x3D upgrade

[MisterNick]

Okay, it's about my time to upgrade my 5600.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  
Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING WIFI II ATX AM4 Motherboard  
Memory: Silicon Power XPOWER Turbine 16 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  
Storage: TEAMGROUP T-Force Cardea Z44L 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX6700XT CLD 12G Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card
Case: Phanteks Eclipse G360A ATX Mid Tower Case  
Power Supply: Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  
Monitor: LG 27GN800-B 27.0" 2560 x 1440 144 Hz Monitor

Okay, after doing my research and asking people on this fantastic website my upgrade path in AM4 would to be getting a X3D CPU.

95% of what I play is WoW of some sort, Retail and Classic.

 

Question:

5700x3d or 5800x3d?

 

rather save money if I could

Sources:

 

[Shimejii]

not really worth it for WoW when you already have a 5600 and since you mentioned youd rather save money.

 

Will it be better? Of course.  But if you need to save money for other things, then do that! Its more important to have your money then spend it on something like this.

 

5700x3d/ 5800x3D makes sense for 2000/3000 ryzen rather then 5000.

[MisterNick]

2 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

not really worth it for WoW when you already have a 5600 and since you mentioned youd rather save money.

 

Will it be better? Of course.  But if you need to save money for other things, then do that! Its more important to have your money then spend it on something like this.

 

5700x3d/ 5800x3D makes sense for 2000/3000 ryzen rather then 5000.

Well, not really what I meant by that I am going to get one or the other just asking is it worth it by saving 50$ and just going with the 5700x3d or just spending that extra 50$ and getting the best AM4 CPU.

 

x3D benefits wow a lot more than my 5600 (5600x3d, 5700x3d or 5800x3d), would be gains for wow.

Watching

right now.

[Shimejii]

4 minutes ago, MisterNick said:

Well, not really what I meant by that I am going to get one or the other just asking is it worth it by saving 50$ and just going with the 5700x3d or just spending that extra 50$ and getting the best AM4 CPU.

 

x3D benefits wow a lot more than my 5600 (5600x3d, 5700x3d or 5800x3d), would be gains for wow.

Watching

right now.

Its worth is up to you, nobody else can really answer that for you. Do you feel that its worth getting 400mhz for 50$ with a 5800x3D? You can also look on ebay for a 5800x3D and probably get it for around the same price as the 5700x3D.

 

i went from a 3800x to a 5800x3D and it was def worth it in nov 2022 and still is

[podkall]

5 minutes ago, MisterNick said:

x3D benefits wow a lot more than my 5600 (5600x3d, 5700x3d or 5800x3d), would be gains for wow.

benefits yes, but are they necessary? like if you get 100+fps without x3D chip and don't need more than 100fps for example, then there's really no need for upgrade

[MisterNick]

4 minutes ago, podkall said:

benefits yes, but are they necessary? like if you get 100+fps without x3D chip and don't need more than 100fps for example, then there's really no need for upgrade

I don't want necessarily more FPS but I want smoother FPS and more contestant FPS and @Agall told me that going from a non x3d CPU to a x3D cpu with the extra L3 cache would help me with my issues. Like in BG's or Raids where there's a bunch of spell effects or players. Where my PC bogs down or like in the main city.

I also, asked if it would be better just to upgrade my GPU but they said I would benefit more from the x3D CPU upgrade rather then spending 600-800$ on a better GPU. 

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WoW really loves 3D v-cache, I tested it when I was playing in Shadowlands (played from tbc to SL s4), a 3950x vs 5800x3D was ~50% increase in minimum framerate. My brother has that 5800x3D (and the 3600MHz kit of 2x16GB RAM I was using) and he saw a 100% increase from his R5 3600 and 3000MHz RAM.

 

I've been waiting for the next free weekend to test Stormwind/Orgimmar on Classic with my 7950x3D, testing between CCD0 and CCD1 (one has 3D v-cache and one doesn't), which would be the most effective test to answer your question.

 

In other games, the difference was substantial, specifically in the minimum framerate and average framerates. Warframe being one with similar CPU draw call limitations on npc/player positioning that was a repeatable 50% difference in framerate between CCD0 and CCD1 in the most limiting scenario.

 

In general, 3D v-cache will dramatically raise the lows but not get as high (due to its reduced clock speed) which results in a smoother and higher average framerate. Its most prominent in any game that negotiates with a server like multiplayer/MMO games.

 

The only recent WoW test I've done was during the last set of free weekends on Retail in Orgrimmar, so low population. This was testing between a 4790k and 7950x3D with a 4090 at 4K, the difference being 160 fps vs 330 fps. The fact that I was getting 160 fps in Orgrimmar on a decade old CPU shows that it was probably unpopulated.

 

- @Agall

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The only times, where I have issues is in the current main city (a lot of other people have lower FPS there I know, my friend with a 13900k and a 4090 gets 60-70fps at 1440p max settings) and BG's and certain area's in the new raids.

That's the reason why I wanted to go to a X3D CPU.  I get between 40-60 fps in the main city and in raids I fluctuate between 65 - 160 fps depending on where I am and what boss I am fighting.

For example in the new raid Amirdrassil: The Dream's Hope, the 2nd to last boss hit's my PC harder than 95% of games that I play on there, it makes my CPU go from ~50-60% usage to 80's and it's a place where depending on how many people we have raiding it goes from  10-30 people depending on how many were invited. On the last phase on that boss he uses all the abilitys he used on the previous phases almost at the same time, and that's the only time where I went below 60 fps on my 1440p 144hz monitor. (This is at all low settings including Texture Resolution, changing that has very little fps difference).

One run we had 10 people, and it was still at like 80 fps and then another run where we had 30 people my FPS tanked.

Agian keep in mind ALL low settings.

So, if I could spend money to improve this that would be great.

besides main city and raid. 95% of the time I have no issues like in dungeon's I am smooth sailing at med-high settings I can get 110-180 fps depending on how many mobs/effects. So, I max out my monitor so I am happy with that.

 
@Shimejii

[MisterNick]

I just want more consistency, I don't necessarily want to max out my monitor or have mroe FPS. Hopefully the more L3 cache will help out with that. 

[Agall]

16 hours ago, MisterNick said:

I just want more consistency, I don't necessarily want to max out my monitor or have mroe FPS. Hopefully the more L3 cache will help out with that. 

Yes.

 

 

3D v-cache slays in a game like WoW in high density environments. Its usually hard to recommend a jump between 5600 and 5700x3D, but if the PC basically just plays WoW, then its worth it. Still worth considering jumping to AM5 and the 7800x3D instead. I haven't gotten to see how substantial the gains are with 7000x3D since when I last played (and my brother's system now who still plays) it was with a 5800x3D.

 

[MisterNick]

3 minutes ago, Agall said:

Yes.

 

 

3D v-cache slays in a game like WoW in high density environments. Its usually hard to recommend a jump between 5600 and 5700x3D, but if the PC basically just plays WoW, then its worth it. Still worth considering jumping to AM5 and the 7800x3D instead. I haven't gotten to see how substantial the gains are with 7000x3D since when I last played (and my brother's system now who still plays) it was with a 5800x3D.

 

Yeah, I'm just going to go with the 5800x3d. Might as well spend the extra money and max it out.

[MisterNick]

The issue is I was not really smart when I was prepping the build. It took about 11 months intill I actually made the system and after I built it people on the internet were like don't build AM4 for a new system but as I was building they were reccomending. 

 

I should have saved a tiny bit more upfront for AM5

 

In hindsight, in my personal experience and research. for a WOW only system.

From what ive read looked at and asked people that i play with.

 

WoW likes intel and NVIDIA better than AMD. 

 

I have 2 guildies that both have a 4070 ti and one has a 12700kf and one has a 5800x3d, and in the city max graphics.

 

The intel did better than the AMD .

 

BUT! In battlegrounds AMD had higher than Intel and in Raid in the most cpu bound fight Intel prooved better. 

 

WoW needs to update they're engine or opimize it better or something. You need a beastly computer depending on what your doing in that game for above 60fps. 1440p+

 

 

 

So, like I said before. Either waited for AM5 or went with a 12th gen intel board that could go to 14th gen with a BIOS upgrade. (IE getting a 12400f then upgrading to a 13700k or 14700k, couldn't see the reason to go higher than that).

 

I'm really lucky and did one thing and bought a semi nice asus motherboard that could handle any AM4 I throw at it and I have a 750w psu that could handle a 5800x3D and a 4070ti.

 

That being said, I am going to purchase the 5800x3d and let you know what I see. @Agall

 

If I don't really see a massage diffrence Oh well, I was planning on maxing out my socket one way or the other.

 

Then it's onto GPU then ram then storage. So, when I have a 5800x3d, 4070ti and better RAM I should be better than starting build by quite a bit.

 

:). 

 

Later

[Agall]

28 minutes ago, MisterNick said:

I have 2 guildies that both have a 4070 ti and one has a 12700kf and one has a 5800x3d, and in the city max graphics.

 

The intel did better than the AMD .

 

BUT! In battlegrounds AMD had higher than Intel and in Raid in the most cpu bound fight Intel prooved better. 

5800x3D in a city should at least get 60 fps, so if your guildy with a 4070ti and 5800x3D isn't getting that, they've got a problem.

 

Plenty of people will undervolt their 5800x3D to the point of a hard voltage limit and see dramatically lower framerates because of it. Generally its because they'll assume its stable because they don't BSOD or crash, and don't validate actual multicore performance with something like Cinebench R23.

 

I haven't tested LGA 1700 in WoW, mostly two separate examples of ryzen 3000 to a 5800x3D. I refuse to give Blizzard money in general, so I'm still waiting a free weekend to do 7000 vs 7000x3D testing, which I plan to use a high population Classic server and stand in Stormwind or Orgrimmar, probably end up doing Stormwind. I can also test it with a 12100f, 4790k, 3950x, 3600, Steam Deck, R5 7600 all with an RTX 4090 except the Steam Deck (big sad). 

[Dedayog]

17 hours ago, MisterNick said:

I don't want necessarily more FPS but I want smoother FPS and more contestant FPS and @Agall told me that going from a non x3d CPU to a x3D cpu with the extra L3 cache would help me with my issues. Like in BG's or Raids where there's a bunch of spell effects or players. Where my PC bogs down or like in the main city.

I also, asked if it would be better just to upgrade my GPU but they said I would benefit more from the x3D CPU upgrade rather then spending 600-800$ on a better GPU. 

"

WoW really loves 3D v-cache, I tested it when I was playing in Shadowlands (played from tbc to SL s4), a 3950x vs 5800x3D was ~50% increase in minimum framerate. My brother has that 5800x3D (and the 3600MHz kit of 2x16GB RAM I was using) and he saw a 100% increase from his R5 3600 and 3000MHz RAM.

 

I've been waiting for the next free weekend to test Stormwind/Orgimmar on Classic with my 7950x3D, testing between CCD0 and CCD1 (one has 3D v-cache and one doesn't), which would be the most effective test to answer your question.

 

In other games, the difference was substantial, specifically in the minimum framerate and average framerates. Warframe being one with similar CPU draw call limitations on npc/player positioning that was a repeatable 50% difference in framerate between CCD0 and CCD1 in the most limiting scenario.

 

In general, 3D v-cache will dramatically raise the lows but not get as high (due to its reduced clock speed) which results in a smoother and higher average framerate. Its most prominent in any game that negotiates with a server like multiplayer/MMO games.

 

The only recent WoW test I've done was during the last set of free weekends on Retail in Orgrimmar, so low population. This was testing between a 4790k and 7950x3D with a 4090 at 4K, the difference being 160 fps vs 330 fps. The fact that I was getting 160 fps in Orgrimmar on a decade old CPU shows that it was probably unpopulated.

 

- @Agall

"

The only times, where I have issues is in the current main city (a lot of other people have lower FPS there I know, my friend with a 13900k and a 4090 gets 60-70fps at 1440p max settings) and BG's and certain area's in the new raids.

That's the reason why I wanted to go to a X3D CPU.  I get between 40-60 fps in the main city and in raids I fluctuate between 65 - 160 fps depending on where I am and what boss I am fighting.

For example in the new raid Amirdrassil: The Dream's Hope, the 2nd to last boss hit's my PC harder than 95% of games that I play on there, it makes my CPU go from ~50-60% usage to 80's and it's a place where depending on how many people we have raiding it goes from  10-30 people depending on how many were invited. On the last phase on that boss he uses all the abilitys he used on the previous phases almost at the same time, and that's the only time where I went below 60 fps on my 1440p 144hz monitor. (This is at all low settings including Texture Resolution, changing that has very little fps difference).

One run we had 10 people, and it was still at like 80 fps and then another run where we had 30 people my FPS tanked.

Agian keep in mind ALL low settings.

So, if I could spend money to improve this that would be great.

besides main city and raid. 95% of the time I have no issues like in dungeon's I am smooth sailing at med-high settings I can get 110-180 fps depending on how many mobs/effects. So, I max out my monitor so I am happy with that.

 
@Shimejii

So you basically answered your own question and  you keep quoting what you were told before, so why keep asking?

 

Get one of he X3D's and enjoy life.  Which one?  The best one you can afford.

 

At some point, stop asking and do