Intel i5-14600

[AverageTechUser]

Hello all.

I bought some parts to build a PC.

 

ASUS TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS

Lexar ARES RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 6000, CL30

SSD disk Seagate FireCuda 530 1TB M.2 PCIe

MSI GeForce GTX 1660 (Used)

And of course a CASE and a PSU

 

Some of there were on sale/cashback for example the motherboard thats why I went for an "overkill"

I dont want to build a super strong pc or an overcloked one and I had my eyes on the highest 14th gen i5 (14600)

However when the locked 14gen came out the 14600 eventhough it says on INTEL webpage its released is nowhere to be found (I live in Europe).

So waiting almost a month now I see its still not released so I have 2 questions.

 

1)Does anybody have any info on when the 14600 will be available? (I dont keep a close eye on the INTEL releases so maybe there is a patter from last years that I dont know about)

2)I can see small differences with 14500

• 2ghz more in turbo frequency and 1gh in the base
• 8.5 more total L2 cache
• Up to DDR5 5600MT/s compared to 4800 MT/s

Given that the price difference (should) be minimum.. Do I wait to get it? With the parts that I already have will I see a difference?

Thank you very much in advance for any answer givven.

 

 

[Agall]

12 minutes ago, AverageTechUser said:

Hello all.

I bought some parts to build a PC.

 

ASUS TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS

Lexar ARES RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 6000, CL30

SSD disk Seagate FireCuda 530 1TB M.2 PCIe

MSI GeForce GTX 1660 (Used)

And of course a CASE and a PSU

 

Some of there were on sale/cashback for example the motherboard thats why I went for an "overkill"

I dont want to build a super strong pc or an overcloked one and I had my eyes on the highest 14th gen i5 (14600)

However when the locked 14gen came out the 14600 eventhough it says on INTEL webpage its released is nowhere to be found (I live in Europe).

So waiting almost a month now I see its still not released so I have 2 questions.

 

1)Does anybody have any info on when the 14600 will be available? (I dont keep a close eye on the INTEL releases so maybe there is a patter from last years that I dont know about)

2)I can see small differences with 14500

• 2ghz more in turbo frequency and 1gh in the base
• 8.5 more total L2 cache
• Up to DDR5 5600MT/s compared to 4800 MT/s

Given that the price difference (should) be minimum.. Do I wait to get it? With the parts that I already have will I see a difference?

Thank you very much in advance for any answer givven.

 

 

Why not just go with the 14500?

 

Intel Core i5-14500 - Core i5 14th Gen Raptor Lake 14-Core (6P+8E) LGA 1700 65W Intel UHD Graphics 770 Processor - BX8071514500 - Newegg.com

 

Your limitation is going to end up the GTX 1660, so you could go as low as i3 14100F given the rest of the configuration. The 14500 being in a decent spot for price/performance. I think its worth the $30 or so over the 14400F, the 14100F being serviceable, but would limit potential dGPU upgrades in the future.

 

Regarding the specs, L2 cache is per core and its fixed depending on bin of CPU. So the higher L2 cache is because of the extra E-core cluster (which are pairs of 4), so its less of an important metric than something like L3 cache that is shared between the cores. Each P-core and E-core cluster that's active provides another 3MB of L3 cache, but that's not as impactful as clock speed on locked parts.

 

Regarding the i5 14600 release, probably any week now, since the info I've seen has it as 'early 2024'. The extra E-cores that it'll likely have won't be worth it in my opinion, since it'll likely end up another $30-$40. The $200-$300 price stack for 14th gen is so stacked though that there's not much room between the 14500 and 14600k currently, so if you'd be spending more than what the 14500 costs, you mind as well just get a 14600kf.

[AverageTechUser]

11 minutes ago, Agall said:

Why not just go with the 14500?

 

Intel Core i5-14500 - Core i5 14th Gen Raptor Lake 14-Core (6P+8E) LGA 1700 65W Intel UHD Graphics 770 Processor - BX8071514500 - Newegg.com

 

Your limitation is going to end up the GTX 1660, so you could go as low as i3 14100F given the rest of the configuration. The 14500 being in a decent spot for price/performance. I think its worth the $30 or so over the 14400F, the 14100F being serviceable, but would limit potential dGPU upgrades in the future.

 

Regarding the specs, L2 cache is per core and its fixed depending on bin of CPU. So the higher L2 cache is because of the extra E-core cluster (which are pairs of 4), so its less of an important metric than something like L3 cache that is shared between the cores. Each P-core and E-core cluster that's active provides another 3MB of L3 cache, but that's not as impactful as clock speed on locked parts.

 

Regarding the i5 14600 release, probably any week now, since the info I've seen has it as 'early 2024'. The extra E-cores that it'll likely have won't be worth it in my opinion, since it'll likely end up another $30-$40. The $200-$300 price stack for 14th gen is so stacked though that there's not much room between the 14500 and 14600k currently, so if you'd be spending more than what the 14500 costs, you mind as well just get a 14600kf.

 

Hi and thank you for the reply.

The graphics card is only used in the system as it happened to a super cheap purchase (From an old machhine). The main job of this pc wont be playing games (Some Indie titles maybe but thats the most). 

I want to buy a locked one as I dont really care for a unlocked one. No plans for overclocking or have to search for a specific cpu cooler and I know it sounds stupid but I prefer to have Integrated graphics.. you never know when that gpu will fail and I will need to use the onboard one.

 

As you can already tell I am not expert so I want just to ask if my RAMs states above will run at the same speed as its another key difference that I see when comparing the two (5600 vs 4800).. mines are 6000 but i am pretty sure I am missing something along the way with the numbers.

Thank you

 

[Agall]

8 minutes ago, AverageTechUser said:

 

Hi and thank you for the reply.

The graphics card is only used in the system as it happened to a super cheap purchase (From an old machhine). The main job of this pc wont be playing games (Some Indie titles maybe but thats the most). 

I want to buy a locked one as I dont really care for a unlocked one. No plans for overclocking or have to search for a specific cpu cooler and I know it sounds stupid but I prefer to have Integrated graphics.. you never know when that gpu will fail and I will need to use the onboard one.

 

As you can already tell I am not expert so I want just to ask if my RAMs states above will run at the same speed as its another key difference that I see when comparing the two (5600 vs 4800).. mines are 6000 but i am pretty sure I am missing something along the way with the numbers.

Thank you

 

Listed RAM speeds are almost always cringe, including listed speeds on motherboards. The memory controllers used to be on the motherboard but are now in the Uncore of the CPU die (or the I/O die for MCM Ryzen CPUs), so it used to matter. Assuming a DDR5 compatible motherboard and DDR5, any LGA 1700 CPU should be able to run 6000MHz RAM perfectly fine. Its been one of the most prolific specs for DDR5 since release.

 

The general rule I'd follow regarding RAM speeds on a CPU generation, look at what everyone else is running for it and it'll likely work. Since the memory controllers are in the CPU itself, usually what other people can run successfully will work, outside of extremely poor 'silicon lottery' luck.

[Tetras]

44 minutes ago, AverageTechUser said:

With the parts that I already have will I see a difference?

With a 1660 I doubt you'll notice the difference between a 12400 and 14600.

 

44 minutes ago, AverageTechUser said:

2)I can see small differences with 14500

• 2ghz more in turbo frequency and 1gh in the base
• 8.5 more total L2 cache
• Up to DDR5 5600MT/s compared to 4800 MT/s

The non-K CPUs with 13th gen are rather awkward, because the 13400, 13500 and 13600 are, so far as I know, not really Raptor Lake CPUs, since they share the older cache configuration (1.25 MB per P-core and 2MB per E-core cluster) with 12th gen CPUs.

 

The 13600K is the first real Raptor Lake, since it has 2MB per P-core and 4MB per E-core cluster.

 

The main difference between the 13400 and 13500/13600 is that the 13400 has a lower spec integrated graphics and is not enabled for VPro.

 

With 14th gen, I believe the 14400 and 14500 still use the old cache configuration (1.25MB and 2MB), which is perhaps also why their memory spec is still 12th gen (4800), but the 14600 reports a higher L2 cache, a higher base memory spec and the same IGP device ID as the 14600K. I suspect this CPU is, unlike with 13th gen, actually a raptor lake CPU with the upgraded cache config.

 

44 minutes ago, AverageTechUser said:

ASUS TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS

FYI: this motherboard does not have USB flashback and you're looking at a CPU that is 2 gens (arguably if they're actually a gen, but anyway) newer than what it was originally released for.

 

There have been some decent discounts on the 12600K and 12700, so given the motherboard, I'd take a look before you buy.

 

18 minutes ago, AverageTechUser said:

As you can already tell I am not expert so I want just to ask if my RAMs states above will run at the same speed as its another key difference that I see when comparing the two (5600 vs 4800).. mines are 6000 but i am pretty sure I am missing something along the way with the numbers.

If you don't want to overclock, you need to use your memory at the rated speed for the CPU's memory controller, but practically everyone (except the likes of Dell & HP) uses XMP to overclock their memory.

 

I don't know if the 4800 CPUs use older dies (and hence, are likely to be a lower bin and not capable of the same speeds), or not, but it is a possibility. As said above though, 6000 is usually alright with a recent CPU. Intel CPUs start having issues @ 7200, from what I'm aware.

[jaslion]

Fyi a 14600 is just a 13600. Same chip intel just rebranded 13th gen to 14th gen no actual changes happend that you can notice as there arent any. The 14700k is the only difference.

 

Your z690 board WONT support a 13 or 14 gen chip as it doesnt have the bios update for it installed. So I simply recommend you get a 12600k or 12700k. They are VERY cheap and plenty fast. The k series ARE DIFFERENT and have extra cores purchase these over the non k ones.
 

As for cooler a thermalright peerless assasin 120 is top spec and cheap.

 

Ram speeds are kinda bs with xmp all of em will do 6000mhz

[Tetras]

10 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Fyi a 14600 is just a 13600. Same chip intel just rebranded 13th gen to 14th gen no actual changes

It's really hard to get proper info on this chip, but based on the cache config, memory speed and device IDs suggested by Intel ark, my impression is that the 13600 is a raptor lake CPU, but it has a 12th gen cache config (1.25MB per P-Core and 2MB per E-Core cluster, 7.5+4=11.5).

 

The 14600 has a higher L2 reported, so it appears to have a 13th gen K (true raptor lake) cache config of 2MB per P-Core and 4MB per E-Core (12+8=20).

[AverageTechUser]

15 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Fyi a 14600 is just a 13600. Same chip intel just rebranded 13th gen to 14th gen no actual changes happend that you can notice as there arent any. The 14700k is the only difference.

 

Your z690 board WONT support a 13 or 14 gen chip as it doesnt have the bios update for it installed. So I simply recommend you get a 12600k or 12700k. They are VERY cheap and plenty fast. The k series ARE DIFFERENT and have extra cores purchase these over the non k ones.
 

As for cooler a thermalright peerless assasin 120 is top spec and cheap.

 

Ram speeds are kinda bs with xmp all of em will do 6000mhz

Hi.

I bought it already as its stated here that it does support

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/tuf-gaming/tuf-gaming-z690-plus/helpdesk_qvl_cpu?model2Name=TUF-GAMING-Z690-PLUS

[jaslion]

6 hours ago, AverageTechUser said:

Hi.

I bought it already as its stated here that it does support

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/tuf-gaming/tuf-gaming-z690-plus/helpdesk_qvl_cpu?model2Name=TUF-GAMING-Z690-PLUS

Yes if you have the new bios installed. Which it won't have out of the box so you need to install that.

 

6 hours ago, Tetras said:

It's really hard to get proper info on this chip, but based on the cache config, memory speed and device IDs suggested by Intel ark, my impression is that the 13600 is a raptor lake CPU, but it has a 12th gen cache config (1.25MB per P-Core and 2MB per E-Core cluster, 7.5+4=11.5).

 

The 14600 has a higher L2 reported, so it appears to have a 13th gen K (true raptor lake) cache config of 2MB per P-Core and 4MB per E-Core (12+8=20).

In real world performance this hasn't mattered a bit basically past 1% performance uplift in games if even when doing comparative reviews of a 13600k vs 14600k.

 

Basically the extra money is NOT worth it.

 

[Tetras]

19 minutes ago, jaslion said:

In real world performance this hasn't mattered a bit basically past 1% performance uplift in games if even when doing comparative reviews of a 13600k vs 14600k.

 

Basically the extra money is NOT worth it.

 

Yeah, I'm aware of that, the 13600K and 14600K have the same (raptor lake) cache config.

 

The OP is looking at the 14600 non-K though, not the 14600K.

 

What Intel ark suggests is that unlike the 13th gen 13600 Non-K CPU, the 14600 Non-K has the K's (raptor lake) cache config.

 

If this can be confirmed (CPU-Z screenshots are consistent with this), the performance difference between the 13600 Non-K, 14500 Non-K and 14600 Non-K would be rather large, much larger than between other 13th and 14th gen CPUs and the 13400/13500 and 13600 CPUs.