Future Gaming/Work Build Help

[Phizix]

Budget (including currency): Around £4500

Country: United Kingdom

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: AAA Gaming (inc Flight Sim), Music Production, Penetration Testing

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

Hi all,

 

I'm planning to build one of two machines in the next couple of months. As my workplace is contributing to part of the budget, I’ve decided to invest a bit more with the hope of future-proofing the system for several years (I know, I’m probably kidding myself!). I’m considering either a full ATX build or a more compact M-ITX build. Below are my current thoughts and component choices. I would appreciate any feedback, particularly if you foresee any potential issues or have suggestions for better components.

ATX Build:

• Case: Fractal Design Torrent Black RGB Light Tint Windowed PC Gaming Case
• Motherboard: Gigabyte AMD X670E AORUS MASTER
• CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D
• CPU Cooler: Corsair iCUE H150i RGB ELITE 360mm Intel/AMD CPU Liquid Cooler
• RAM: Corsair DOMINATOR Titanium RGB Black 64GB 6400MHz DDR5 Memory Kit
• GPU: Gigabyte NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 24GB WINDFORCE V2 Ada Lovelace Graphics Card
• PSU: Seasonic Prime TX1000
• Monitor: ASUS 48" 4K Ultra HD 138Hz G-SYNC Compatible OLED HDR Gaming Monitor

M-ITX Build:

• Case: Cooler Master NR200P V2 MAX Mini-ITX Tower SFF PC Case with 280mm AIO Cooler & 850W Gold PSU
• Motherboard: Gigabyte AMD B650I AORUS ULTRA Mini-ITX Motherboard
• CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D
• RAM: Corsair DOMINATOR Titanium RGB Black 64GB 6400MHz DDR5 Memory Kit
• GPU: Gigabyte NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 24GB WINDFORCE V2 Ada Lovelace Graphics Card
• Monitor: ASUS 48" 4K Ultra HD 138Hz G-SYNC Compatible OLED HDR Gaming Monitor

Storage: This will be transferred from my current machine; compatibility has already been verified.

 

I should note that I’m not opposed to an Intel CPU. I’ve also been considering the 14900KF as an option. Although I’ve always been an Intel user, I’m curious to see what AMD has to offer.

 

Any help or advice you can provide will of course be greatly appreciated! 

 

 

[Tetras]

29 minutes ago, Phizix said:

I should note that I’m not opposed to an Intel CPU. I’ve also been considering the 14900KF as an option. Although I’ve always been an Intel user, I’m curious to see what AMD has to offer.

Will the system(s) be replaced before the extended warranty (5 years) on K CPUs expires?

 

29 minutes ago, Phizix said:

Penetration Testing

What does this involve, I mean, in terms of CPU/GPU/RAM demands?

 

Does anything that you do use AVX512?

 

30 minutes ago, Phizix said:

RAM: Corsair DOMINATOR Titanium RGB Black 64GB 6400MHz DDR5 Memory Kit

Are you are aware that: X3D CPUs are not very sensitive to memory speed and 64GB 6400 may not work "out of the box" with an AM5 CPU?

[Phizix]

39 minutes ago, Tetras said:

Will the system(s) be replaced before the extended warranty (5 years) on K CPUs expires?

To be fair I'm not sure, although I doubt it. Given the money that is being put into this, I'll be looking to keep it going as long as is realistically possible. 

 

39 minutes ago, Tetras said:

What does this involve, I mean, in terms of CPU/GPU/RAM demands?

There will likely be high demands on both CPU & GPU due to doing password cracking/hash cracking as well as programming.

 

39 minutes ago, Tetras said:

Does anything that you do use AVX512?

Honestly, this is the first I've heard of it. I've had a quick scout about through Google and I don't believe so. 

 

39 minutes ago, Tetras said:

Are you are aware that: X3D CPUs are not very sensitive to memory speed and 64GB 6400 may not work "out of the box" with an AM5 CPU?

I was not aware of this, but I can lower the memory speed if required. Will likely save a bit of cash!

 

[Tetras]

4 minutes ago, Phizix said:

To be fair I'm not sure, although I doubt it. Given the money that is being put into this, I'll be looking to keep it going as long as is realistically possible. 

In that case, I'd be very reluctant to buy an Intel 13th-14th gen CPU.

 

The problems might be fixed by the microcode updates, but we still don't know if there will be any consequences long-term and if you can safely expect these CPUs to last 10+ years like previous CPUs have.

 

6 minutes ago, Phizix said:

There will likely be high demands on both CPU & GPU due to doing password cracking/hash cracking as well as programming.

 

Honestly, this is the first I've heard of it. I've had a quick scout about through Google and I don't believe so. 

If you can do some more research I'd recommend it, because in some workloads that are optimised for it the 9900X/9950X smash the 7000 series and Intel 14th gen CPUs. Phoronix have some benchmarks that might be relevant to you here. Though, there would be trade offs with the gaming performance if you switched.

 

10 minutes ago, Phizix said:

I was not aware of this, but I can lower the memory speed if required. Will likely save a bit of cash!

If you can read up a bit on OC forums it might help you get updated on what current CPUs are capable of (since Ryzen's IMCs will have improved over time, they certainly did with AM4), but yeah, most kits above 6000 are optimised for Intel & use XMP rather than AMD & use EXPO.

 

32GB sticks are dual rank which adds to the load on the memory controller. AMD's specs say you should hit 5600 with a 9000 or 5200 with a 7000 CPU, though they also suggested low latency 6000 was optimal for the 7000 series CPUs which is technically beyond their official spec.