4K GPU?

[Bagzie]

2 hours ago, Jon-Slow said:

 

First let's start by undestanding that what I said was not advice, but personal opinion and what I've learned myself through both personal examination and tests as well as observing other people's opinions. OP didn't ask what card to buy, I didn't say what card he should buy.

 

My personal opinion seems to be something you seem to have a problem with. I wouldn't get myself a 7900XTX for a good 4K experience considering the price, and what is available at the same price range, and so I don't recommend it to anyone who asks me that question; but I will explain why, as I have extensively. But it seems like there is a disconnect here with what a personal opinion is or if the validity of someone's argument can be questioned if they spell the word "rogue" incorrectly.

 

I don't know who, and in what context. Again, personal opinion. I don't think I would like to play with FSR, and with the 2 latest AAA releases I can't hit 60fps in one and 40fps in the other(Avatar FOP), Same with Robocop Rogue City, Immortals of Aveum , and a bunch of other games that I probably haven't tested.

 

Again, I can't believe I have to keep saying this, but personal opinion.

 

In Avatar FOP, if you get my 48" oled and zoom in your sight and move your camera and compare FSR with DLSS you can see the worst of it. But it's all over the place with the vegetation, ropes, strings, sharp edges of objects, transparent effects,... Everything falls apart in movement. DLSS has all of that figured out and you will never understand what I'm saying if you're not looking at it with your own eyes.

 

 DLSS 4K performance mode in Avatar FOP, to me, looks to have temporal stability in motion while FSR in quality mode does not. This is true with any game I've tried this year. You may disagree if all you've seen are youtube videos and screenshots but you're still entitled to your own opinion.

 

 

And Again, this is sooooo weird that you're going up and down all the way here and expecting everyone to share your opinion, or the opinion of your favourit "techtuber" on what they should think and expect. I consider the 7900XTX a 4K card with compromise specifically due to its much weaker RT performance and image reconstruction tech, or the 7900xt. I won't be expecting to continue this conversation since all you are interested in is a misunderstand of what a personal opinion is.

 

 

 

You specifically mentioned cards in the same price range..

 

What cards priced the same as a 7900XTX offer a better 4k experience?

[Paul17]

On 12/19/2023 at 9:41 AM, Jon-Slow said:

 

First let's start by undestanding that what I said was not advice, but personal opinion and what I've learned myself through both personal examination and tests as well as observing other people's opinions. OP didn't ask what card to buy, I didn't say what card he should buy.

 

My personal opinion seems to be something you seem to have a problem with. I wouldn't get myself a 7900XTX for a good 4K experience considering the price, and what is available at the same price range, and so I don't recommend it to anyone who asks me that question; but I will explain why, as I have extensively. But it seems like there is a disconnect here with what a personal opinion is or if the validity of someone's argument can be questioned if they spell the word "rogue" incorrectly.

 

I don't know who, and in what context. Again, personal opinion. I don't think I would like to play with FSR, and with the 2 latest AAA releases I can't hit 60fps in one and 40fps in the other(Avatar FOP), Same with Robocop Rogue City, Immortals of Aveum , and a bunch of other games that I probably haven't tested.

 

Again, I can't believe I have to keep saying this, but personal opinion.

 

In Avatar FOP, if you get my 48" oled and zoom in your sight and move your camera and compare FSR with DLSS you can see the worst of it. But it's all over the place with the vegetation, ropes, strings, sharp edges of objects, transparent effects,... Everything falls apart in movement. DLSS has all of that figured out and you will never understand what I'm saying if you're not looking at it with your own eyes.

 

 DLSS 4K performance mode in Avatar FOP, to me, looks to have temporal stability in motion while FSR in quality mode does not. This is true with any game I've tried this year. You may disagree if all you've seen are youtube videos and screenshots but you're still entitled to your own opinion.

 

 

And Again, this is sooooo weird that you're going up and down all the way here and expecting everyone to share your opinion, or the opinion of your favourit "techtuber" on what they should think and expect. I consider the 7900XTX a 4K card with compromise specifically due to its much weaker RT performance and image reconstruction tech, or the 7900xt. I won't be expecting to continue this conversation since all you are interested in is a misunderstand of what a personal opinion is.

 

 

 

He also has an all-AMD system and he's calling you biased.    

[starsmine]

40 minutes ago, Paul17 said:

He also has an all-AMD system and he's calling you biased.    

I dont have an all-AMD system. the entire fleet of PCs I care for contains Intel, Nvidia, and AMD. 

Jon-slow is biased. 

[JonS77]

2 hours ago, starsmine said:

I dont have an all-AMD system. the entire fleet of PCs I care for contains Intel, Nvidia, and AMD.

That's a little bit of a self-own, don't you think? neither of us where talking about you @starsmine, the comment @Paul17 responded to wasn't responding to you, didn't mention you, but somehow you felt called out which is interesting as to why...

 

2 hours ago, starsmine said:

Jon-slow is biased. 

Oh I'm hurt , I get called biased by someone who thinks a side by side screenshot is in anyway indicitive of the quality of FSR being just as good as DLSS in motion. He also apparantly doesn't have a card that can run DLSSFG but somehow thinks "so it feels like playing at a lower frame rate than if you had it off. " Somebody is biased here towards their favourit corporation alright. I don't think it's me, I have mirrors in my apartment don't know about you.

 

 

[freeagent]

I play at 4K with my 4070Ti, would have been nice to grab a 4080 though.

[Paul17]

7 minutes ago, Jon-Slow said:

That's a little bit of a self-own, don't you think? neither of us where talking about you @starsmine, the comment @Paul17 responded to wasn't responding to you, didn't mention you, but somehow you felt called out which is interesting as to why...

 

Oh I'm hurt , I get called biased by someone who thinks a side by side screenshot is in anyway indicitive of the quality of FSR being just as good as DLSS in motion. He also apparantly doesn't have a card that can run DLSSFG but somehow thinks "so it feels like playing at a lower frame rate than if you had it off. " Somebody is biased here towards their favourit corporation alright. I don't think it's me, I have mirrors in my apartment don't know about you.

 

 

Yeah, I don't really have a horse in the race - and I don't believe I am biased either - despite my last card being Nvidia - my info is just based on reading articles and reading posts from gpu owners/users.   He seems to be a bit touchy - and it's only natural to wonder if he's a bit subjective having AMD hardware - that's all.   I didn't know he has other PCs - I just looked at his .sig. 

Anyway, I didn't intend to contribute to the feuding...

 

I only recently started reading about DLSS and FSR - it's complicated to me but that's also because my gaming experience is pretty paltry/pathetic.  

I only recently got into gaming and it's not really my priority - I do think it's interesting, however.

I thought these two articles looked particularly interesting.   Thoughts, guys?

 

https://10pcg.com/nvidia-dlss-3-5-vs-amd-fsr-3/

https://www.techspot.com/article/2747-amd-fsr-3-tech/

[Paul17]

I think of the 3090, 6950 XT for last gen and this gen, 4070 Ti, 4080, 4090, 7900 XT and 7900 XTX - as being able to do 4K?

Although, it also depends on which settings you use - Ultra and High?    Right?   Also, whether you're content with 60fps or want VRR and at least 120fps?   

[freeagent]

44 minutes ago, Paul17 said:

Also, whether you're content with 60fps or want VRR and at least 120fps? 

My TV can only do 60Hz at 3840x2160, to me its completely fine. It does 120Hz at 1080p I think, but that is pretty sucky.

[JonS77]

46 minutes ago, Paul17 said:

I think of the 3090, 6950 XT for last gen and this gen, 4070 Ti, 4080, 4090, 7900 XT and 7900 XTX - as being able to do 4K?

Although, it also depends on which settings you use - Ultra and High?    Right?   Also, whether you're content with 60fps or want VRR and at least 120fps?   

Well yes of course, it all depends on what games, what resulotion, what settings,... I think to just say that X card is a 4K card is a little incomplete without mentioning under what circumstances. A PS5 at the end of the day is a 4K machine, but they decide the compromise for you. Which is why in my initial comment I mentioned the importance of compromise. I don't use my PS5 for anything outside of Sony exclusives because I can't stand the poor upscaling done to most 4K settings there and the FSR shimmer.

 

At the end of the day, we have examples of games that don't hit 60fps at native res with no FG with even the 4090 ( just ray tracing and not path tracing even). And then we come to things like the quality of upscalers, quality of frame-gen, quality of AA, intended frame cap, and what settings to drop or not to. I personally think a good experience could be had in any well optimized game if you can drop your settings to a PS5 equivalent ( which is sometimes mid-low) but adjust your image and upscaling quality to give a 4K upscaled image with temporal stability. I can live with a 40fps in a 120hz container, or a +60fps. So realistically you can have a 4K experience with any card even a 3070+updated DLSS 4k performance mode( there could be occasional hiccups here with unoptimized games, but at a solid 40fps in 120hz I've tried many modern games and all run flawlessly). But it takes a lot to know what exactly you want and how much money you should/could spend.

[freeagent]

Lol yeah.. there are all kinds of settings to play with. When I bought my card it was about 400 cheaper than the closest AMD, and hundreds cheaper than the other 4070Tis.. good deal in that sale. I still paid less than what it retails for now. Under 1K beaver bux.

[starsmine]

1 hour ago, Jon-Slow said:

That's a little bit of a self-own, don't you think? neither of us where talking about you @starsmine, the comment @Paul17 responded to wasn't responding to you, didn't mention you, but somehow you felt called out which is interesting as to why...

 

Oh I'm hurt , I get called biased by someone who thinks a side by side screenshot is in anyway indicitive of the quality of FSR being just as good as DLSS in motion. He also apparantly doesn't have a card that can run DLSSFG but somehow thinks "so it feels like playing at a lower frame rate than if you had it off. " Somebody is biased here towards their favourit corporation alright. I don't think it's me, I have mirrors in my apartment don't know about you.

 

 

I know paul wasnt talking about me, I just want to point out to paul that its not just Bagzie calling you out, and that it wasn't for AMD fan reasons. I run Nvidia on my main desktop.  

FG regardless of being DLSS or FSR does make it feel like you are playing at a lower frame rate. So saying somehow is a weird take there. It delays your input in ALL situations its turned on. 

This trend is true, every single time, with zero exceptions. Your visual clarity with your fps went from 130 to 170 fps when you turn FG on in this example sure, but the playability now has it feel like you are playing the game at 100fps. 
This is why FG without Super Resolution is stupid. if you turned it on at native sure, you would get something like 100fps, but it would now feel like you are playing the game at sub 60fps. 

If a game has motion clarity problems, then it might be worth turning it on if and only if the game doesn't care if you are playing at 30fps gameplay wise, but thats a niche use case. 

 

Like here you turn it on, and all the sudden the responsiveness of the game is exactly the same as it was when the game was running at 42 fps, and looks worse. 

[freeagent]

Don't forget, stock CPU settings suck. Reviews are done at stock..

 

You can tune your way to massive gains.

[JonS77]

18 minutes ago, starsmine said:

I know paul wasnt talking about me, I just want to

First you just made a mistake thinking they were refering to you because you're too excited to type in before reading properly, now you're pretty much just lying because you can't admit you misunderstood that they, or I weren't refering to you.

 

I mean I wrote you off when you posted a side by side image to compare upscaler anyway. That's such a basic amature mistake that's almost amusing, there is no argument I could be having with you over any of this.

 

3 hours ago, starsmine said:

I dont have an all-AMD system. the entire fleet of PCs I care for contains Intel, Nvidia, and AMD. 

Here is exactly what you said to them saying "He also has an all-AMD system and they calling you biased." they said "he also", not refering to you, and you came back with "I dont have an all-AMD system." This speaks for itself.

 

I'm not wasting my time to read the rest of your comment and whatever other comments you leave here because it's pretty pointless when you A, lie about pretty clear statements you've made moments ago and B, don't have personal experience with the tech you're talking about and are relying on unreliable side by side images, and outdated tests to confirm what you're already biase about. I'm temporarily puting you on my ignore list becuase this is wasting my time.

[starsmine]

7 minutes ago, Jon-Slow said:

First you just made a mistake thinking they were refering to you because you're too excited to type in before reading properly, now you're pretty much just lying because you can't admit you misunderstood that they, or I weren't refering to you.

 

I mean I wrote you off when you posted a side by side image to compare upscaler anyway. That's such a basic amature mistake that's almost amusing, there is no argument I could be having with you over any of this.

 

Here is exactly what you said to them saying "He also has an all-AMD system and they calling you biased." they said "he also", not refering to you, and you came back with "I dont have an all-AMD system." This speaks for itself.

 

I'm not wasting my time to read the rest of your comment and whatever other comments you leave here because it's pretty pointless when you A, lie about pretty clear statements you've made moments ago and B, don't have personal experience with the tech you're talking about and are relying on unreliable side by side images, and outdated tests to confirm what you're already biase about. I'm temporarily puting you on my ignore list becuase this is wasting my time.

bro... I have not lied anywhere, I brought up not having all AMD to point out one can not use that observation to dismiss the accusation I'm about to be the second person to make. 
I could have made that clearer, sure, but don't makeup context to accuse a person of lying. 
I could have pre faced that clause with "he may have an all AMD PC, however I dont" but I assumed that the pre-face would have been assumed. 

I knew exactly who they were referring to. 

The 7900XTX is by far one of the best value 4k focused cards on the market today. Far better in value then the 4080 or 4090. 
Ill repeat Bagzie's question for you, 
 

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What cards priced the same as a 7900XTX offer a better 4k experience?