New build

[FunkyPanda]

Thanks in advance for any input!

Budget (including currency): $2000ish USD

Country: US

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: GW2 (old cpu heavy mmo), spreadsheets and zoom calls, audio projects. I'd like to try to actually play AAA games on 1440p with this.

Other details 

I had planned a build a couple years ago but stuff happened and I never got around to it.

Currently running 7th gen Intel and a 1070. Some games are laggy occasionally.

I'm looking into getting a 1440p monitor in addition to my current 1080p monitor. Both would be 27in.

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GT9hN6

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($249.98 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  ($119.95 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($209.00 @ MSI) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($102.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($154.99 @ Walmart) 
Video Card: Asus DUAL OC GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card  ($599.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 600 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.90 @ Newegg Sellers) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($149.99 @ Amazon) 
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer  ($54.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: Dell G2724D 27.0" 2560 x 1440 165 Hz Monitor  ($199.99 @ Dell Technologies) 
Total: $1941.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-15 12:01 EDT-0400

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GT9hN6

 

 

-The processor and graphics card seemed like my best price to performance in my opinion. I like the cores from i7 compared to i5. Honestly anything is an upgrade from 7th gen i7. Didn't see much use in going 13th/14th gen or i9.

-850W Power supply leaves room for upgradability.

-The RAM should fit near the Noctua cooler.
 

- I'm kinda stuck on getting the blu-ray player but I'm not sure how much the BeQuiet case kills airflow in order to have the front bay.

Otherwise I was gonna go for the Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nL7v6h/fractal-design-meshify-c-tg-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-mesh-c-bko-tgl

I used the Phanteks Enthroo Pro on a build for someone else but that thing's too huge for my taste.

I'm trying to avoid getting a separate Blu-ray player and keep it all in one system for less desk space.

- My other issue is that I'm not sure how to compare motherboards. I'd like to know I'm paying for a reliable board, but I'm not sure what the requirements are on power delivery. I was bouncing between similarly priced mobo's from MSI.

 

[Agall]

20 minutes ago, FunkyPanda said:

Thanks in advance for any input!

Budget (including currency): $2000ish USD

Country: US

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: GW2 (old cpu heavy mmo), spreadsheets and zoom calls, audio projects. I'd like to try to actually play AAA games on 1440p with this.

Other details 

I had planned a build a couple years ago but stuff happened and I never got around to it.

Currently running 7th gen Intel and a 1070. Some games are laggy occasionally.

I'm looking into getting a 1440p monitor in addition to my current 1080p monitor. Both would be 27in.

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GT9hN6

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($249.98 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  ($119.95 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($209.00 @ MSI) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($102.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($154.99 @ Walmart) 
Video Card: Asus DUAL OC GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card  ($599.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 600 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.90 @ Newegg Sellers) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($149.99 @ Amazon) 
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer  ($54.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: Dell G2724D 27.0" 2560 x 1440 165 Hz Monitor  ($199.99 @ Dell Technologies) 
Total: $1941.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-15 12:01 EDT-0400

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GT9hN6

 

 

-The processor and graphics card seemed like my best price to performance in my opinion. I like the cores from i7 compared to i5. Honestly anything is an upgrade from 7th gen i7. Didn't see much use in going 13th/14th gen or i9.

-850W Power supply leaves room for upgradability.

-The RAM should fit near the Noctua cooler.
 

- I'm kinda stuck on getting the blu-ray player but I'm not sure how much the BeQuiet case kills airflow in order to have the front bay.

Otherwise I was gonna go for the Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nL7v6h/fractal-design-meshify-c-tg-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-mesh-c-bko-tgl

I used the Phanteks Enthroo Pro on a build for someone else but that thing's too huge for my taste.

I'm trying to avoid getting a separate Blu-ray player and keep it all in one system for less desk space.

- My other issue is that I'm not sure how to compare motherboards. I'd like to know I'm paying for a reliable board, but I'm not sure what the requirements are on power delivery. I was bouncing between similarly priced mobo's from MSI.

 

I'd spend the bit extra to jump to the 14600k. The new API that Intel created that allows games to properly use the hybrid architecture is gated behind 14th gen. You're also getting a decent amount better single and multithreading performance jumping to the 14600k.

 

NH-D15 is great and all (I use one) but I'd simply go with a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE instead. Save like $80 that you can put towards the 14600k.

 

Being in the US, 100% buy the RTX 4070 Super Founder's Edition from Best Buy instead of an AIB version. If the RTX 3000 series and current 4000 series is anything to gauge by, the FE versions retain their value better and generally go out of production before the AIB models. RTX 4070 Super being new enough to still be in stock there.

[leclod]

Did you at least consider AM5 ?

It is generally considered the way to go, now.

In 2 years time you can still upgrade to the current max.

[Aleph256]

I'm pretty sure a Z-series board is overkill for your use case, and you could make do with a B760.

 

Takinng into consideration the above propositions:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-14600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($309.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($33.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: *Asus PRIME B760-PLUS ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($139.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($102.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($154.99 @ Walmart) 
Video Card: Asus DUAL OC GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card  ($599.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 600 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.90 @ Newegg Sellers) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($164.29 @ Amazon) 
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer  ($54.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: Dell G2724D 27.0" 2560 x 1440 165 Hz Monitor  ($199.99 @ Dell Technologies) 
Total: $1861.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-15 13:20 EDT-0400

 

If going AMD:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($388.09 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($33.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: *MSI PRO B650-S WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($139.00 @ MSI) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($102.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($154.99 @ Walmart) 
Video Card: Asus DUAL OC GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card  ($599.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 600 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.90 @ Newegg Sellers) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($164.29 @ Amazon) 
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer  ($54.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: Dell G2724D 27.0" 2560 x 1440 165 Hz Monitor  ($199.99 @ Dell Technologies) 
Total: $1938.13
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-15 13:21 EDT-0400

 

(YMMV on actual mobo brands - I'm partial to Gigabyte myself)

[brob]

2 hours ago, FunkyPanda said:

Thanks in advance for any input!

Budget (including currency): $2000ish USD

Country: US

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: GW2 (old cpu heavy mmo), spreadsheets and zoom calls, audio projects. I'd like to try to actually play AAA games on 1440p with this.

Other details 

I had planned a build a couple years ago but stuff happened and I never got around to it.

Currently running 7th gen Intel and a 1070. Some games are laggy occasionally.

I'm looking into getting a 1440p monitor in addition to my current 1080p monitor. Both would be 27in.

 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GT9hN6

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($249.98 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  ($119.95 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($209.00 @ MSI) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($102.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($154.99 @ Walmart) 
Video Card: Asus DUAL OC GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card  ($599.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 600 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.90 @ Newegg Sellers) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($149.99 @ Amazon) 
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer  ($54.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: Dell G2724D 27.0" 2560 x 1440 165 Hz Monitor  ($199.99 @ Dell Technologies) 
Total: $1941.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-15 12:01 EDT-0400

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GT9hN6

 

 

-The processor and graphics card seemed like my best price to performance in my opinion. I like the cores from i7 compared to i5. Honestly anything is an upgrade from 7th gen i7. Didn't see much use in going 13th/14th gen or i9.

-850W Power supply leaves room for upgradability.

-The RAM should fit near the Noctua cooler.
 

- I'm kinda stuck on getting the blu-ray player but I'm not sure how much the BeQuiet case kills airflow in order to have the front bay.

Otherwise I was gonna go for the Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nL7v6h/fractal-design-meshify-c-tg-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-mesh-c-bko-tgl

I used the Phanteks Enthroo Pro on a build for someone else but that thing's too huge for my taste.

I'm trying to avoid getting a separate Blu-ray player and keep it all in one system for less desk space.

- My other issue is that I'm not sure how to compare motherboards. I'd like to know I'm paying for a reliable board, but I'm not sure what the requirements are on power delivery. I was bouncing between similarly priced mobo's from MSI.

 

 

The AMD 7800X3D strikes me as a more suitable CPU for this use case.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($388.09 @ Amazon) 

CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($32.90 @ Amazon) 

Motherboard: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard ($199.00 @ MSI) 

Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($102.99 @ Amazon) 

Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($154.99 @ Walmart) 

Video Card: Asus DUAL OC GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card ($599.99 @ Amazon) 

Case: Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.97 @ Amazon) 

Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX-850 ATX 3.0 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Amazon) 

Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($54.99 @ Amazon) 

Monitor: Dell G2724D 27.0" 2560 x 1440 165 Hz Monitor ($199.99 @ Dell Technologies) 

Total: $1922.90

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-15 15:09 EDT-0400

[Agall]

3 hours ago, Aleph256 said:

I'm pretty sure a Z-series board is overkill for your use case, and you could make do with a B760.

 

Takinng into consideration the above propositions:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-14600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($309.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($33.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: *Asus PRIME B760-PLUS ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($139.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($102.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($154.99 @ Walmart) 
Video Card: Asus DUAL OC GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card  ($599.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 600 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.90 @ Newegg Sellers) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($164.29 @ Amazon) 
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer  ($54.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: Dell G2724D 27.0" 2560 x 1440 165 Hz Monitor  ($199.99 @ Dell Technologies) 
Total: $1861.02
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-15 13:20 EDT-0400

 

If going AMD:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($388.09 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($33.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: *MSI PRO B650-S WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($139.00 @ MSI) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($102.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($154.99 @ Walmart) 
Video Card: Asus DUAL OC GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card  ($599.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 600 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.90 @ Newegg Sellers) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($164.29 @ Amazon) 
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer  ($54.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: Dell G2724D 27.0" 2560 x 1440 165 Hz Monitor  ($199.99 @ Dell Technologies) 
Total: $1938.13
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-15 13:21 EDT-0400

 

(YMMV on actual mobo brands - I'm partial to Gigabyte myself)

B760 doesn't allow for overclocking. Intel still gatekeeps that feature being Z series boards. Z690/Z790 boards are cheap enough to always go for if going with a K processor.

[FunkyPanda]

Thanks all for the replies!

I noticed the Corsair PSU went on sale for $89 on Newegg so i went and ordered it.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/26rRsY/corsair-rm850x-2021-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020200-na
 

On 4/15/2024 at 9:38 AM, Agall said:

Being in the US, 100% buy the RTX 4070 Super Founder's Edition from Best Buy instead of an AIB version. If the RTX 3000 series and current 4000 series is anything to gauge by, the FE versions retain their value better and generally go out of production before the AIB models. RTX 4070 Super being new enough to still be in stock there.

Definitely gonna aim for that founders edition in that case.

Seems to be a consensus on Thermalright being better dollar/cooling.

 

I'm still debating a bit between Intel and AMD. I don't know if the extra cores are worth it on Intel.
I'm gonna be watching prices for a bit. Probably gonna pull the trigger on the rest of the build within a few weeks.

 

[Agall]

1 minute ago, FunkyPanda said:

Thanks all for the replies!

I noticed the Corsair PSU went on sale for $89 on Newegg so i went and ordered it.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/26rRsY/corsair-rm850x-2021-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020200-na
 

Definitely gonna aim for that founders edition in that case.

Seems to be a consensus on Thermalright being better dollar/cooling.

 

I'm still debating a bit between Intel and AMD. I don't know if the extra cores are worth it on Intel.
I'm gonna be watching prices for a bit. Probably gonna pull the trigger on the rest of the build within a few weeks.

 

LGA 1700 at this point is a dead-end platform. It does support up to the 14900ks, but Intel's almost guaranteed to be jumping to an incompatible platform with their next generation.

 

If you generally prefer a drop in upgrade after a couple of years, then its worth investing into AM5, which we should see 1-2 more generations of CPUs on before its ditched.

 

Going from a 12700k to 14700k might be a decent jump, but I don't know if its worth it in the future. So the intent behind the 12700k today should be for price/performance and not upgradeability. There's nothing wrong with that, but it depends on your posture for upgrades.

 

Given AM4 is still alive and kicking and getting new releases, AMD seems far more willing to support their platforms than Intel, although Intel has gotten far better. I wouldn't expect the same treatment for LGA 1700 though.

 

I think it would depend entirely on how much GW2 you play. Those types of games see substantial benefits from 3D v-cache. The rest, being AAA games, you'll likely end up GPU bound with an RTX 4070S, which is what you want in that scenario. The extra few % from going with a 7800x3D wouldn't be worth it in that case.

 

If you wanted to not have to worry about your CPU for a lot longer, the 7800x3D is simply a better choice. Potentially worth sacrificing some GPU performance for, especially if you're primarily playing GW2. If that has anything close to similar performance of games like Planetside 2, WoW, and Warframe (at the least), then having that 3D v-cache will be worth more than a higher GPU. In that case, stepping down to the RTX 4070 (non Super) would be worth the trade for more investment into the CPU.