pc case.